Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Ubuntu-appstore-developers] Multiple frameworks for apps

2014-02-12 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-01-22 at 17:10 +, Colin Watson wrote: > If you have any (non-bikeshed) concerns about this, please let me know > before I get the landing ask for click 0.4.14 approved. :-) How will we get a list of all the frameworks the system supports, for apps to run on? We'll need to get the

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [PROPOSAL] No (click) apps on images by default

2014-03-12 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-03-12 at 15:37 -0300, Sergio Schvezov wrote: > - this opens the possibility of having a better set for phone and > tablet (different customizations, preinstalled apps that is). Are the apps where this actually matters currently, even packaged as clicks? It doesn't seem like they are.

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Some bugs with click store.

2014-03-13 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Thu, 2014-03-13 at 16:38 +0400, Зонов Роман wrote: > Both installed locally and fetched from the Internet. They appears in same > time. Installed apps has nothing to do with the Internet. They take separate paths in the code. It is however, possible, that something is causing blocking in the p

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing process, restoring "trunk" for development

2014-04-08 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 12:31 -0300, Renato Filho wrote: > This would cause confusion for the community it they want to > contribute to the project, since the trunk is not up-to-date they will > need to find which branch to use to start developing, otherwise they > will get a lot of conflicts as soon

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing process, restoring "trunk" for development

2014-04-08 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 15:30 +0300, Alberto Mardegan wrote: > In the last 5 minutes of the session, a solution was proposed: leaving > "trunk" for development purpose (like it was before the CI train > started) and push the landed commits into other branches, such as > "trusty". And what exactly wo

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Internationalizing scopes

2014-04-15 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2014-04-15 at 22:26 +0200, Christian Dywan wrote: > Does this imply that the recommendation for .desktop files should also > change? If scopes are slow to load with .mo files, wouldn't the same > apply to .desktop files? Or maybe the question is what is "wrong" with > scopes that they can't

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Internationalizing app metadata

2014-04-15 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2014-04-15 at 17:52 -0400, Chris Wayne wrote: > 1) Do we have a plan for the legacy deb-packaged apps we have on the > image (or do we just plan to get those as clicks ASAP?) I'm not sure what the packaging plan is there, but as far as the click scope is concerned, the .desktop is the on

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Internationalizing app metadata

2014-04-15 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 01:02 +0200, Michał Sawicz wrote: > On 15.04.2014 21:40, David Planella wrote: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/AppMetadataTranslations > > > > Please click, scopes and store folks let me know if these are correct. > > One thing missing there are static launcher quickli

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Internationalizing app metadata

2014-04-16 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 11:40 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Rodney Dawes > wrote: > >> 2) Would inline translations have any effect on the image size > >> compared to having the translations in a .mo? (More specifically for > >

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Internationalizing scopes

2014-04-16 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 07:38 +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: > It's not all that obvious really. You only pay the extra price for > mmapping the .mo file once, and as soon as your application/scope has > a single human readable string outside of the .ini file you are going > to pay it anyway. And that pri

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Internationalizing scopes

2014-04-16 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 07:29 +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: > For scopes in the Ubuntu archive I think it would be better to just > reference the translation domain in the .ini file, similar to our > .desktop files. Then they can be covered by langpacks and we wouldn't > need to update all click apps for

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Internationalizing scopes

2014-04-16 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 18:37 +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: > Rodney Dawes [2014-04-16 11:37 -0400]: > > No, instead of a simple update to the click, which can be installed from > > system settings and only take a few seconds for the user to accomplish, > > we'd have to build

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Internationalizing scopes

2014-04-16 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 19:11 +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: > Rodney Dawes [2014-04-16 13:02 -0400]: > > > This needs to be measured first. "Orders of magnitude" is certainly a > > > big exaggeration; it's an extra mmap() for a single string lookup and > > >

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Internationalizing scopes

2014-04-16 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 19:04 -0400, Kyle Nitzsche wrote: > On 04/16/2014 01:11 PM, Martin Pitt wrote: > > > > And the convenience of lang packs would only be for things where we > > > > are the upstream (and probably only things that are in the image > > > > itself, rather than updated via clicks).

