On 07/06/2009 06:15 PM, (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
> Olá Mackenzie e a todos.
>
> On Tuesday 16 June 2009 22:33:07 Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
>> I don't actually know anybody that used OOo on Windows before they used it
>> on Linux.
>
> I did, and I've set *many* windows users to use OOo, even i
Olá Mackenzie e a todos.
On Tuesday 16 June 2009 22:33:07 Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> I don't actually know anybody that used OOo on Windows before they used it on
> Linux.
I did, and I've set *many* windows users to use OOo, even if they never run
linux in their lives!
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Hi, I'm BUGabundo, an
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Andrew
Sayers wrote:
> I'll try to listen in during the next UDS, but it looks like there
> aren't many archives kept around for those of us that want to go in and
> see what happened in the past. Is it worth asking Canonical to archive
> the IRC logs next time, an
Thanks for these links. Now you remind me, I do remember a flurry of
activity in August, which I'd put out of my mind when it didn't get any
traction.
I'll try to listen in during the next UDS, but it looks like there
aren't many archives kept around for those of us that want to go in and
see
Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
>
> I like this idea. This could be not only limited to Pidgin, but other
> software, like Xchat, for example.
>
> Go ahead, create blueprint for this.
>
With apologies for the delay, please see:
https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/install-programs-from-
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Danny Piccirillo wrote on 17/06/09 21:13:
>...
> What would Midori need to replace Firefox? It has plugin support, so
> let's forget about the number of actual plugins (similar to Empathy
> vs Pidgin, it would be unreasonable to expect that gap to clos
Danny Piccirillo [2009-06-19 4:31 -0400]:
> It seems ubuntu-desktop recommends Empathy but still only includes Pidgin,
> so it is not actually included in Karmic yet. Who can fix this? We need to
> iron out as many bugs as possible!
The CDs didn't build because of missing dependencies, see
http:
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 20:14, Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 02:46, Martin Pitt wrote:
>
>> Danny Piccirillo [2009-06-17 2:22 -0400]:
>> > I'm noticing that in the latest daily build of Ubuntu, Pidgin in still
>> > included, who makes the actual change and when will that hap
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 02:46, Martin Pitt wrote:
> Danny Piccirillo [2009-06-17 2:22 -0400]:
> > I'm noticing that in the latest daily build of Ubuntu, Pidgin in still
> > included, who makes the actual change and when will that happen?
>
> I went through the MIRs last week, and changed the see
Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 14.40 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto:
>
> Daniel would know better, but based on what he's explained: I'd guess
> Empathy
> would deal better with audio than Skype would simply because Empathy
> doesn't
> try to abuse the ALSA API or do silly things to /proc li
On Wednesday 17 June 2009 4:56:16 pm Evan R. Murphy wrote:
> not sure I fully understand the rendering issue (could
> someone elaborate on that, please?),
Webkit has, I believe, the fastest Javascript engine. It also has better CSS2
& CSS3 support than other rendering engines (along with a few
2009/6/17 Danny Piccirillo :
> Wow, yeah that was a long time ago...definitely grab the newest version
> using the WebKit and Midori PPAs. It's really great and it's GNOME too. I
> find it to be much faster and sleeker than Epiphany, and seems to have more
> features. IMHO, it's just designed bette
Wow, yeah that was a long time ago...definitely grab the newest version
using the WebKit and Midori PPAs. It's really great and it's GNOME too. I
find it to be much faster and sleeker than Epiphany, and seems to have more
features. IMHO, it's just designed better. It is certainly not ready to take
> Hi Dan,
>
> About halfway through this reply, a compromise occurred to me: get
> migration-assistant to install Pidgin if it's detected. If that works,
> it would get rid of many of the issues I've been complaining about, at
> least for migraters that plan to dual boot. This post covers some
>
On Wednesday 17 June 2009 3:31:09 pm Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> What about Midori instead of Epiphany? I have yet to see a chart comparing
> the two, but from what i've read, Midori is much better, and i've been using
> it as my main browser for a while now.
I've only used the Hardy version...that
What about Midori instead of Epiphany? I have yet to see a chart comparing
the two, but from what i've read, Midori is much better, and i've been using
it as my main browser for a while now.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 14:44, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 June 2009 2:27:31 pm Vincenzo Ci
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Andrew
Sayers wrote:
> I've not been able to find any discussion of Empathy online before this
> week, and I can't find it in the schedules or the list of discussions.
> Could you point to somewhere that the arguments are laid out?
>
> - Andrew
It can be har
As promised, this reply will concentrate on working around problems
faced by migraters by patching migration-assistant. I would be willing
to put programming time into the ideas suggested here.
