Il giorno ven, 12/06/2009 alle 12.05 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas ha
scritto:
>
>
>
>
> This thread is an example of why some Ubuntu developers don't bother
> to
> read this mailing list.
The more users you have, the more noise you get, but certain things
emerge even trough the noise. You are we
Il giorno ven, 12/06/2009 alle 12.05 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas ha
scritto:
>
> Depends what you mean by "we". You are welcome to create a derivative
> OS
> that has a different default.
Yes I could fork the project (this word is coming out too frequently in
my opinion recent bug reports and mail
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> This thread is an example of why some Ubuntu developers don't bother to
> read this mailing list.
Anything is an example of why some Ubuntu developers don't bother to
read this mailinglist. People always complain about the signal to
noi
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This thread is an example of why some Ubuntu developers don't bother to
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Vincenzo Ciancia wrote on 09/06/09 18:23:
>...
> Ubuntu is a centralised entity. No external person can control e.g.
> why we have a custom search in the h
> PS David, I'm relieved you have such a cool boss and I hope you can enjoy
> the rest of your sabbatical.
Thanks, whoever-the-heck-you-are, I've been having an excellent time and the
childishness we've seen here from the likes of Mark Fink and Paige Thompson
haven't impacted my enjoyment of it
Like any other descriptive characters, any name can be penned.
At any rate, mono is useful, there's a few cases I've come across were
mono just did the trick.
Of course as a technology itself, there are pros and cons. I can
advocate for and against mono. About the opportunities that it brings
as
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:26 PM, David Schlesinger
wrote:
>
> > PS David, I'm relieved you have such a cool boss and I hope you can enjoy
> > the rest of your sabbatical.
>
> Thanks, whoever-the-heck-you-are, I've been having an excellent time and the
> childishness we've seen here from the likes
Taking Luke L's advice here and not using my real name on the internet
anymore due to this insanity.
I've submitted this thread to Reddit this morning:
http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/8rmv5/mono_bashers_take_things_too_far_on_ubuntu_lists/
I'm hoping this will wake some people up to make t
A lot of this is non-sense. We'll see if this technological
contribution lasts.
If it is useful, then so be it. How long it lasts, and how useful it
turns out to be, in the end, depends on how many people apply that
technique, that's all.
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Christopher
Chan wrote:
Tim Zakharov wrote:
> Mark Fink wrote:
>
>> it would be better if it was removed from the repos too, but ubuntu
>>
>> would get back some of its respect if it at least removed MONO from
>> the default install like Fedora is doing.
>>
> I just listened to the FLOSS Weekly podcast from May wh
I hope mono wins
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Tuesday 09 June 2009 7:43:37 pm Mark Fink wrote:
> > obviously some of the forum moderators are novell employees (or people
> > who drink they're koolaid) who are censoring respectable people like
> > neighborlee when
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Andrew SB wrote:
> If anyone who hadn't made up their
> mind on this issue has read this thread, I can't imagine they would
> come away with a positive view of the anti-mono viewpoint. The OP has
> done his cause a great disservice.
That's why I ultimately decided
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:58 PM, David
Schlesinger wrote:
> Mark Fink continues to scribble:
>>
>> luckily only stupid people who can't think for themselves fawn over
>> MONO...some of the forum moderators are novell employees (or people
>> who drink they're koolaid)...
>
> Wasn't it you who was com
David Schlesinger wrote:
>
>> and then he goes and creates GNOME while badmouthing KDE and splitting
>> the Linux community. with friends like him, who needs enemies?
>
> I've rarely seen a more slanted and pointless characterization of GNOME.
> I'm a member of the GNOME Foundation advisory board
Mark Fink wrote:
> it would be better if it was removed from the repos too, but ubuntu
>
> would get back some of its respect if it at least removed MONO from
> the default install like Fedora is doing.
I just listened to the FLOSS Weekly podcast from May where they
interviewed a Fedora developer
2009/6/10 Mark Fink
>
> yes it does and the people behind the censorship need to be exposed
> for what they really are
Moderators?
As I understand, the Ubuntu forums are for useful, constructive posts that
adhere to the Code of Conduct. It would appear to be almost a consensus that
those posts
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote
>
>> no wonder you got reported to your boss, david. you are not very
>> resptful of your users and customers.