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Internationalizing scopes

2014-04-17 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 09:09 -0400, Kyle Nitzsche wrote: > Just noting that our traditional deb based lang packs approach (for core > stuff) > in the context of the monolithic system image enables: > * producing stock Ubuntu devices with as wide a set of languages as is wanted > * while also allowi

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Internationalizing scopes

2014-04-17 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 10:24 -0400, Kyle Nitzsche wrote: > So to be clear, I don't really care if it is debs or not. It's just that debs > already work (except for the requirement to add translations/languages at > runtime). And we have a fully functioning set of things that enable: > * customized i

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Internationalizing scopes

2014-04-17 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 09:52 -0500, Ted Gould wrote: > On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 14:10 -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote: > > On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 19:11 +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: > > > Rodney Dawes [2014-04-16 13:02 -0400]: > > > > We're talking about one app lo

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Internationalizing scopes

2014-04-17 Thread Rodney Dawes
Those are the same language packs currently installed on the phone images as well. This is what I meant by them including too much. A very large number of the translations provided by these -base packages are totally not useful on the phone. Heck, a very large number of the translations aren't even

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Internationalizing scopes

2014-04-17 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 10:26 -0500, Ted Gould wrote: > Correct, that external tool would be a click hook that the click scope > would install. Basically similar to the hook that UAL installs today. > The architecture would be similar to how URL dispatcher does things: Well, it would be the hook, an

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Nexus 7 2013 tmobile

2014-04-20 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Sat, 2014-04-19 at 16:43 -0700, Sameer Verma wrote: > On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Sameer Verma wrote: > > I have a Nexus 7 2013 with T-Mobile's radio/SIM (it has WiFi as well). > > Is this device OK for flashing? I see that this page only has Nexus 7 > > 2013 WiFi. > > > > https://wiki.ubu

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Internationalizing scopes

2014-04-21 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Mon, 2014-04-21 at 13:27 +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: > Rodney Dawes [2014-04-17 11:41 -0400]: > > And while it will help reduce the size to do that cleanup, it doesn't > > fix the issue of how to upgrade them independently of the image itself, > > Why would we ne

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Internationalizing scopes

2014-04-21 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Mon, 2014-04-21 at 19:54 +0200, Rasmus Eneman wrote: > As a user I want to be able to buy a phone anywhere and just go to > System Settings and choose or install my language. So languepacks > needs to be supported and be installable individually. If this is by > deb or something else doesn't mat

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Internationalizing scopes

2014-04-22 Thread Rodney Dawes
can be done with Apparmor. > Technicall isues should be solved, not user experiace changed. > > On Apr 21, 2014 8:19 PM, "Rodney Dawes" > wrote: > On Mon, 2014-04-21 at 19:54 +0200, Rasmus Eneman wrote: > > As a user I want to be able to buy a phone anywhere

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Development] anti-theft

2014-04-23 Thread Rodney Dawes
The system has support for click packages which cannot be removed by the user. However, if the phone is plugged in to USB and the Android development tools are used, then the device can be wiped completely clean, from underneath the OS. There's nothing we can do about that in the OS itself right no

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Code for Google Online account?

2014-04-23 Thread Rodney Dawes
In lp:account-plugins On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 22:52 +0200, Daniel Holm wrote: > Hi all, > > I was thinking about a ownCloud online account and wanted to take a > look at the code for the Google online account plugin, but I can't > find it? > > Where is it? > > Thanks, > Daniel > -- Mailing l

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing Team 01.05.14

2014-05-03 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Fri, 2014-05-02 at 03:34 -0600, Selene Scriven wrote: > - Installing an app without a U1 account configured no longer > works. This is a regression. Tap the app, tap install, tap > "go to accounts" to configure a U1 account, and then... > nothing. Back to the app preview. H

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing Team 01.05.14

2014-05-03 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Fri, 2014-05-02 at 11:29 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > (although I can see a corner use case where you can pan apps left and > right, one app plays through the left channel, another app through the > right - it would keep my kids quiet in the back of the car when they > share a set of headphones!)