As I stated in another post, the best Linux migration strategy involves
two stages: new apps/same OS
Hi Dan,
About halfway through this reply, a compromise occurred to me: get
migration-assistant to install Pidgin if it's detected. If that works,
it would get rid of many of the issues I've been complaining about, at
least for migraters that plan to dual boot. This post covers some
underlyin
On Wednesday 17 June 2009 2:27:31 pm Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
> Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 14.01 +0300, Peteris Krisjanis ha
> scritto:
> > What I meant that Empathy, maybe not complete now, but it is the way
> > to go, it fits more in scheme of things for Ubuntu and GNOME.
>
> The same could
www.ThePoint.com ?
www.COfundOS.org ?
Both are good for this
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 14:25, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
> Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 08.29 -0700, George Farris ha scritto:
> >
> >
> > I agree and use OTR all the time, however, if more people start using
> > Empathy then hopefull
On Wednesday 17 June 2009 2:30:20 pm Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
> Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 13.16 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto:
> >
> >
> > Nevermind the fact that Empathy replacing Pidgin eventually was
> > discussed at
> > UDS *Jaunty* 6 months ago with a "let's aim for Jaunty+1" outco
Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 13.16 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto:
>
>
> Nevermind the fact that Empathy replacing Pidgin eventually was
> discussed at
> UDS *Jaunty* 6 months ago with a "let's aim for Jaunty+1" outcome and
> then re-
> discussed at UDS Karmic. There's been 6 months to ge
Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 14.01 +0300, Peteris Krisjanis ha
scritto:
> What I meant that Empathy, maybe not complete now, but it is the way
> to go, it fits more in scheme of things for Ubuntu and GNOME.
The same could be said about epiphany, yet firefox is the default
browser.
V.
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Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 08.29 -0700, George Farris ha scritto:
>
>
> I agree and use OTR all the time, however, if more people start using
> Empathy then hopefully an OTR plugin will be ported sooner rather than
> later.
>
Yes I agree. Another option would be for Canonical or Gnome to fi
On Wednesday 17 June 2009 11:39:22 am dan wrote:
> Regarding UDS, and the decisions made there, I dont see how those sessions
> could be any more inclusive. There is news and blogs and information
> flowing out of there almost 24x7 for a week. The session schedules are
> published. And there are
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Andrew Sayers <
andrew-ubuntu-de...@pileofstuff.org> wrote:
> I guess my previous message wasn't clear - I'm not making an argument
> here from personal preference, I'm trying to file a bug in Ubuntu
> itself. Specifically, that dropping Pidgin will cause a regres
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 14:18 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
> On 16/06/2009 Ken VanDine wrote:
> > If
> > you really need OTR, you can install pidgin.
>
> All the users I've shown OTR to agreed it's an extremely good thing to
> have. You can not know if your boss is watching you. Cryptography tool
On 16/06/2009 Ken VanDine wrote:
> If
> you really need OTR, you can install pidgin.
All the users I've shown OTR to agreed it's an extremely good thing to
have. You can not know if your boss is watching you. Cryptography tools
available for the masses in an easy way is another way to distinguis
On 16/06/2009 Alexander H Deriziotis wrote:
>
>
> This would be a pretty bad move regarding Ubuntu's development model.
> With a 6-month release cycle, things need to remain cutting edge. If
> every release is just going to be a rehash of a previous one, then
> Canonical should be releasing a
What I meant that Empathy, maybe not complete now, but it is the way
to go, it fits more in scheme of things for Ubuntu and GNOME. So it
felt to me that some of arguments presented in this thread were more
about keeping Pidgin, not about problems of Empathy which sure must be
addressed before final
Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
> I think it is quite clear that so called 'regressions' about Empathy
> is more like 'We are so used to Pidgin, let it be there'. Yes, there
> are bugs and they should be fixed. And I am quite sure they will be.
If you're saying that the complaint is about a specific bug
I think it is quite clear that so called 'regressions' about Empathy
is more like 'We are so used to Pidgin, let it be there'. Yes, there
are bugs and they should be fixed. And I am quite sure they will be.
Empathy team seems to me are aiming for more concrete desktop
experience and have done thei
Danny Piccirillo [2009-06-17 2:22 -0400]:
> I'm noticing that in the latest daily build of Ubuntu, Pidgin in still
> included, who makes the actual change and when will that happen?
I went through the MIRs last week, and changed the seeds now. It
should happen on tomorrow's daily CDs.
Martin
--
I'm noticing that in the latest daily build of Ubuntu, Pidgin in still
included, who makes the actual change and when will that happen?
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 02:06, Andrew Sayers <
andrew-ubuntu-de...@pileofstuff.org> wrote:
> I guess my previous message wasn't clear - I'm not making an argumen
I guess my previous message wasn't clear - I'm not making an argument
here from personal preference, I'm trying to file a bug in Ubuntu
itself. Specifically, that dropping Pidgin will cause a regression in
the user experience for migraters.