>
> You all are going completely crazy. Reporting to bosses?? Do you think
> it is RIGHT to risk to ruin a career and a life because of a discussion
> on the web?
>> a) "Respect" from whom, exactly? You? Paige?
>
> the Linux community
There's no lack of respect in the "Linux community" for Ubuntu; quite the
contrary: Ubuntu has arguably done more than any other distro in broadening the
use of Linux and in making it more available and accessible to a broad
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote
>
> > to MONO boosters, MONO is a religion:
> > http://nocturn.vsbnet.be/node/142
>
>
> To UBUNTU boosters, UBUNTU is a religion. I am not surprised by this.
And to Mono-haters, Mono-hating is a religion. As Mark has been amply
demonstrating here.
--
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> no wonder you got reported to your boss, david. you are not very
> resptful of your users and customers.
I'm not sure I'd know where to begin being "resptful" of someone. I had a
"resptful" sleep last night, though.
Neither you nor Paige are my users or my customers. We're all (supposed to be)
Mark Fink continues to scribble:
>
> luckily only stupid people who can't think for themselves fawn over
> MONO...some of the forum moderators are novell employees (or people
> who drink they're koolaid)...
Wasn't it you who was complaining not long ago about "personal attacks"...?
I'll refrain f
> it would be better if it was removed from the repos too, but ubuntu
> would get back some of its respect if it at least removed MONO from
> the default install like Fedora is doing.
A few questions:
a) "Respect" from whom, exactly? You? Paige?
b) Why does this matter? Is someone running a conte
Il giorno mar, 09/06/2009 alle 20.02 -0400, Mark Fink ha scritto:
>
> > Maybe you should go start an "I HATE MONO!!!" mailing list, Mark,
> where you
> > can dispense your bile without fear of having anyone point out that
> you're
> > doing nothing to add light here, only heat.
> >
>
> no wonder
Il giorno mar, 09/06/2009 alle 19.43 -0400, Mark Fink ha scritto:
>
> to MONO boosters, MONO is a religion:
> http://nocturn.vsbnet.be/node/142
>
To UBUNTU boosters, UBUNTU is a religion. I am not surprised by this.
V.
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Hi Mark,
I think I understand now why you and the list have been butting heads so
much. I'd like to present my theory, then explain how you can be more
productive in advocating to developers.
At a Fortune 500 company, I would expect that advocacy is very political
- it's important to create (
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Tuesday 09 June 2009 7:43:37 pm Mark Fink wrote:
>> obviously some of the forum moderators are novell employees (or people
>> who drink they're koolaid) who are censoring respectable people like
>> neighborlee when they speak of the dange
On Tuesday 09 June 2009 7:43:37 pm Mark Fink wrote:
> obviously some of the forum moderators are novell employees (or people
> who drink they're koolaid) who are censoring respectable people like
> neighborlee when they speak of the dangers of MONO
We're mostly students, I think. Computer science
On Tuesday 09 June 2009 7:56:34 pm Mark Fink wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:47 PM, David
> > and working on from there. I can't think of any similarly significant
> > contributions from Mark Fink or from Paige Thompson. Why would I "respect"
> > your view more than Miguel's? "Respect" is earned
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Christopher
Olah wrote:
>> Ubuntu is a centralised entity. No external person can control e.g. why
>> we have a custom search in the home page of firefox by default. People
>> who can't tell the difference will keep using a "different" google, but
>> there is not eve
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:58 PM, David
Schlesinger wrote:
> Mark Fink continues to scribble:
>>
>> luckily only stupid people who can't think for themselves fawn over
>> MONO...some of the forum moderators are novell employees (or people
>> who drink they're koolaid)...
>
> Wasn't it you who was com
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:47 PM, David
Schlesinger wrote:
>> it would be better if it was removed from the repos too, but ubuntu
>> would get back some of its respect if it at least removed MONO from
>> the default install like Fedora is doing.
>
> A few questions:
>
> a) "Respect" from whom, exact
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Christopher
Olah wrote:
> It appears to me that the most important point has been forgotten: the
> accusations of censorship. This, if true, is very alarming...
>
> We can bicker over Mono all we like, but if people are being censored,
> like the OP suggests, someth
On Monday 08 June 2009 5:26:17 pm Paige Thompson wrote:
> well _sir_, I just cant help _but_ notice _that_ you are all_acting
> douchebags--_and_ I thought _I_ might _make_ that obser_vation_.