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] First Utopic Image is here !!!

2014-05-03 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Sun, 2014-05-04 at 10:36 +0800, Shuduo Sang wrote: > The 'availables' list do not show on my N4 with utopic r9. No log > found in /var/crash. This may be due to bug #1307981 [1] or just that the search was performed before network became available. You can check ~phablet/.cache/upstart/scope-re

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing Team 01.05.14

2014-05-06 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2014-05-06 at 12:03 +0100, Dave Morley wrote: > The reason I say feature request rather than bug fix is there is no > setting to change sensitivity and there is no lock function currently so > both of these features would need adding. Yes it is a bug that it is > sensitive but the bug is a

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Internationalizing app metadata

2014-05-07 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2014-04-15 at 21:40 +0200, David Planella wrote: > The situation right now is that translations come from the Store, > where there is support for editing them via a form. It should also be > soon possible for clients (e.g. the click scope) to fetch those > translations when online. I don

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] How do I fix my phone?

2014-05-12 Thread Rodney Dawes
The same partition for /home also contains /opt and several other loopback mounts for things in /etc and such to allow for writable content. Perhaps you could uninstall some apps to free up some space? On Mon, 2014-05-12 at 12:38 +0100, Sam Bull wrote: > So, for the second time now, I've run out o

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] CPU or GPU acceleration?

2014-05-12 Thread Rodney Dawes
Ubuntu is pretty fast on my Nexus 5. The sound is choppy sometimes, yes, but that has nothing to do with the video acceleration scheme. It's due to bugs that occur on a device which is not well supported yet. On Mon, 2014-05-12 at 23:47 +0400, Zonov Roman wrote: > May be it is because my phone is

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] problem with WiFi networks that use WPA encryption - mako - build #41

2014-05-21 Thread Rodney Dawes
Working fine here on my Nexus 5. On Wed, 2014-05-21 at 19:10 +0200, Sebastian Gomułka wrote: > Is it just me or maybe there is a problem on Ubuntu Touch with WiFi > networks that use WPA encryption? -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpa

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Renaming to: Ubuntu App Launch

2014-05-22 Thread Rodney Dawes
Is there a particularly good reason to not provide a symlink, or a wrapper script that issues a deprecation warning when run, for compatibility? On Thu, 2014-05-22 at 11:13 -0500, Ted Gould wrote: > Hello Folks, > > Upstart App Launch is dead, long live Ubuntu App Launch! > > We've discussed it

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Renaming to: Ubuntu App Launch

2014-05-22 Thread Rodney Dawes
wrote: > > No reason to take on tech debt if we don't have to. Certainly if a > bunch of people reply that it's an issue it's not impossible to do > that. But cruft is cruft, I'd rather be proactive on cleaning it. > > Ted > > On Thu, 2014-05-22 at

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Renaming to: Ubuntu App Launch

2014-05-22 Thread Rodney Dawes
t; package hook and the result will be removing one hook and adding > another WRT to click. In both cases the hook gets executed. > > Ted > > On Thu, 2014-05-22 at 12:49 -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote: > > Well, won't it break all existing click apps when the update is > &

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 02.06.14

2014-06-02 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 20:03 +0200, Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak wrote: > From the user point of view images #59 and #60 work normally, so no > worries. Those include the new unity8 with the greeter working now > separately of unity8. On my Nexus 5, I had to switch back to "devel" as with 59/60, the sc

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Fwd: Ubuntu touch 14.10 screen problem after install

2014-06-02 Thread Rodney Dawes
Which Nexus 7? 2012 is no longer supported (and lots of freezes were happening on the latest 14.04 images that were built for it). On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 20:51 +0200, Márton Parrag wrote: > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Márton Parrag > Date: 2014-05-31 15:57 GMT+02:00 > S

