Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Ubuntu-touch-coreapps] [RSS - Reader] Performance issue in QtQuick.LocalStorage 2.0

2013-06-13 Thread Martin Kaistra
Hey, Am 13.06.2013 05:34, schrieb Joey Chan: > > Hi Geeks, > > I'm a developer of RSS reader, I found a performance issue in qml > database, which blocks the main thread for seconds. > > /*issue description:*/ > > dbResult = tx.executeSql('INSERT INTO article (title, link, > description, pubdate,

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Ubuntu-touch-coreapps] [RSS - Reader] Performance issue in QtQuick.LocalStorage 2.0

2013-06-13 Thread Christian Dywan
> I'm a developer of RSS reader, I found a performance issue > in qml database, which blocks the main thread for seconds. > […] > 3. U1DB. I haven't tried it, is it stable now? Hejsan Joey, I'm a developer on U1DB QML bindings and would love to help with any questions if you decide to give it a t

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Ubuntu-touch-coreapps] [RSS - Reader] Performance issue in QtQuick.LocalStorage 2.0

2013-06-13 Thread mrqtros
Hi all! Good need, Christian! I am in RSS Reader team too, and we will need u1 for sync across devices or something like that, even if we will find another solution for performance issue. 13.06.13 14:58 Christian Dywan написал(а): > I'm a developer of RSS reader, I found a performance issue >

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Ubuntu-touch-coreapps] [RSS - Reader] Performance issue in QtQuick.LocalStorage 2.0

2013-06-13 Thread Michael Zanetti
Hi, At the risk that some people don't like to hear this, I would highly recommend to write the actual feed fetching and database storing part in C++/Qt and only expose a well defined model containing the RSS feeds to QML. Maybe one model per feed source or something like that. Writing all tha

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Ubuntu-touch-coreapps] [RSS - Reader] Performance issue in QtQuick.LocalStorage 2.0

2013-06-13 Thread Christian Dywan
For what it's worth U1Db is 99% declarative API and documents as well as queries use JSON syntax. Except for the scripting you need to add or delete items. I can't speak for the best way to parse RSS or ATOM but as my rule of thumb I would hesitate to recommend C++ first thing for a new application

[Ubuntu-phone] Making Ubuntu Phone from Android sources

2013-06-13 Thread Николай Шатохин
Hello. Where can I see how to patch and build android sources to get Ubuntu for my phone? Is it possible to build Ubuntu Phone from MeeGo Harmathan (it is a Debian, am I right?) or Nemo or Debian? -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net

[Ubuntu-phone] [Development] Raring builds for the intl. Galaxy S3 (i9300)

2013-06-13 Thread Androguide
Hi, I've ported Ubuntu Touch to the international Samsung Galaxy S3 (i9300) over the past few days, and now that I've fixed the main bugs I'd like to get the builds added to . Here's a little resumé of what currently works & what doesn't, as well as links to

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Development] Raring builds for the intl. Galaxy S3 (i9300)

2013-06-13 Thread John Nelson
It's a wiki; if you have a launchpad account, you can create the entry yourself. On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Androguide wrote: > ** > Hi, > I've ported Ubuntu Touch to the international Samsung Galaxy S3 (i9300) > over the past few days, and now that I've fixed the main bugs I'd like to

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Ubuntu-touch-coreapps] [RSS - Reader] Performance issue in QtQuick.LocalStorage 2.0

2013-06-13 Thread mrqtros
Michael, it seems like you kidding me. Or us. I am like C++ and from the first day of my work in RSS team I always speak about xml parsing in C++, models and so on. But answer always was "you must use qml where it's possible". And what now?! A lot of code already written with xmllistmodel and ex

[Ubuntu-phone] Left handed usage

2013-06-13 Thread Zisu Andrei
Hey guys, This issue was raised on the omgubuntu article about the latest preview. I haven't seen this tackled by the design team. What is the plan for left handed usage? The current design is pretty much right hand oriented. Zisu Andrei -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Pos

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Left handed usage

2013-06-13 Thread Josh Leverette
I'm not left handed, but as gestures are coming equally from all sides of the display I don't think there is any special inconvenience for left handed people versus right handed people. A quick test shows I don't seem to have any trouble controlling the regions of the screen that Ubuntu touch uses,

