Re: apt-cacher in main

2007-11-18 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
Reinhard Tartler wrote: > > http://packages.debian.org/sid/apt-cacher-ng > > But I have not tried it yet. It will be interesting to follow its progress. apt-cacher-ng (presumably "next generation") "is more than simple rewrite of Apt-Cacher. It was redesigned from scratch and is written i

Re: apt-cacher in main

2007-11-18 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Oliver Grawert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > searching for package proxy solutions in apt-cache reveals: > > approx - caching proxy server for Debian archive files > apt-cacher - caching proxy system for Debian package and source files > apt-proxy - Debian archive proxy and partial mirror builder

Re: apt-cacher in main + apt-zeroconf

2007-11-16 Thread Sam Tygier
Fabian Rodriguez wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > Sam Tygier wrote: >> it looks like they have got the security side covered. >> >> "Now, one might think this could potentially pose a security threat >> as everyone can offer and distribute debs without any >> auth

Re: apt-cacher in main + apt-zeroconf

2007-11-16 Thread Kevin Fries
There is another problem with apt-zeroconf... it relies on Avahi. Avahi has lots of environments that it does not work in. In my office, the machines are not seeing each other. When we had a meeting at the Google (Sketchup) offices in Boulder, Avahi did not work correctly their either. I don't

Re: apt-cacher in main

2007-11-16 Thread Mathias Gug
Hi Oliver, On Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 12:15:34PM +0100, Oliver Grawert wrote: > searching for package proxy solutions in apt-cache reveals: > > apt-proxy - Debian archive proxy and partial mirror builder I've used apt-proxy for some time, but switch to apt-cacher. apt-proxy would hang quiet often w

Re: apt-cacher in main

2007-11-16 Thread Oliver Grawert
he main inclusion. > > We should be wary of both a) jumping from broad requirements ("large > deployments would benefit from local redistribution of updates") to actions > ("let's put apt-cacher in main") and b) focusing too much on niche use cases > when there

Re: apt-cacher in main

2007-11-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
nts would benefit from local redistribution of updates") to actions ("let's put apt-cacher in main") and b) focusing too much on niche use cases when there are issues facing a large number of users which need to be addressed. If this is worth addressing, then it is worth thinking

Re: apt-cacher in main + apt-zeroconf

2007-11-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 12:53:14PM -0500, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: > If this was actually checked against a local web of trust (like > OpenPGP or Gaim-OTR keys or else) it may become interesting. But who > uses that "safely" ? :) All packages downloaded by APT are authenticated using PGP keys provi

Re: apt-cacher in main

2007-11-15 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Kevin Fries wrote: > I am not sure it needs to be moved. But, what would be totally cool > is if the installer scanned the local network on install and > configured apt-cacher in sources.list instead of the normal repos > by default when if finds

Re: apt-cacher in main + apt-zeroconf

2007-11-15 Thread Sam Tygier
Fabian Rodriguez wrote: > apt-zeroconf is actually a replacement for apt-cacher, not a > complement to it, according to its site. I think we already know the > answer to "enabled by default" autodiscovery / other networking > services. I would have some trust issues using apt-zeroconf, but > that's

Re: apt-cacher in main + apt-zeroconf

2007-11-15 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Sam Tygier wrote: > it looks like they have got the security side covered. > > "Now, one might think this could potentially pose a security threat > as everyone can offer and distribute debs without any > authentication whatsoever. This is not th

Re: apt-cacher in main

2007-11-15 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Kevin Fries wrote: > [...] Without apt-cacher you either need to allow that machine > access to the Internet, or do without updates. +1 for that, I haven't used apt-cacher in that context but it's an important use case. I'll make sure it makes it

Re: apt-cacher in main + apt-zeroconf

2007-11-15 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Sam Tygier wrote: > > could apt-zeroconf[0] be installed and enabled by default. > > "distributed apt-cacher for local networks implemented in Python. > It's called apt-zeroconf since we use avahi for automatically > finding other apt-zeroconf ins

Re: apt-cacher in main

2007-11-15 Thread Kevin Fries
On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 18:27 -0500, Scott Abbey wrote: > I think the point of moving it is so that it receives official support from > Canonical. That way those on paid support contracts can still expect > assistance from Canonical when using the package. Canonical only provides > paid support for

Re: apt-cacher in main + apt-zeroconf

2007-11-15 Thread Sam Tygier
Kevin Fries wrote: > I am not sure it needs to be moved. But, what would be totally cool is > if the installer scanned the local network on install and configured > apt-cacher in sources.list instead of the normal repos by default when > if finds a server. That would be a terrific usability upgrad

Re: apt-cacher in main

2007-11-15 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Scott Abbey wrote: > [...] > > I think the point of moving it is so that it receives official > support from Canonical. That way those on paid support contracts > can still expect assistance from Canonical when using the package. > Canonical only

Re: apt-cacher in main

2007-11-15 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, Am Mittwoch, den 14.11.2007, 11:38 -0500 schrieb Fabian Rodriguez: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > (not sure if this made it so re-sending) it did :) > Hi, > > I'd like to propose moving apt-cacher to main. I haven't done main > inclusion reports before so bear wit

Re: apt-cacher in main

2007-11-14 Thread Scott Abbey
Kevin Fries wrote: > On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 11:38 -0500, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: >> I also think this would be a good candidate to have on the LiveCD >> installer and/or the Server CD installer images, as in many scenarios >> CDs are used for a first install and then other PCs in the same LAN >> cou

Re: apt-cacher in main

2007-11-14 Thread Kevin Fries
On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 11:38 -0500, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: > I also think this would be a good candidate to have on the LiveCD > installer and/or the Server CD installer images, as in many scenarios > CDs are used for a first install and then other PCs in the same LAN > could use that first instal

apt-cacher in main

2007-11-14 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 (not sure if this made it so re-sending) Hi, I'd like to propose moving apt-cacher to main. I haven't done main inclusion reports before so bear with me while I dive into this :) Description: caching proxy system for Debian package and source f

apt-cacher in main

2007-11-14 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi, I'd like to propose moving apt-cacher to main. I haven't done main inclusion reports before so bear with me while I dive into this :) Description: caching proxy system for Debian package and source files Apt-cacher performs caching of .deb