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Developers: changelog quality

2014-06-05 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 14:05 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: > As one of the persons on the landing team who is in charge to nod off > packaging changes I will from today on *NOT ACK ANY PACKAGING CHANGES* > that do not: > > a) have a descriptive enough changelog entry so that a developer not > affili

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Identifying memory issues, #2

2014-06-05 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-06-04 at 18:37 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > Here's the only output I managed to grab and paste before it froze:- > > http://paste.ubuntu.com/7588543/ Not directly related to memory, but why are all the backgrounded apps using > 6% CPU? And why is Unity8 using almost 40%? What is crashin

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Identifying memory issues, #2

2014-06-05 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 20:03 +0200, Thomas Voß wrote: > Good catch, the more important question is: Why are two apps running > in parallel? > Our lifecycle policy does not allow for that. Well, if my understanding of the policy and its implementation is correct, then they are stopped/suspend, and s

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 06.06.14

2014-06-07 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 09:23 -0700, Robert Park wrote: > Good news everyone! > > Image #71 has been promoted, and it's our greenest image yet! This > means TRAINCON-0 is over and normal landings are resumed. What project/package exactly should one file general regressions against? For example, wi

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Bad voice call quality on Nexus 4 (old modem firmware)

2014-06-10 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 11:26 -0300, Ricardo Salveti de Araujo wrote: > Unfortunately we're unable to automatically push such updates to our > users as we're not able to distribute such binaries, so that's why you > need to manually update them. Can we not do some wget/shasum magic to download the f

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Calling for Click signing

2014-06-13 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Fri, 2014-06-13 at 15:48 +0100, Ondrej Kubik wrote: > If two different apps are coming from same developer and share same > package name ( and same signature) will they share same sandbox or > will they be able to peak into each other's sandbox, at least data > wise? The only ways currently f

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Simple mass-change: Mark universe packages for langpacks, please include in your next MP

2014-06-13 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Fri, 2014-06-13 at 17:56 +0100, Iain Lane wrote: > Hi Martin, > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 03:38:58PM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: > > […] > > Due to the CI train I can't just upload these or stage these in > > lp:, but we need MPs and verification, etc. As this won't > > change anything at runtime

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Simple mass-change: Mark universe packages for langpacks, please include in your next MP

2014-06-13 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Fri, 2014-06-13 at 21:15 +0100, Iain Lane wrote: > These are one line additions to debian/control. They are rebuilds. Maybe for all the packages that isn't an issue, but for C++, it means that anything that provides a template the code uses, and which has changed since the last build, has the p

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Cellular Fail

2014-06-17 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2014-06-17 at 09:35 -0400, Tony Espy wrote: > On 06/16/2014 09:58 AM, Pat McGowan wrote: > > In my experience No signal shows up when in fact the modem is on and > > you have no connection. > > When the modem is off it does not appear, which is what needs fixing. > > There's at least one b

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 17.06.14

2014-06-17 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2014-06-17 at 19:49 +0200, Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak wrote: > Top news: image #85 promoted! There are some changes of interest in this > image, one of which is the new design of address-book-app, dialer-app > and messaging-app. This image also doesn't use the desktop translation > files anym

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Calling for Click signing

2014-06-18 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-06-18 at 14:39 +0100, John Lenton wrote: > On 18 June 2014 14:27, Ondrej Kubik wrote: > > Idea is to protect from using side load to update existing application with > > intruder's version to gain access to application private data or phone's > > resources. > > sorry for being dense,

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Hammerhead not turning screen on

2014-06-25 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 15:14 +0200, aleksandar jevtic wrote: > Having problem on latest images with hammerhead. Booted succesfully > (utopic-proposed #96) and when phone or user turns the screen off and > try to turn it back on nothig happens screen is still black. However > when phone is charging

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Background services: a problem that we need to face

2014-06-25 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2014-06-24 at 09:29 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > One problem with this approach is that users wouldn't be able to make > an informed decision. What would be the harm of saying yes? Less > battery life, but how much less? Nobody would know. This is my main problem with the current ap

