Am 08.06.2009 um 08:37 schrieb Stephan Hermann:
> Mono gives us a good way into the MS front...this could also be a
> point
> of view.
It's interesting to see how some people accuse Mono to be Microsofts
inroad into the open source world and others see the inroad of open
source into the Mi
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Stephan Hermann wrote:
> Good Morning,
>
> On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 18:36:29 -0400
> Mark Fink wrote:
>
>> [...removed totally annoying article...]
>
> As I'm not a MONO Fanboy myself...and sometimes boycott novell does
> write good articles...but please...
>
> Mono gives
as benfrank said yesterday on boycottnovell:
"The solution seems obvious and easy: don’t make Mono or Mono apps
part of the default install. Leave them in the repos for the users who
want them. Easy as falling over. Not wanting to even discuss such a
simple solution makes it credible that Ubuntu i
Hi,
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 07:49:32 -0400
Mark Fink wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Stephan Hermann
> wrote:
> > Good Morning,
> >
> > On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 18:36:29 -0400
> > Mark Fink wrote:
> >
> >> [...removed totally annoying article...]
> >
> > As I'm not a MONO Fanboy myself...and som
Bug 105685 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/105685)
was recently rejected again, on the grounds that "it's not a bug",
despite apparent consensus (from my and another's admittedly biased
perspective) that it is. See previous thread:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.de
> I see you are shooting the messenger, steve.
Heck, I only wish his aim were better.
I'm seeing only one "troll" here, Mark, and I've seen him before, singing
approximately the same song. It hasn't got a beat, and I can't dance to it.
Your "message" is, frankly, inane, and the terms in which y
Hi All,
Just a reminder, the plumbers conference (Portland, OR, USA) CFP closes
on 15 June 2009:
http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/2009/04/lpc-2009-call-for-proposals/
One of the tracks we thought we'd try this year is inter distribution
co-operation, so we're looking for any topics you think mi
> you sound like a typical M$ appologist. do you sleep well at night?
> hope they are paying you well.
Clearly Mark doesn't understand the meaning of the phrase "personal attack"...
Physician, heal thyself.
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On Jun 8, 2009, at 11:02, "Null Ack" wrote:
>
> I'm fully prepared to listen to well constructed rational arguments to
> the contrary.
Based strictly on past experience, I'm not expecting to see them
coming from Mark, I'm afraid. If you want to listen to abuse,
propaganda, and unsupported acc
> Oh well...in the 80ties/90ties when Java was invented and was used by
> more people then Turbo Pascal in no time, I said the same...It was
> closed source, and had too much of Sun in it..
>
KDE/Qt we should start a wall of fame =D
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With best regards
Dmitrijs Ledkovs (for short Dima),
Personally, as a programmer, I welcome MONO into the Linux fold. Here's my 2
cents' worth (and they are good old ZA cents, so really not worth all that
much...).
When I first tried Linux some years ago, it was Debian, the glorious giant
upon whose shoulders we Ubuntu users stand. I came from a win
On Monday 08 June 2009 7:54:19 am Mark Fink wrote:
> as benfrank said yesterday on boycottnovell:
>
> "The solution seems obvious and easy: don’t make Mono or Mono apps
> part of the default install. Leave them in the repos for the users who
> want them. Easy as falling over. Not wanting to even d
On Monday 08 June 2009 7:49:32 am Mark Fink wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Stephan Hermann wrote:
> > anyways...MONO is a technology and this technology belongs into Ubuntu
> > or any other linux distribution. It helps people get rid of Windows in
> > the first place.
>
> no it doesn't,
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> Instead of whinging, why don't you write BETTER replacements for those
> applications in C, if it bothers you so much? Whinging is simply not
> constructive.
It'd probably be better to write them in Java. That would force Mono
out. (you ca
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Monday 08 June 2009 7:49:32 am Mark Fink wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Stephan Hermann wrote:
>> > anyways...MONO is a technology and this technology belongs into Ubuntu
>> > or any other linux distribution. It helps people ge
This guy is trolling you hard. REALLY hard.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Remco wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
>> On Monday 08 June 2009 7:49:32 am Mark Fink wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Stephan Hermann wrote:
>>> > anyways...MONO is a technology a
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Monday 08 June 2009 7:54:19 am Mark Fink wrote:
>> as benfrank said yesterday on boycottnovell:
>>
>> "The solution seems obvious and easy: don’t make Mono or Mono apps
>> part of the default install. Leave them in the repos for the users
Il giorno dom, 07/06/2009 alle 19.06 -0400, Mark Fink ha scritto:
>
> > Ashamed...for choosing to include good software that works well?
>
> MONO is a poor imitation of java, so why use MONO!?
I don't understand your concern. Mono is free software, so are all the
mentioned programs, so is ubuntu
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Luke L wrote:
> This guy is trolling you hard. REALLY hard.
