Re: [ubuntu-uk] What should be done for 12.04

2011-09-27 Thread Bruno Girin
On 26/09/11 13:48, Alan Pope wrote: Now we're perilously close to releasing 11.10 onto the world, it's been asked [0] what things the developers would like to see the focus on for the 12.04 (Long Term Support) release. Personally I would like all core applications to support proxy servers proper

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What should be done for 12.04

2011-09-27 Thread Avi Greenbury
Nick McAlpin wrote: > I'm sorry, but if you want stability for a Server etc, you'd be going > with RHEL, SELD or Cent OS, because they are the most stable (nowhere > near the best, especially Cent OS), but they are rock stable. > Ubuntu's market should be the end-user market of regular people, not

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What should be done for 12.04

2011-09-27 Thread Nick McAlpin
I'm sorry, but if you want stability for a Server etc, you'd be going with RHEL, SELD or Cent OS, because they are the most stable (nowhere near the best, especially Cent OS), but they are rock stable. Ubuntu's market should be the end-user market of regular people, not business. Ubuntu is meant

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What should be done for 12.04

2011-09-27 Thread gazz
Indeed, oneiric's Unity is currently taking so long to load on my Lenovo that I can make a cup of tea and do a spot of washing up in the meantime. Apps are slow to load, evolution lumbers like a mammoth. It's not terribly stable either. It was fabulous at Maverick, quick and stable - agree it'd be

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What should be done for 12.04

2011-09-27 Thread gazz
-- Paula Graham Director | Fossbox http://www.fossbox.org.uk On Mon, 2011-09-26 at 14:45 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: > On 26/09/11 13:48, Alan Pope wrote: > > > > I wondered what you lot might desire for 12.04? > 1) better focus on accessibility earlier in the cycle > 2) a more testable desktop e

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Home/Small Business Server

2011-09-27 Thread Alan Bell
On 27/09/11 12:02, Matthew Daubney wrote: First you need to define what is "required" which was the original question Stuff that makes Ubuntu server a partner specifically to Ubuntu desktop. So random web apps across all platforms that might well be used in a small business isn't really the foc

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Home/Small Business Server

2011-09-27 Thread Matthew Daubney
On 27 September 2011 11:38, Dave Morley wrote: > Matt I still think a full blown desktop is a faff.  If you're not in the > office and need to access the box forwarding x over a hotel network is > not going to be fun in any shape or form. Simple question: How many average users do you expect wo

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diaspora hash

2011-09-27 Thread Steve Fisher
I think they were too slow out of the blocks. A couple of days ago I offered my FB friends an invite, take up rate - zero. I think if Diaspora was used correctly, we could turn it into an ad hoc forum. Any test # post worked. Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diaspora hash

2011-09-27 Thread paul sutton
On 27/09/11 11:45, gazz wrote: > I just made an #ubuntu-uk Diaspora hash as there wasn't one - if you add > the hash to posts, it should make it easier for people to find each > other by searching on the hash? > > Paula > I gave up with diaspora ages ago, Paul -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com htt

[ubuntu-uk] Diaspora hash

2011-09-27 Thread gazz
I just made an #ubuntu-uk Diaspora hash as there wasn't one - if you add the hash to posts, it should make it easier for people to find each other by searching on the hash? Paula -- Paula Graham Director | Fossbox http://www.fossbox.org.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubun

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Home/Small Business Server

2011-09-27 Thread Dave Morley
On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 08:54 +0100, Matthew Daubney wrote: > On 27 September 2011 08:47, Dan Attwood wrote: > >> > >> > Well the main benefit of a web based UI is that you don't need all the > >> > desktop GUI libraries on the server, > >> > >> >Yes, because HDD space is expensive these days! > > >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What should be done for 12.04

2011-09-27 Thread paul sutton
On 26/09/11 21:39, Andres wrote: > > > - Mensaje original - > > On 26/09/11 13:48, Alan Pope wrote: > > > Now we're perilously close to releasing 11.10 onto the world, it's > > > been asked [0] what things the developers would like to see the focus > > > on for the 12.04 (Long Term Support)

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What should be done for 12.04

2011-09-27 Thread paul sutton
On 26/09/11 21:33, alan c wrote: > On 26/09/11 14:45, Alan Bell wrote: >> 5) aggressive and well funded marketing campaign > Yes yes yes please! > I agree, as I suggested put some flyers etc in the repositories so users can download them, that way everyone has access to something, if 1 person pri

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Home/Small Business Server

2011-09-27 Thread Avi Greenbury
Juan J. wrote: > Actually the fact Ubuntu has a good reputation as Desktop OS plays > against the distribution in the server arena. > > I've seen it a dozen of times, technical people discarding Ubuntu > Server and using Debian instead without providing a good reason for > that but "it's Ubuntu Se

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Home/Small Business Server

2011-09-27 Thread Matthew Daubney
2011/9/27 Juan J. : > We're obviously talking about different users here, but having desktop + > GUI tools by default in Ubuntu Server would be a no-go for the technical > userbase of Ubuntu. > Good, again, we've just ignored the target audience and decided that it's actually aimed at current tec

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Home/Small Business Server

2011-09-27 Thread Juan J.
On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 08:48 +0100, Matthew Daubney wrote: > 2011/9/27 Juan J. : > > On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 08:28 +0100, Matthew Daubney wrote: > >> [...] > >> I'd suspect the average person on the end of the phone wouldn't be too > >> scared of being talked through fixing it rather than average blok

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Home/Small Business Server

2011-09-27 Thread Matthew Daubney
On 27 September 2011 08:47, Dan Attwood wrote: >> >> > Well the main benefit of a web based UI is that you don't need all the >> > desktop GUI libraries on the server, >> >> >Yes, because HDD space is expensive these days! > >  My understanding is is not about space. Extra libraries means extra at

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Home/Small Business Server

2011-09-27 Thread Matthew Daubney
2011/9/27 Juan J. : > On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 08:28 +0100, Matthew Daubney wrote: >> [...] >> I'd suspect the average person on the end of the phone wouldn't be too >> scared of being talked through fixing it rather than average bloke on >> the end of th phone where you say "First go to the server an

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Home/Small Business Server

2011-09-27 Thread Dan Attwood
> > > > Well the main benefit of a web based UI is that you don't need all the > > desktop GUI libraries on the server, > > >Yes, because HDD space is expensive these days! My understanding is is not about space. Extra libraries means extra attack vectors, extra things to update and to go wrong.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Home/Small Business Server

2011-09-27 Thread Juan J.
On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 08:28 +0100, Matthew Daubney wrote: > [...] > I'd suspect the average person on the end of the phone wouldn't be too > scared of being talked through fixing it rather than average bloke on > the end of th phone where you say "First go to the server and go to > the console and

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Home/Small Business Server

2011-09-27 Thread Matthew Daubney
Sorry, this is turning into a big rant about web based admin and having a gui on a small office/home server, but this is something that really really pushes the "GAH" buttons for me. On 26 September 2011 22:18, Bruno Girin wrote: > > Well the main benefit of a web based UI is that you don't ne