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Left handed usage

2013-06-13 Thread Zisu Andrei
I think the launcher is going to be a bit difficult to reach with your thumb. Zisu Andrei On 13 June 2013 15:15, Josh Leverette wrote: > I'm not left handed, but as gestures are coming equally from all sides of > the display I don't think there is any special inconvenience for left > handed pe

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Left handed usage

2013-06-13 Thread Josh Leverette
>From my limited testing, it looks like the left handed people of the world will actually have it easier than the rest of us, as far as the launcher is concerned. It sounds to me like this is yet another excuse people are providing for Canonical to allow the launcher to be moved around on the scree

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Left handed usage

2013-06-13 Thread Rasmus Eneman
Personaly I think it's equally simple with both ands and I'm right handed however for the phone I can use any hand whithout problem On Jun 13, 2013 4:27 PM, "Zisu Andrei" wrote: > I think the launcher is going to be a bit difficult to reach with your > thumb. > > Zisu Andrei > > > On 13 June 2013

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Left handed usage

2013-06-13 Thread Andy Whitcroft
I am left handed and it doesn't feel particularly hard to use left handed. There are difficulties such as the launcher being hard to reliably pull onto the screen, and buttons in the corners of web pages triggering the edge detection with my fat fingers, but they are not related to which thumb i am

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Left handed usage

2013-06-13 Thread Zisu Andrei
> > It sounds to me like this is yet another excuse people are providing for > Canonical to allow the launcher to be moved around on the screen to > different locations Please stop implying and assuming things. Are you sure you are talking about one-handed thumb usage? Moving my thumb over the e

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Ubuntu-touch-coreapps] [RSS - Reader] Performance issue in QtQuick.LocalStorage 2.0

2013-06-13 Thread Michael Zanetti
No, I'm not kidding... I always told everyone that I would suggest writing application logic in Qt/C++ as plugins (which is what the makers of Qt intended it for) and keep QML to paint the stuff. I'm sorry to hear that someone told you to do everything in QML. Note that I don't have much saying

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Left handed usage

2013-06-13 Thread Gustav Bylund
I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to move the launcher around, I shouldn't even need to provide an excuse. Maybe I just like it better on the right side? On 13 Jun 2013 16:38, "Zisu Andrei" wrote: > It sounds to me like this is yet another excuse people are providing for >> Canonical to allo

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Left handed usage

2013-06-13 Thread Josh Leverette
If there is not an issue with left handed usage, then it is an excuse. It is not an assumption or implication. Based on other responses to this thread, I do not seem to be alone in finding left handed usage to be no more difficult than right handed usage. Right handed usage has its own problems. I

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Left handed usage

2013-06-13 Thread Josh Leverette
I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to move it to a different side, I'm just saying if that's what you want, then present it that way without excuse or false pretense, and if that's what you want, it should be in a thread of its own. I personally feel like it would be easy to implement now that

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Left handed usage

2013-06-13 Thread Simon
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Left handed usage

2013-06-13 Thread Josh Leverette
My thoughts. Pros: - Would imply a level of customization rarely present in other mobile OSes - Could be used as a framework for allowing other forms of customization in the Settings app - Allows a person to use it how they feel is most comfortable - Probably good for community

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Left handed usage

2013-06-13 Thread Dave Morley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/06/13 15:47, Josh Leverette wrote: > If there is not an issue with left handed usage, then it is an > excuse. It is not an assumption or implication. Based on other > responses to this thread, I do not seem to be alone in finding left > handed us

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Development] Raring builds for the intl. Galaxy S3 (i9300)

2013-06-13 Thread Androguide
You're right, I've now added the page. Sorry for bothering guys. > Le 13 juin 2013 à 15:50, John Nelson a écrit : > > It's a wiki; if you have a launchpad account, you can create the entry > yourself. > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Androguide > wrote: >

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Left handed usage

2013-06-13 Thread Zisu Andrei
> > Obviously I'm in favor of this option being available to users, I just > don't want it done under the pretense that the current design is > ineffective for left handed users, when there seems to be little evidence > of this. Nah, I was literally talking about left handed users and nothing else

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Left handed usage

2013-06-13 Thread Josh Leverette
I will note that the first email you quoted said that the issue he was referring to did not depend on which thumb was being used. It was just an issue with the current implementation. For the second one, I'm still not sure why swiping from the right to the left requires changing angle twice to com

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Left handed usage

2013-06-13 Thread Dave Morley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/06/13 16:32, Josh Leverette wrote: > I will note that the first email you quoted said that the issue he > was referring to did not depend on which thumb was being used. It > was just an issue with the current implementation. > > For the second o