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Background services: a problem that we need to face

2014-06-25 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 09:12 +0200, Thomas Voß wrote: > > IRC and messaging platforms not covered by "Online Accounts" > > Push notifications FTW, they provide an easy and straightforward way > out of the lifecycle trap. Push notifications are totally the wrong solution for IRC/IM services. At tha

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Background services: a problem that we need to face

2014-06-25 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 11:55 +0200, Rasmus Eneman wrote: > Other cases are Spotify and Grooveshark, neither which can use a > generic service. We already have one Spotify app, that only plays > when opened, which means that it is useless. This is just a bug as a result of them being webapps. Once

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Background services: a problem that we need to face

2014-06-25 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 11:21 -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > It most certainly matters. The amount of applications in the Android store > that > were created _specifically_ to generate revenue from user tracking is > staggering. Having the flashlight app only be able to do it when it is in the > f

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Background services: a problem that we need to face

2014-06-25 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 18:34 +0200, Benjamin Zeller wrote: > Am 25.06.2014 18:31, schrieb Rodney Dawes: > > On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 11:55 +0200, Rasmus Eneman wrote: > >> Other cases are Spotify and Grooveshark, neither which can use a > >> generic service. We already have

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Background services: a problem that we need to face

2014-06-25 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 13:23 -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > So I gather you have the same problem on iOS, as much of the same limitations > exist there? I don't now, nor have I ever, owned any iOS devices. Nor have I developed any apps for them. I do know that the types of apps I want to write, d

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Background services: a problem that we need to face

2014-06-25 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 15:31 -0300, Sergio Schvezov wrote: > Apps that implement these services must declare the services they support > and use system frameworks to implement the relevant aspects of those > services. This doesn't mean that Apple provides a system background process to read the d

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Background services: a problem that we need to face

2014-06-25 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 14:44 -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > On 14-06-25 02:11 PM, Rodney Dawes wrote: > > On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 13:23 -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > >> So I gather you have the same problem on iOS, as much of the same > >> limitations > >> ex

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Background services: a problem that we need to face

2014-06-25 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 13:23 -0600, Selene Scriven wrote: > I'd very much like it if we put control over this in the end > user's hands, and give them the ability to override obnoxious > decisions made by the app developers. I really don't want > Facebook running in the background, pinging the s

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Background services: a problem that we need to face

2014-06-25 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 17:10 -0300, Sergio Schvezov wrote: > On miércoles 25 de junio de 2014 16h'29:10 ART, Rodney Dawes wrote: > > On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 14:44 -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > >> On 14-06-25 02:11 PM, Rodney Dawes wrote: ... > > > > No. It mean

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Background services: a problem that we need to face

2014-06-25 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 15:39 -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > That's not how bluetooth devices work on iOS. If your app is in the > foreground, > you can get realtime events. If your app goes to the background and gets > suspended after a couple of minutes, your BT device needs to accumulate data

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Background services: a problem that we need to face

2014-06-25 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 13:40 -0700, Alex Chiang wrote: > >> > https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/iPhone/Conceptual/iPhoneOSProgrammingGuide/ManagingYourApplicationsFlow/ManagingYourApplicationsFlow.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40007072-CH4-SW20 > >> > > >> > Apps can have long-runni

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Background services: a problem that we need to face

2014-06-25 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 17:10 -0300, Sergio Schvezov wrote: > On miércoles 25 de junio de 2014 16h'29:10 ART, Rodney Dawes wrote: > > On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 14:44 -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > >> On 14-06-25 02:11 PM, Rodney Dawes wrote: ... > > > > No. It mean

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Background services: a problem that we need to face

2014-06-26 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 08:08 +0200, Thomas Voß wrote: > Hmmm, I see some problems here: I don't think a user starting a > torrent app on the phone is a strong indication of the user wanting to > waste battery life and his/her cellular data plan. I think the user > can rightly expect the system to tr

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Background services: a problem that we need to face