Well that wasn't very polite...
--
Mackenzie Morgan
http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com
apt-get m
> Ubuntu is a centralised entity. No external person can control e.g. why
> we have a custom search in the home page of firefox by default. People
> who can't tell the difference will keep using a "different" google, but
> there is not even way to get some discussion around this (I tried in the
> p
Il giorno mar, 09/06/2009 alle 12.14 -0400, Christopher Olah ha scritto:
>
> It appears to me that the most important point has been forgotten: the
> accusations of censorship. This, if true, is very alarming...
>
> We can bicker over Mono all we like, but if people are being censored,
> like the
Il giorno mar, 09/06/2009 alle 09.48 -0400, Mark Fink ha scritto:
>
> that's a LOT of bloat
>
> also programs like Gnote are GPL3 so you are protected from patents
Come on this is the only fair criticism that I have seen until now; I
think we still don't ship timidity fonts and have broken midi
> Basically, it just needs the same love as Mono.
One thing I think I can state with certainty about free and open source
software development is that demanding that a bunch of other folks drop what
they're doing and "give love" to something else on your behalf never works.
Maybe your time, and
> well _sir_, I just cant help _but_ notice _that_ you are all_acting
> douchebags--_and_ I thought _I_ might _make_ that obser_vation_.
With a free-floating, completely content-free snipe at one of "us all". It
hardly rises to the level of an "observation".
(And if I used _italics_, you'd doubt
> Someone from Access chimed in on this one, glad he's getting paid to dick
> around like this.
Er, _what_? I'm afraid I'm unable to work out the relevance of this comment to
that message.
Not to put too fine a point on it, I'm actually still on sabbatical this week,
so to be technical, I'm get
It appears to me that the most important point has been forgotten: the
accusations of censorship. This, if true, is very alarming...
We can bicker over Mono all we like, but if people are being censored,
like the OP suggests, something is _very_ wrong.
Just my $0.02...
Christopher
--
Ubuntu-de
I want to thank Paige for taking advantage of my "out of the office"
advisory to share her generally childish behavior with my manager, off-
list. We had a good laugh over that one, thanks. No jobs available for
you right now, Paige, sorry, but feel free to send a resume when you
get to be e
> Oh, so now Ubuntu also comes with Windows Media, H.264 and DivX? You
> can find those in the repositories as well. Maybe we should call
> MPEG-LA that there is big patent infringement going on here...
You can't find them in the universal repository, and some great lengths are
gone to in order t
Scott James Remnant wrote:
> Why should Ubuntu actively prevent a developer from writing software in
> C# if they wish? That software may not even be intended to be shipped
> in Ubuntu, what if they want to use Ubuntu as the basis for an
> application that happens to be written in C#? Do you ser
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:03 AM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote:
> 2009/6/9 Derek Broughton
>>
>> Sorry, but no. You are pretending to have a rational discussion, while
>> dismissing perfectly valid arguments.
>>
>> > The codecs are
>> > not-in-Ubuntu the same way as Wine, because they are not install
You're welcome David, anytime you want to set yourself up for that go for
it. I can't promise I'll be here to hand your ass to you after you've so
carelessly lost track of it, unfortunately.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:36 PM, David Schlesinger <
david.schlesin...@access-company.com> wrote:
> I wan
Il giorno lun, 08/06/2009 alle 20.50 -0300, Derek Broughton ha scritto:
>
> That's not an argument, it's a complete misdirection. Are you really
> just
> fink using different nym?
>
Professional trolling here at work. Do the communist have to do with the
plan? Just to know on what side I want
Christopher Chan wrote:
> These are about 'standards'. Can there really be a technical argument
> between using say the metric system versus the foot/yard or the ounce/pound?
Yes:
1) state your technical requirements
2) state the relevant properties of each standard
3) argue about which properti
> Perhaps I'm naive in thinking that a technical argument can be had in a
> civilised tone.
>
>
Ah, but you see...these are NOT technical arguments.
These are about 'standards'. Can there really be a technical argument
between using say the metric system versus the foot/yard or the ounce/p
2009/6/9 Derek Broughton
>
>
> Sorry, but no. You are pretending to have a rational discussion, while
> dismissing perfectly valid arguments.
