Le mercredi 20 août 2008 à 01:37 -0400, Adam Petaccia a écrit :
> On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 11:12 +0200, Guillaume Desmottes wrote:
> > Le lundi 18 août 2008 à 11:05 -0500, Mario Limonciello a écrit :
> > > Something else that I haven't seen brought up yet is a migration path
> > > to empathy. I've se
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 06:43:16AM +0800, Onno Benschop wrote:
> If you recall the google research about hard drive failures you will
> have remembered that SMART is no indication of impending failure.
And if you recall the very same research, you will have remembered that
SMART *does* indicate of
On 20/08/08 16:40, Soren Hansen wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 06:43:16AM +0800, Onno Benschop wrote:
>
>> If you recall the google research about hard drive failures you will
>> have remembered that SMART is no indication of impending failure.
>>
>
> And if you recall the very same resea
Evening Devs,
Tonight I was doing some of my test suite and I had the
tracker-preferences crash unexpectedly doing routine workflow with
viewing (not changing) preferences. Apport came through and I ended up
at an invalid existing bug from 2007 because the user had not
submitted debugging symbols.
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 05:05:25PM +0800, Onno Benschop wrote:
>>> If you recall the google research about hard drive failures you will
>>> have remembered that SMART is no indication of impending failure.
>> And if you recall the very same research, you will have remembered
>> that SMART *does* in
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 07:31:48PM +0100, Sam Tygier wrote:
> It appears that the kernel now requires the 'cmov' instruction. If i
> understand right this is a i686 instruction.
It's an optional i686 instruction. CPUs are allowed to claim i686
support without implementing it. Unfortunately, it'
Hello,
>>From: "(``-_-´´) -- Fernando" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: problem bootin inetboot
>>
>>On Thursday 07 August 2008 04:46:14 Kuniyasu Suzaki wrote:
>>> I tried the ISO file with InetBoot and found the problem.
>>> The style of config files (/isolinux/*.cfg) are changed.
>>> I
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:42:31 +1000 "Null Ack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Evening Devs,
>
>Tonight I was doing some of my test suite and I had the
>tracker-preferences crash unexpectedly doing routine workflow with
>viewing (not changing) preferences. Apport came through and I ended up
>at an inval
Scott,
I'm trying to avoid the wheres and wherefores of what gem is about.
Suffice to say that Rails depends upon effective gem support, such
that the configuration of Rails can specify gem dependencies directly.
So if Ubuntu wants Rails, it has to have Gem that works. Therefore I
saw my task as
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 02:07:46PM +0100, Neil Wilson wrote:
> Scott,
>
> I'm trying to avoid the wheres and wherefores of what gem is about.
> Suffice to say that Rails depends upon effective gem support, such
> that the configuration of Rails can specify gem dependencies directly.
>
> So if Ubu
Am 20.08.2008 um 13:39 schrieb Scott Kitterman:
> Modulo stupid sysadmin tricks that can put a system in an
> unsupportable
> state, crashes are always bugs and should not be casually thrown away.
Isn't this a discussion coming up every 6 months or so? From the last
time I believe to remembe
On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 16:06 +0200, Markus Hitter wrote:
> please stop this marking-as-invalid-mania.
+1. It's a bad idea to hide problems, even ones that cannot be
replicated.
On the other hand I do think it's worthwhile to somehow mark bugs which
are not sufficiently documented as to be reprodu
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Paul Smith wrote on 20/08/08 15:20:
>...
> On the other hand I do think it's worthwhile to somehow mark bugs which
> are not sufficiently documented as to be reproducible/fixable.
>...
> So, if there is no suitable bug state existing already we need a
On Wednesday 20 August 2008 10:31, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> Paul Smith wrote on 20/08/08 15:20:
> >...
> > On the other hand I do think it's worthwhile to somehow mark bugs which
> > are not sufficiently documented as to be reproducible/fixable.
> >...
> > So, if there is no suitable bug state
Am 20.08.2008 um 11:42 schrieb Null Ack:
> I'm not convinced that the strategy of asking users to install
> specialised debugging packages is the right way to go. I see a very
> low hit rate with this working in practice.
How about getting this even more automated? Apport would have three
butt
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Scott Kitterman wrote on 20/08/08 15:34:
>
> On Wednesday 20 August 2008 10:31, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
>...
>>> So, if there is no suitable bug state existing already we need a new
>>> state for these kinds of bugs. We can call it "watching", or
On Wednesday 20 August 2008 11:00, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> Scott Kitterman wrote on 20/08/08 15:34:
> > On Wednesday 20 August 2008 10:31, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> >...
> >
> >>> So, if there is no suitable bug state existing already we need a new
> >>> state for these kinds of bugs. We c
Scott Kitterman wrote:
> By marking incomplete backtrace crash bugs invalid we lose information both
> about circumstances of crashes and frequency. A bug with 50 dupes and one
> good backtrace is different than one with no dupes. Reading the dictionary
> definition of 'invalid', I don't think it
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 07:39:40AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:42:31 +1000 "Null Ack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Evening Devs,
> >
> >Tonight I was doing some of my test suite and I had the
> >tracker-preferences crash unexpectedly doing routine workflow with
> >viewin
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 04:42:42PM +0200, Markus Hitter wrote:
>
> Am 20.08.2008 um 11:42 schrieb Null Ack:
>
> > I'm not convinced that the strategy of asking users to install
> > specialised debugging packages is the right way to go. I see a very
> > low hit rate with this working in practice.