Who is trolling me? I think Mark Fink can use some communication
skills, but he has a certain point somewhere deep down. Wine and Mono
are great interoperability efforts, but if Ubuntu is going to be using
Il giorno dom, 07/06/2009 alle 20.26 -0400, Mark Fink ha scritto:
>
>
>
> you sound like a typical M$ appologist. do you sleep well at night?
> hope they are paying you well.
>
You are on an ubuntu list and are sounding like a typical troll. Stop
it. You are not likely to find microsoft servan
On Monday 08 June 2009 9:39:31 am Mark Fink wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> > Instead of whinging, why don't you write BETTER replacements for those
> > applications in C, if it bothers you so much? Whinging is simply not
> > constructive.
>
> people already hav
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Remco wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Luke L wrote:
>> This guy is trolling you hard. REALLY hard.
>
> Who is trolling me? I think Mark Fink can use some communication
> skills, but he has a certain point somewhere deep down. Wine and Mono
> are great intero
On Monday 08 June 2009 10:00:27 am Mark Fink wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Remco wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Luke L wrote:
> >> This guy is trolling you hard. REALLY hard.
> >
> > Who is trolling me? I think Mark Fink can use some communication
> > skills, but he has a cer
Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> Jo is a nice fellow, met him at UDS. Didn't seem very much to be
> infiltrating...more like sitting around being cheerful and chatting with
> whatever folks sat down.
Oh sure. That's what he _wants_ you to think
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Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Monday 08 June 2009 7:49:32 am Mark Fink wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Stephan Hermann wrote:
>> > anyways...MONO is a technology and this technology belongs into Ubuntu
>> > or any other linux distribution. It helps people get rid of Windows in
>> > the fi
On Monday 08 June 2009 9:14:04 am Derek Broughton wrote:
> Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> > * The DNC is the one I can remember by name, but at least 2 or 3 large
> > events
> > have had Silverlight/Moonlight-only streaming. Er...wait, was the
> > Olympics
> > one of them? I think so...
>
> My recoll
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> Perhaps I misunderstand why the term "application framework" is any better
> than a pile of libraries and languages that work together, but I think it'd be
> extremely difficult for Microsoft to try to argue that .NET is older than
> GTK+,
On Monday 08 June 2009 10:30:12 am Remco wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> > Perhaps I misunderstand why the term "application framework" is any better
> > than a pile of libraries and languages that work together, but I think
it'd be
> > extremely difficult for Mi
On Sun, 2009-06-07 at 18:36 -0400, Mark Fink wrote:
> I hope you get rid of MONO. only then can your reputations be restored.
>
From my point of view, I don't see any reason why we should restrict
software developers from programming in a language or environment in
which they feel comfortable.
U
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> And in using Flash, we're Adobe technology users (even if, like I do, you use
> swfdec instead of Adobe's plugin). Sometimes pragmatism is needed to gain
> enough users for the critical mass that would let us push back.
That's different. F
On Monday 08 June 2009 10:55:32 am Remco wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> > And in using Flash, we're Adobe technology users (even if, like I do, you
use
> > swfdec instead of Adobe's plugin). Sometimes pragmatism is needed to gain
> > enough users for the critic
I've crossposted this first mail of the cycle to the ubuntu-devel and
ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing lists. If you're interested in Boot
Performance work in Ubuntu, you may want to subscribe to the ubuntu-boot
mailing list since that's where I and others working on this will send
future mails.
For
This is clearly a "not invented here" syndrome. please read wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here
I'm a software engineer, I personally tried both java and .net (I
don't like python very much because it's easy to get things out of
control)
I don't care where a technology is crea
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> IIRC, is:
> 1) only in HTML5, not XHTML
Which is irrelevant. Nobody uses XHTML. The kind of fake XHTML that
some web designers use can use without problem.
> 2) no longer requiring OGG Theora
>
> #2 just gets us right back to the old pro
Hi Scott:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:07, Scott James Remnant wrote:
>
> [0] sharp-eyed readers will know this has just been end-of-lifed; we
>have yet to decide whether to change the platform as a result - a
>possibility is to use the Dell Mini 10v which should give
>near-identical res
hi,
I would like to see a recent maxima/wxmaxima version to be added to a (still
open) repo
the latest maxima version is 5.17: http://maxima.sourceforge.net/
the latest in ANY of the repos is 5.13
http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=maxima
the Debian package of 5.17 installs and runs fine:
On Monday 08 June 2009 11:35:15 am Remco wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> > IIRC, is:
> > 1) only in HTML5, not XHTML
>
> Which is irrelevant. Nobody uses XHTML. The kind of fake XHTML that
> some web designers use can use without problem.
XHTML 1.0 Strict can
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
>> That was awesome. Why haven't I seen the functionality used before?
>> Install directions with repositories involved look completely hostile
>> right now, but this resolves the issue perfectly.