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design] Page stack back gesture

2013-06-13 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott May wrote on 12/06/13 12:33: > > Yeah I'm a "me too" on the concern that the "back" button is too > hidden given it's frequent use. Perhaps we won't need "back" so > much in this new environment? The System Settings design uses deep page stac

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design] Page stack back gesture

2013-06-13 Thread Lou Greenwood
> A gesture might be more efficient than revealing the toolbar then > tapping Back. But I doubt it would be more discoverable. > My suggestion would be just to show the toolbar by default on all page stack pages aside from the 1st page in the stack. The way I see it is all those pages beyond

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Ubuntu-touch-coreapps] [RSS - Reader] Performance issue in QtQuick.LocalStorage 2.0

2013-06-13 Thread Guenter Schwann
Hi, Michael is not the only one who recommends to write the business logic in Qt/C++ and only the UI in QML. It seems some people here got super excited by QML. And don't see anymore when it stops being a good solution. But what should I say... ... been there - done that - learned my lesson ;) C

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [RSS - Reader] Performance issue in QtQuick.LocalStorage 2.0

2013-06-13 Thread David Planella
Al 13/06/13 16:03, En/na mrqt...@gmail.com ha escrit: > Michael, it seems like you kidding me. Or us. I am like C++ and from the > first day of my work in RSS team I always speak about xml parsing in > C++, models and so on. But answer always was "you must use qml where > it's possible". And what n

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design] Page stack back gesture

2013-06-13 Thread Omar B .
Some apps don't have a problem with users going "back". For example the *Friends* app shows both its Breadcrumbs and the bottom toolbar by default: http://youtu.be/Q566IGyVB0o?t=8m36s Apps should probably decide if they want to show these toolbars by default (or when one goes deeper in the stack

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design] Page stack back gesture

2013-06-13 Thread Lou Greenwood
My personal opinion is that it's possible to find a solution which works for all situations, rather than creating fragmentation in the UI by letting individual dev's make too many choices. > 1. Use the developer’s toolkit > > Here is our handy developer’s toolkit which contains all the essent

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design] Page stack back gesture

2013-06-13 Thread Alberto Mardegan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/13/2013 07:02 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Discoverability of "Back" is my biggest concern with System > Settings right now. In a couple of cases I've specified that the > toolbar should be visible all the time: for example, the screen for >

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design] Page stack back gesture

2013-06-13 Thread Daniel Clem
Non-dev comment: Revealing controls on scroll up would work if you want it to be same for all apps, as not all apps scroll. Such as the FTP server app I use for my Droid. Or video games that need a.menu for settings and saving games, but no scrolling at all. My personal opinion is this menu

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design] Page stack back gesture

2013-06-13 Thread Josh Leverette
Long swipe up reveals the HUD, as far as I know. Sincerely, Josh On Jun 13, 2013 4:34 PM, "Daniel Clem" wrote: > Non-dev comment: > Revealing controls on scroll up would work if you want it to be same for > all apps, as not all apps scroll. Such as the FTP server app I use for my > Droid. Or vid

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design] Page stack back gesture

2013-06-13 Thread Lou Greenwood
Excuse me if I'm misunderstadning you, but an FTP app wouldn't require a back button as it isn't a page stack, same goes for (most) games, they use custom UI's (think Angry Birds etc). http://design.ubuntu.com/apps/global-patterns/navigation From what I understand, Back is used in a very specif

[Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Touch: Can't change keyboard input language

2013-06-13 Thread Morten Meisdalen
I've tried to change keyboard input language. I'm Norwegian and missing the letters Æ Ø Å. Followed the method in release notes, but when i try to save after edit the OSK i get error: ".config/maliit.org./server.conf" E212: Can't open file for writing" I also get error when apt-get upgrade: perl:

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design] Page stack back gesture

2013-06-13 Thread Daniel Clem
First sorry if i misunderstand somethings as i'm not a dev, but wish to give my feedback and opinions as best i can. I looked at the wiki just now, so now I understand the difference of the intended flat UI vs page stack UI. So perhaps Ubuntu Touch apps will be developed differently than Androi

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design] Page stack back gesture

2013-06-13 Thread Josh Leverette
I'm not going to comment on everything in your post, but watch the first 20 seconds of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx2nMaBOHek Notice how the settings are not on a different level in the page stack? They're in a separate tab. The back button is not used here. This is how many of the