>
> > The codecs are
> > not-in-Ubuntu the same way as Wine, because they are not installed,
>
> No, they are not. The codecs are NOT in Ubuntu at all. S
As a reader of this list I have to confess that the tone of the emails
being sent appear to have degenerated into name calling and I have to
confess that I'm not particularly interested to spend my voluntary spare
time reading messages between people abusing one another.
Perhaps I'm naive in think
I sorry, just wanted to be a part of the lols
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Remco wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Derek Broughton
> wrote:
> > Remco wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Derek Broughton
> >> wrote:
> >>> Remco wrote:
> >>>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Remco wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Derek Broughton
>> wrote:
>>> Remco wrote:
>>>
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David
Schlesinger wrote:
> As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You
>
Remco wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Derek Broughton
> wrote:
>> Remco wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David
>>> Schlesinger wrote:
As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You
were completely mistaken about it, rendering your argument me
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:17 AM, David
Schlesinger wrote:
>> Basically, it just needs the same love as Mono.
>
> One thing I think I can state with certainty about free and open source
> software development is that demanding that a bunch of other folks drop what
> they're doing and "give love" to s
Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
>
>
>
>> Oh well...in the 80ties/90ties when Java was invented and was used by
>> more people then Turbo Pascal in no time, I said the same...It was
>> closed source, and had too much of Sun in it..
>>
>>
>
> KDE/Qt we should start a wall of fame =D
>
>
Proba
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Remco wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David
>> Schlesinger wrote:
>>> As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You
>>> were completely mistaken about it, rendering your argument meaningless.
>>> The appro
Remco wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David
> Schlesinger wrote:
>> As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You
>> were completely mistaken about it, rendering your argument meaningless.
>> The appropriate response at that point is to say, "I was wrong", not to
Remco wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Derek Broughton
> wrote:
>> Remco wrote:
>>
>>> We're still being a Microsoft technology user, which is what Mark
>>> Shuttleworth didn't want, and is the reason why Wine is not included
>>> in Ubuntu.
>>
>> It's not? When did that happen?
>>
>> $ ap
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Markus Hitter wrote:
>
> Am 08.06.2009 um 08:37 schrieb Stephan Hermann:
>
>> Mono gives us a good way into the MS front...this could also be a
>> point
>> of view.
>
> It's interesting to see how some people accuse Mono to be Microsofts
> inroad into the open source
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Max Bowsher wrote:
> Remco wrote:
>> Wine is not in the default install, like the codecs,
>> so it is *not* included in Ubuntu.
>
> To equate "not included in Ubuntu" with "not in the default install" is
> twisting semantics to suit your purpose.
>
> Ubuntu universe
Remco wrote:
> Wine is not in the default install, like the codecs,
> so it is *not* included in Ubuntu.
To equate "not included in Ubuntu" with "not in the default install" is
twisting semantics to suit your purpose.
Ubuntu universe is still part of Ubuntu. If you mean "Ubuntu main", or
"Ubuntu
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David
Schlesinger wrote:
> As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You were
> completely mistaken about it, rendering your argument meaningless. The
> appropriate response at that point is to say, "I was wrong", not to try to
> switch to a
well _sir_, I just cant help _but_ notice _that_ you are all_acting
douchebags--_and_ I thought _I_ might _make_ that obser_vation_.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:22 PM, David Schlesinger <
david.schlesin...@access-company.com> wrote:
> > Someone from Access chimed in on this one, glad he's getting p
Someone from Access chimed in on this one, glad he's getting paid to dick
around like this.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Remco wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Derek Broughton
> wrote:
> > Remco wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morgan
> wrote:
> >>> Perhaps I
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Remco wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
>>> Perhaps I misunderstand why the term "application framework" is any
>>> better than a pile of libraries and languages that work together, but I
>>> think it'd be ex
Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
> This is clearly a "not invented here" syndrome. please read wikipedia
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here
>
> I'm a software engineer, I personally tried both java and .net (I
> don't like python very much because it's easy to get things out of
> control)
> I
Remco wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
>> Perhaps I misunderstand why the term "application framework" is any
>> better than a pile of libraries and languages that work together, but I
>> think it'd be extremely difficult for Microsoft to try to argue that .NET
>> i
On Monday 08 June 2009 11:35:15 am Remco wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> > IIRC, is:
> > 1) only in HTML5, not XHTML
>
> Which is irrelevant. Nobody uses XHTML. The kind of fake XHTML that
> some web designers use can use without problem.