2014-06-26 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 16:09 +0200, Thomas Voß wrote: > I assumed that you know: > > https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1ij8RtPsR_eYMW3mys8Gu1Y2CVFZpjXdMpdIjIGZ1SCA/edit#heading=h.28drra4u9knx > > given that the document has been around for quite some time now, and > has been refer

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Background services: a problem that we need to face

2014-06-26 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 14:36 +0200, Michael Zanetti wrote: > I'd also be fine if this question only pops up if the user has qualified as > power user (e.g. a setting to enable this advanced stuff) and just decline it > automatically for non tech savvy people. This won't work. Any setting which is

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Background services: a problem that we need to face

2014-06-26 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 07:50 +0200, Thomas Voß wrote: > On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Rodney Dawes > wrote: > > On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 17:10 -0300, Sergio Schvezov wrote: > >> On miércoles 25 de junio de 2014 16h'29:10 ART, Rodney Dawes wrote: > >> > O

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Building Hammerhead Kernel

2014-06-27 Thread Rodney Dawes
Hi, I just saw these mails, but is there any reason you're trying to go about flashing this device the hard way? There are already images built for hammerhead, which you can install using an alternate server as described on the wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Server_at_http:.2BAC

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] ANNOUNCEMENT: Bileto improvements, Dashboard deprecation

2015-08-27 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Thu, 2015-08-27 at 12:15 +0200, Michael Zanetti wrote: > * I find it a little harder to find my silos in bileto, I think that's > partially because the list has less spacing than the entries in the > dashboard had, but also because bileto still shows my old, already > landed silos. I think this

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] ANNOUNCEMENT: Bileto improvements, Dashboard deprecation

2015-08-27 Thread Rodney Dawes
Hi Robert, One small thing that I think would help a lot, is to have the link to the PPA, have the "/+packages" added to the end of the URL. The main PPA page by itself is pretty much useless, and what I need is to get at the links to download the armhf .debs that were built, or to see build logs,

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] App working in background

2015-08-30 Thread Rodney Dawes
Background processing is not readily available yet, no. There are numerous discussions on how to allow background processing, bluetooth access, etc… For Spotify/Pandora/etc… they could use the media-hub interface, to get continuous playback of music streams in the background, currently. On Sun,

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] How to translate two strings

2015-08-31 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Sun, 2015-08-30 at 22:59 +0200, Krzysztof Tataradziński wrote: > Thanks, I was also thinking in that way. But the question for now is > what is 'trash info file'? > Is it a one file with some logs about all deleted files? > Maybe that 'trash info file' is created (in directory of origin > delet

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] If Gmail can, why other apps can't?

2015-09-11 Thread Rodney Dawes
The notifications don't come from the app. They come from a system service running in the background, which polls Google to notify you of new things. The app is not running in the background. On Fri, 2015-09-11 at 23:17 +0200, Krzysztof Tataradziński wrote: > Hello, > > I saw that even when I cl

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] If Gmail can, why other apps can't?

2015-09-11 Thread Rodney Dawes
No, Google doesn't provide push notifications for Ubuntu (yet anyway). It's being checked in accounts-polld. Push notifications and accounts-polld are quite different things. On Fri, 2015-09-11 at 22:35 +, Gran PC wrote: > It looks like the Gmail webapp has a server-side counterpart to it >

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] It's possible to install Skype (app, not web app) in Ubuntu Touch?

2015-09-15 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2015-09-15 at 16:35 +0200, Marco Alexander Harrendorf wrote: > I could be wrong, however, the major problem is at the moment that the > microphone, webcam and so on of the Ubuntu phone cannot be accessed by > X11 applications. > E.g. the Chromium ARM package is compiled with WebRTC support,

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Scopes not working without WiFi

2015-09-16 Thread Rodney Dawes
Hi Guillame, On Wed, 2015-09-16 at 22:02 +0200, Guillaume F wrote: > The Ubuntu Store is the biggest problem, since it means that I can't > install/uninstall anything or even view a specific app's page (to see > ratings, what's new in the latest version…) unless I'm home. I'm not sure what wou