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 04:06:56PM +0200, Markus Hitter wrote:
>
> So yes, please stop this marking-as-invalid-mania.
>
I think the real problem here is that we open new bugs for every crash
in the first place. Having a separate crash database from where
developers can pick individual crashes (t
Hello,
Feature Freeze is scheduled for Intrepid in eight days, and several
configuration issues relating to PulseAudio have not yet been addressed. I
feel it is very important to encourage some discussion and collaboration
towards fixing these issues (or at least a discussion as to why we won't fi
2008/8/20 Conn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hello,
>
> Feature Freeze is scheduled for Intrepid in eight days, and several
> configuration issues relating to PulseAudio have not yet been addressed. I
> feel it is very important to encourage some discussion and collaboration
> towards fixing these issues
2008/8/20 Alexander Sack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> But there are also many crash reports where the retracers fail and we
> dont have any testcase. You want those to stay open as well?
But what do we do with these then? They are still bugs, and with some
crashes we never seem to get a backtrace with
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Caroline Ford
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/8/20 Conn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Feature Freeze is scheduled for Intrepid in eight days, and several
>> configuration issues relating to PulseAudio have not yet been addressed. I
>> feel it is very import
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 06:42:01PM +0100, Caroline Ford wrote:
> 2008/8/20 Alexander Sack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > But there are also many crash reports where the retracers fail and we
> > dont have any testcase. You want those to stay open as well?
>
> But what do we do with these then? They a
2008/8/20 Conn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Caroline Ford
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Flash and audacity? It sounds like anything people are likely to be
>> using is broken.
>>
>> I think it's actually better to ship without pulse audio than to break
>> people's so
On mar, 2008-08-19 at 23:12 +0200, Duncan Lithgow wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 11:33 -0400, Bryan Quigley wrote:
>
> > It appears to me that Empathy could eventually replace both Pidgin and
> > Ekiga. I don't currently use Ekiga, but can anyone tell me how close
> > Empathy is to being comparab
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Caroline Ford <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Flash and audacity? It sounds like anything people are likely to be
> using is broken.
>
> I think it's actually better to ship without pulse audio than to break
> people's sound like this. My hardy audio only started wor
Daniel T Chen says (after I poked him and forwarded him the original
email, since he's extremely behind on list mails):
Feel free to forward my thoughts to u-d-d.
I've been away from development for a bit, so I'll chime in here.
WRT 198453, the only piece holding back Kubuntu and Xubuntu is a
mis
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Mackenzie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Working PCM-multi-out (aka "software mixing"), because ALSA doesn't do
> mixing. It gets rid of that thing where people complain because they
> can't get sound notifications from Pidgin while listening to music in
> Rhy
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Mackenzie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Daniel T Chen says (after I poked him and forwarded him the original
> email, since he's extremely behind on list mails):
> Feel free to forward my thoughts to u-d-d.
>
> I've been away from development for a bit, so I'l
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Conn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Mackenzie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Daniel T Chen says (after I poked him and forwarded him the original
>> email, since he's extremely behind on list mails):
>> Feel free to forward my th
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:42:01 +0100 "Caroline Ford"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>2008/8/20 Alexander Sack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> But there are also many crash reports where the retracers fail and we
>> dont have any testcase. You want those to stay open as well?
>
>But what do we do with these th
Hi all,
First of all, im not on the mailing list, so please post replies to my
address.
I have been tracking down a problem on my (K)Ubuntu installs for a few days,
and found out what the issue is..
Basically, on my HP DV2839TX laptop, if i press the button to disable/enable
the touchpad, the
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Laurent Bigonville wrote on 08/08/08 21:12:
>...
> Empathy[1] will be part of the upcoming GNOME 2.24 desktop.
> The ubuntu desktop team considers using it instead of Pidgin for
> intrepid as default IM client. If you are running intrepid, please give
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:20:38AM -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> Also, it seems to me that if you tell someone their bug is "invalid"
> that doesn't inspire them to come back with more information or send
> more bugs in the future. On the other hand, if you mark the bug as
> "need help" or similar, t
Please see this thread I started in development.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=894346
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2008/8/21 Markus Hitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Am 20.08.2008 um 11:42 schrieb Null Ack:
>
>> I'm not convinced that the strategy of asking users to install
>> specialised debugging packages is the right way to go. I see a very
>> low hit rate with this working in practice.
>
> How about getting t
The C3 is still listed as a current product on the Via web site.
However, if Wikipedia can be trusted, then not all C3 processors are
the same when it comes to cmov support. The CPU flags have to be
examined to see if a particular generation of C3 model supports cmov
or not. The problem also may no
On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 12:46 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > "Incomplete" is a warning that the report isn't useful
> > in its current state, and will soon be treated accordingly
> > unless it's made more useful.
> >
> That is certainly that is 'a' purpose, but not the only one.
> Understanding
On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 15:17 +1000, Null Ack wrote:
> 3. Ubuntu makes the leading step in showing their commitment to
> quality by requiring that all upstream projects run the security test
> static test tool before it will be accepted into the repos. Tools are
> bit to make this pretty easy for ups
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