XHTML 1.0 Strict can
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> IIRC, is:
> 1) only in HTML5, not XHTML
Which is irrelevant. Nobody uses XHTML. The kind of fake XHTML that
some web designers use can use without problem.
> 2) no longer requiring OGG Theora
>
> #2 just gets us right back to the old pro
This is clearly a "not invented here" syndrome. please read wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here
I'm a software engineer, I personally tried both java and .net (I
don't like python very much because it's easy to get things out of
control)
I don't care where a technology is crea
On Monday 08 June 2009 10:55:32 am Remco wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> > And in using Flash, we're Adobe technology users (even if, like I do, you
use
> > swfdec instead of Adobe's plugin). Sometimes pragmatism is needed to gain
> > enough users for the critic
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> And in using Flash, we're Adobe technology users (even if, like I do, you use
> swfdec instead of Adobe's plugin). Sometimes pragmatism is needed to gain
> enough users for the critical mass that would let us push back.
That's different. F
On Sun, 2009-06-07 at 18:36 -0400, Mark Fink wrote:
> I hope you get rid of MONO. only then can your reputations be restored.
>
From my point of view, I don't see any reason why we should restrict
software developers from programming in a language or environment in
which they feel comfortable.
U
On Monday 08 June 2009 10:30:12 am Remco wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> > Perhaps I misunderstand why the term "application framework" is any better
> > than a pile of libraries and languages that work together, but I think
it'd be
> > extremely difficult for Mi
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> Perhaps I misunderstand why the term "application framework" is any better
> than a pile of libraries and languages that work together, but I think it'd be
> extremely difficult for Microsoft to try to argue that .NET is older than
> GTK+,
On Monday 08 June 2009 9:14:04 am Derek Broughton wrote:
> Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> > * The DNC is the one I can remember by name, but at least 2 or 3 large
> > events
> > have had Silverlight/Moonlight-only streaming. Er...wait, was the
> > Olympics
> > one of them? I think so...
>
> My recoll
Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Monday 08 June 2009 7:49:32 am Mark Fink wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Stephan Hermann wrote:
>> > anyways...MONO is a technology and this technology belongs into Ubuntu
>> > or any other linux distribution. It helps people get rid of Windows in
>> > the fi
Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> Jo is a nice fellow, met him at UDS. Didn't seem very much to be
> infiltrating...more like sitting around being cheerful and chatting with
> whatever folks sat down.
Oh sure. That's what he _wants_ you to think
--
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Ub
On Monday 08 June 2009 10:00:27 am Mark Fink wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Remco wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Luke L wrote:
> >> This guy is trolling you hard. REALLY hard.
> >
> > Who is trolling me? I think Mark Fink can use some communication
> > skills, but he has a cer
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Remco wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Luke L wrote:
>> This guy is trolling you hard. REALLY hard.
>
> Who is trolling me? I think Mark Fink can use some communication
> skills, but he has a certain point somewhere deep down. Wine and Mono
> are great intero
On Monday 08 June 2009 9:39:31 am Mark Fink wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> > Instead of whinging, why don't you write BETTER replacements for those
> > applications in C, if it bothers you so much? Whinging is simply not
> > constructive.
>
> people already hav
Il giorno dom, 07/06/2009 alle 20.26 -0400, Mark Fink ha scritto:
>
>
>
> you sound like a typical M$ appologist. do you sleep well at night?
> hope they are paying you well.
>
You are on an ubuntu list and are sounding like a typical troll. Stop
it. You are not likely to find microsoft servan
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Luke L wrote:
> This guy is trolling you hard. REALLY hard.
Who is trolling me? I think Mark Fink can use some communication
skills, but he has a certain point somewhere deep down. Wine and Mono
are great interoperability efforts, but if Ubuntu is going to be using
Il giorno dom, 07/06/2009 alle 19.06 -0400, Mark Fink ha scritto:
>
> > Ashamed...for choosing to include good software that works well?
>
> MONO is a poor imitation of java, so why use MONO!?