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Scopes not working without WiFi

2015-09-17 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Thu, 2015-09-17 at 15:23 +0200, Guillaume F wrote: > In that case, should I still file a bug against unity-scope-click? I think not. This sounds like more of an issue with general network access when on cellular data, and is not limited to the scopes, or even to Ubuntu given what you said below

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Fwd: [Ubuntu-touch-coreapps] [ubuntu-system-settings] GSM codes handling broken in system-settings, dialer-app, or address-book-app

2015-09-17 Thread Rodney Dawes
Sounds like perhaps a bug in ofono, dialer-app, or perhaps url-dispatcher (if the # is there, but is getting dropped)? On Thu, 2015-09-17 at 15:27 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > Forwarding to a more appropriate list. > > Peter, probably best to bring these things up here on ubuntu-phone list. > > >

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Does Ubuntu Touch support self-hosting?

2015-09-19 Thread Rodney Dawes
Recommended way to install regular .deb packages on Ubuntu Phone? https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311 You can compile on the device, in a chroot, if you really need to. I wouldn't recommend bothering with such thin

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] API to get contact avatar?

2015-10-05 Thread Rodney Dawes
"template": "unconfined", That might work for stuff we have reasonable control over and ship by default on the images, but doesn't work in general for developers writing apps or scopes, since we can't safely allow unconfined apps and scopes into the store. On Mon, 2015-10-05 at 11:49 -0400,

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] phone total wipe

2015-10-26 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Mon, 2015-10-26 at 18:11 +, Wayne Ward wrote: > Ive done a reinstall of my phone which gives you a fresh install but > when i went to add a cron my crons still there > and i have a problem were i cant add a cron as a user have to add it as > root becuase its broke for some reason > how can

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] OTA-7 for Community Build?

2015-11-02 Thread Rodney Dawes
I don't think that image server has been updated in quite some time. It does not have channels following stable and rc-proposed, to rebuild for hammerhead. On Mon, 2015-11-02 at 10:35 -0500, Bruce Griffis wrote: > I don't see an OTA-7 yet for the community build for the Nexus 5. > Where would I l

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] OTA-7 for Community Build?

2015-11-02 Thread Rodney Dawes
The Nexus 5 is not an officially supported device. There are no official "OTA N" updates for it. As you said, the image server in question is managed by a single person, and it is provided as a convenience, not as a means of creating a level of support that appears to be official. I'm not sure wha

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Forcing to install Twitter Scope

2015-11-21 Thread Rodney Dawes
Sounds like you are hitting an existing bug[1314382] that sometimes appears and is difficult to track down. [1314382] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1314382 On Sat, 2015-11-21 at 09:30 +0100, Krzysztof Tataradziński wrote: > Hello, > After last OTA I see t

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] LTE for reference hardware?

2015-11-28 Thread Rodney Dawes
Yes, 4G/LTE works on Ubuntu. However, on the Nexus 4, you have to use a very old radio firmware to enable it, as Google disabled its usage via firmware update at one point. I use Ubuntu exclusively on my Nexus 5, and 4G works fine on it. On Sat, 2015-11-28 at 08:25 -0800, Eric Holmi wrote: > Goo

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] LTE for reference hardware?

2015-11-28 Thread Rodney Dawes
November 28, 2015, Rodney Dawes > wrote: > Yes, 4G/LTE works on Ubuntu. However, on the Nexus 4, you have > to use a > very old radio firmware to enable it, as Google disabled its > usage via > firmware update at one point. > &g

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Hdmi cable

2016-01-12 Thread Rodney Dawes
There is no X server on the phone. However, this issue is that the hardware is not enabled at the hardware level. There is no working around that in software. On Tue, 2016-01-12 at 19:45 -0500, Eric Holmi wrote: > Is there a potential work around to make the device send X server > output to both