>
> The functionality of saving the apt sour
Remco wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
>> Perhaps I misunderstand why the term "application framework" is any
>> better than a pile of libraries and languages that work together, but I
>> think it'd be extremely difficult for Microsoft to try to argue that .NET
>> i
Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
> This is clearly a "not invented here" syndrome. please read wikipedia
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here
>
> I'm a software engineer, I personally tried both java and .net (I
> don't like python very much because it's easy to get things out of
> control)
> I
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Remco wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
>>> Perhaps I misunderstand why the term "application framework" is any
>>> better than a pile of libraries and languages that work together, but I
>>> think it'd be ex
Someone from Access chimed in on this one, glad he's getting paid to dick
around like this.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Remco wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Derek Broughton
> wrote:
> > Remco wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morgan
> wrote:
> >>> Perhaps I
well _sir_, I just cant help _but_ notice _that_ you are all_acting
douchebags--_and_ I thought _I_ might _make_ that obser_vation_.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:22 PM, David Schlesinger <
david.schlesin...@access-company.com> wrote:
> > Someone from Access chimed in on this one, glad he's getting p
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David
Schlesinger wrote:
> As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You were
> completely mistaken about it, rendering your argument meaningless. The
> appropriate response at that point is to say, "I was wrong", not to try to
> switch to a
Hi Jan, et al,
Re: Use of /usr/share
- Is there a registry for names under /usr/share?
I would prefer having a known space that does
not conflict with others. (e.g. /usr/share/fwslc).
- Is it "ok" to have symlinks in the local instance
directory structure to said /usr/share area.
NOTE:
Remco wrote:
> Wine is not in the default install, like the codecs,
> so it is *not* included in Ubuntu.
To equate "not included in Ubuntu" with "not in the default install" is
twisting semantics to suit your purpose.
Ubuntu universe is still part of Ubuntu. If you mean "Ubuntu main", or
"Ubuntu
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Max Bowsher wrote:
> Remco wrote:
>> Wine is not in the default install, like the codecs,
>> so it is *not* included in Ubuntu.
>
> To equate "not included in Ubuntu" with "not in the default install" is
> twisting semantics to suit your purpose.
>
> Ubuntu universe
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Markus Hitter wrote:
>
> Am 08.06.2009 um 08:37 schrieb Stephan Hermann:
>
>> Mono gives us a good way into the MS front...this could also be a
>> point
>> of view.
>
> It's interesting to see how some people accuse Mono to be Microsofts
> inroad into the open source
Remco wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Derek Broughton
> wrote:
>> Remco wrote:
>>
>>> We're still being a Microsoft technology user, which is what Mark
>>> Shuttleworth didn't want, and is the reason why Wine is not included
>>> in Ubuntu.
>>
>> It's not? When did that happen?
>>
>> $ ap
Remco wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David
> Schlesinger wrote:
>> As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You
>> were completely mistaken about it, rendering your argument meaningless.
>> The appropriate response at that point is to say, "I was wrong", not to
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Remco wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David
>> Schlesinger wrote:
>>> As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You
>>> were completely mistaken about it, rendering your argument meaningless.
>>> The appro
Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
>
>
>
>> Oh well...in the 80ties/90ties when Java was invented and was used by
>> more people then Turbo Pascal in no time, I said the same...It was
>> closed source, and had too much of Sun in it..
>>
>>
>
> KDE/Qt we should start a wall of fame =D
>
>
Proba
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:17 AM, David
Schlesinger wrote:
>> Basically, it just needs the same love as Mono.
>
> One thing I think I can state with certainty about free and open source
> software development is that demanding that a bunch of other folks drop what
> they're doing and "give love" to s
Remco wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Derek Broughton
> wrote:
>> Remco wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David
>>> Schlesinger wrote:
As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You
were completely mistaken about it, rendering your argument me
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Remco wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Derek Broughton
>> wrote:
>>> Remco wrote:
>>>
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David
Schlesinger wrote:
> As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You
>
I sorry, just wanted to be a part of the lols
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Remco wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Derek Broughton
> wrote:
> > Remco wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Derek Broughton
> >> wrote:
> >>> Remco wrote:
> >>>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52
As a reader of this list I have to confess that the tone of the emails
being sent appear to have degenerated into name calling and I have to
confess that I'm not particularly interested to spend my voluntary spare
time reading messages between people abusing one another.
Perhaps I'm naive in think
2009/6/9 Derek Broughton
>
>
> Sorry, but no. You are pretending to have a rational discussion, while
> dismissing perfectly valid arguments.
>
> > The codecs are
> > not-in-Ubuntu the same way as Wine, because they are not installed,
>
> No, they are not. The codecs are NOT in Ubuntu at all. S
> Perhaps I'm naive in thinking that a technical argument can be had in a
> civilised tone.
>
>
Ah, but you see...these are NOT technical arguments.
These are about 'standards'. Can there really be a technical argument
between using say the metric system versus the foot/yard or the ounce/p
Christopher Chan wrote:
> These are about 'standards'. Can there really be a technical argument
> between using say the metric system versus the foot/yard or the ounce/pound?
Yes:
1) state your technical requirements
2) state the relevant properties of each standard
3) argue about which properti
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