I don't understand your concern. Mono is free software, so are all the
mentioned programs, so is ubuntu
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Monday 08 June 2009 7:54:19 am Mark Fink wrote:
>> as benfrank said yesterday on boycottnovell:
>>
>> "The solution seems obvious and easy: don’t make Mono or Mono apps
>> part of the default install. Leave them in the repos for the users
This guy is trolling you hard. REALLY hard.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Remco wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
>> On Monday 08 June 2009 7:49:32 am Mark Fink wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Stephan Hermann wrote:
>>> > anyways...MONO is a technology a
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Monday 08 June 2009 7:49:32 am Mark Fink wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Stephan Hermann wrote:
>> > anyways...MONO is a technology and this technology belongs into Ubuntu
>> > or any other linux distribution. It helps people ge
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> Instead of whinging, why don't you write BETTER replacements for those
> applications in C, if it bothers you so much? Whinging is simply not
> constructive.
It'd probably be better to write them in Java. That would force Mono
out. (you ca
On Monday 08 June 2009 7:49:32 am Mark Fink wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Stephan Hermann wrote:
> > anyways...MONO is a technology and this technology belongs into Ubuntu
> > or any other linux distribution. It helps people get rid of Windows in
> > the first place.
>
> no it doesn't,
On Monday 08 June 2009 7:54:19 am Mark Fink wrote:
> as benfrank said yesterday on boycottnovell:
>
> "The solution seems obvious and easy: don’t make Mono or Mono apps
> part of the default install. Leave them in the repos for the users who
> want them. Easy as falling over. Not wanting to even d
Personally, as a programmer, I welcome MONO into the Linux fold. Here's my 2
cents' worth (and they are good old ZA cents, so really not worth all that
much...).
When I first tried Linux some years ago, it was Debian, the glorious giant
upon whose shoulders we Ubuntu users stand. I came from a win
> Oh well...in the 80ties/90ties when Java was invented and was used by
> more people then Turbo Pascal in no time, I said the same...It was
> closed source, and had too much of Sun in it..
>
KDE/Qt we should start a wall of fame =D
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Dmitrijs Ledkovs (for short Dima),
On Jun 8, 2009, at 11:02, "Null Ack" wrote:
>
> I'm fully prepared to listen to well constructed rational arguments to
> the contrary.
Based strictly on past experience, I'm not expecting to see them
coming from Mark, I'm afraid. If you want to listen to abuse,
propaganda, and unsupported acc
> you sound like a typical M$ appologist. do you sleep well at night?
> hope they are paying you well.
Clearly Mark doesn't understand the meaning of the phrase "personal attack"...
Physician, heal thyself.
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> I see you are shooting the messenger, steve.
Heck, I only wish his aim were better.
I'm seeing only one "troll" here, Mark, and I've seen him before, singing
approximately the same song. It hasn't got a beat, and I can't dance to it.
Your "message" is, frankly, inane, and the terms in which y
Hi,
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 07:49:32 -0400
Mark Fink wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Stephan Hermann
> wrote:
> > Good Morning,
> >
> > On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 18:36:29 -0400
> > Mark Fink wrote:
> >
> >> [...removed totally annoying article...]
> >
> > As I'm not a MONO Fanboy myself...and som
as benfrank said yesterday on boycottnovell:
"The solution seems obvious and easy: don’t make Mono or Mono apps
part of the default install. Leave them in the repos for the users who
want them. Easy as falling over. Not wanting to even discuss such a
simple solution makes it credible that Ubuntu i
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Stephan Hermann wrote:
> Good Morning,
>
> On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 18:36:29 -0400
> Mark Fink wrote:
>
>> [...removed totally annoying article...]
>
> As I'm not a MONO Fanboy myself...and sometimes boycott novell does
> write good articles...but please...
>
> Mono gives
Am 08.06.2009 um 08:37 schrieb Stephan Hermann:
> Mono gives us a good way into the MS front...this could also be a
> point
> of view.
It's interesting to see how some people accuse Mono to be Microsofts
inroad into the open source world and others see the inroad of open
source into the Mi
Good Morning,
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 18:36:29 -0400
Mark Fink wrote:
> [...removed totally annoying article...]
As I'm not a MONO Fanboy myself...and sometimes boycott novell does
write good articles...but please...
Mono gives us a good way into the MS front...this could also be a point
of view.
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