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Hdmi cable

2016-01-12 Thread Rodney Dawes
> Ok. Now Im confused. How can there be graphics without a graphics or x > server? Besides, couldnt you use a CPU thread to bypass any hardware > limitations by routing the GPU's output through it, because the CPU > has access to everything? > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Hdmi cable

2016-01-12 Thread Rodney Dawes
me way you can't add Bluetooth LE support to a device whith doesn't have the hardware for it. On Tue, 2016-01-12 at 21:49 -0500, Eric Holmi wrote: > Ok. It just seems like there is some fancy way to do it. Maybe share > GPU ram with CPU or something? > > > On Tue, Ja

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Challenge] Ebook reader

2016-02-01 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Mon, 2016-02-01 at 15:19 -0500, Robert Schroll wrote: > > 9) It should be possible to sync the library, reading positions etc > > to a > > central source > > I purposefully architected Beru so that the reading positions and other > settings were stored in their own U1DB that could be synchron

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Challenge] Ebook reader

2016-02-01 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Mon, 2016-02-01 at 17:53 -0500, Robert Schroll wrote: > On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Rodney Dawes > wrote: > > Ubuntu One is not shut down. What was shut down was the file/music > > sync/streaming/storage/store services. U1DB is still up AFAIK, and > > Ubuntu One

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] mediaplayer-app occupies full screen

2016-02-02 Thread Rodney Dawes
The mediaplayer-app is full screen because it's the app for playing videos. If you only have audio and want it in the background, you should instead look into just using the mediahub API to play the stream. If this is a podcast, you might be able to use the Podbird app to listen to it instead. On

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] mediaplayer-app occupies full screen

2016-02-02 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2016-02-02 at 17:26 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: > On Tuesday, 2 February 2016 16:34:37 CET, Rodney Dawes wrote: > > The mediaplayer-app is full screen because it's the app for playing > > videos. If you only have audio and want it in the background, you should > &

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Shashlik running Android apps on Linux

2016-02-22 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Mon, 2016-02-22 at 13:20 -0800, Bob Summerwill wrote: > > If you want to see something amazing, check out "Android as an App" on > SailfishOS. That kind of magic should be possible for Ubuntu Phone > as well, I think. The security model of Ubuntu, and that of Android, do not mesh at all. Sa

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] bluez on ubuntu phone

2016-03-12 Thread Rodney Dawes
Hi Nick, Low level APIs like bluez are generally not part of the SDK meant to be used by applications on the phone, and higher level QML APIs are what are supported in the SDK. However, currently there is also no policy group for talking to bluez over dbus, nor any supported method of performing b

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Can't buy app via Ubuntu Store

2016-03-14 Thread Rodney Dawes
Hi, It seems there are some new issues that have appeared recently in the payment process, that may have been caused by some other changes in the phone images as of late. We are currently working on making it easier to maintain some of the components, and to catch some of these things earlier on i

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Interruptions. When?

2016-03-14 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Mon, 2016-03-14 at 13:53 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > The second part would be designing and implementing an inviting way > for > people to configure it. It’s pointless having the world’s most > sophisticated system for fine-tuning notifications if no-one uses it. We were born with that

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Difficulty Sending Messages to this List (was Re: (no subject)

2016-03-18 Thread Rodney Dawes
No, that is not the problem. Sending a message with a different e-mail address will have your message land in the moderator queue, and you will get an e-mail saying so. If it goes through and ends up in the spam folders of people subscribed to the list, then the only relation to e-mail address used

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Installing Dekko fails always

2016-03-19 Thread Rodney Dawes
Hi, Does the error happen after the progress bar reaches 100%, or does it happen immediately when starting the download? Can you check in the $HOME/.cache/ubuntu-download-manager/ director for an error log, and find the error in that log? Also, can you include the output of "system-image-cli -i"

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] ubuntu one

2016-04-01 Thread Rodney Dawes
I don't think syncing is the answer. For example, I am using 400 GB of space in my home directory on my workstation. That's more than 10 times the total amount of space my phone has. It would obviously be impossible to sync it. What I want is not syncing. It is access and caching of certain more i

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