I'm also not arguing that migraters are incapable of
The discussion so far has been people arguing about why they prefer Empathy
or Pidgin, but at UDS it was already decided that Empathy would ship with
Karmic. I humbly request that we all stop bickering about any problems we
may currently have with it, and start testing it and filing bug reports so
On Tuesday 16 June 2009 5:25:12 pm Andrew Sayers wrote:
> I'm not usually one to stand in the way of progress, but it seems like
> there are grave issues here for people migrating from other OSes.
>
> Migration to Linux from another OS is best done in two stages: first you
> keep your old OS and
I'm not usually one to stand in the way of progress, but it seems like
there are grave issues here for people migrating from other OSes.
Migration to Linux from another OS is best done in two stages: first you
keep your old OS and switch to cross-platform apps, then you switch your
OS and keep
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Ken VanDine wrote:
> Personally I don't see anything about empathy that is worse than pidgin.
> Empathy has the plus of being extremely well integrated into GNOME and
> the telepathy framework opens up such huge potential. Sticking with
> Pidgin keeps us locked in
Personally I don't see anything about empathy that is worse than pidgin.
Empathy has the plus of being extremely well integrated into GNOME and
the telepathy framework opens up such huge potential. Sticking with
Pidgin keeps us locked in the corner, we could be so much cooler if we
can get out of
Jordan Mantha [2009-06-16 9:57 -0700]:
> Well, but we basically already did that for Jaunty. At the time it was
> decided to wait for Karmic. At some point we have to just bite the
> bullet and do it. I'm not a huge empathy fan (it's OK, but pidgin is
> better for me) but I think it's clearly the
What this? Apparently at UDS this was already discussed and Empathy is going
to replace Pidgin--
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Karmic/MessagingAndCommunicationSelection
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 16:04, Asif Youssuff wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 20:39 +0100, Alexander H Deriziotis wro
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 20:39 +0100, Alexander H Deriziotis wrote:
> This would be a pretty bad move regarding Ubuntu's development model.
> With a 6-month release cycle, things need to remain cutting edge. If
> every release is just going to be a rehash of a previous one, then
> Canonical should be
2009/6/16 Danny Piccirillo
> Wait, I have a new proposal! Let's *not* include Empathy in Karmic, but
> plan on including it in Karmic +1 (and *announce* this)
> Why? Well, it will still give Empathy the attention it needs from
> developers to fix the bugs that would be considered regressions duri
reading this discussion I decided to give a try. when I want to set
status to Hidden using my yahoo account, it's setting it to busy.
looking into launchpad I found same problem also for gmail, which I'm
not sure yet. and this bug is reported to empathy bugzilla.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/empathy
Empathy itself is ok with version 2.27.3 for an average user.
The problem is telepathy: some protocols are behind pidgin's (such as
MSN which is poorly supported and developers don't respond to bugs
quickly)
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Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> Wait, I have a new proposal! Let's *not* include Empathy in Karmic, but
> plan on including it in Karmic +1 (and /announce/ this)
>
> Why? Well, it will still give Empathy the attention it needs from
> developers to fix the bugs that would be considered regressions during
If we decide to go with this, who can make the final call, and
how/where can it be announced?
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:43, Asif Youssuff wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 12:37 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> > Wait, I have a new proposal! Let's not include Empathy in Karmic, but
> > plan on inc
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 12:37 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> Wait, I have a new proposal! Let's not include Empathy in Karmic, but
> plan on including it in Karmic +1 (and announce this)
>
> Why? Well, it will still give Empathy the attention it needs from
> developers to fix the bugs that would
Wait, I have a new proposal! Let's *not* include Empathy in Karmic, but plan
on including it in Karmic +1 (and *announce* this)
Why? Well, it will still give Empathy the attention it needs from developers
to fix the bugs that would be considered regressions during the switch
without actually replac
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 17:36 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote:
> IMHO Empathy is great for most users, especially new ones, and it can
> replace poth pidgin AND ekiga. It lacks the basic features like the
> ones you mentioned, but i don't think they are showstoppers and
> including it in Karmic or the
Just blogged this here:
http://pinstack.blogspot.com/2009/06/replace-pidgin-with-empathy-in-karmic.html
I referenced Rick and Nicolò-- hope that's okay with you two!
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 18:22, Rick Spencer wrote:
> I think switching to empathy is a fairly substantial change, and people
> in g
Heya
I've started using Empathy as my default IM messenger with Hardy or
interpid (can't remember i was compiling it by hand, it wasn't in the
repo's back then).
MSN is evil =D those that try to send me files or start audio/video
chat I just tell them it's not supported on my platform and then ma
Ah, yes-- this discussion will keep coming up until it finally happens =]
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7462614
IMHO Empathy is *great* for most users, especially new ones, and it can
replace poth pidgin AND ekiga. It lacks the basic features like the ones you
mentioned, but i don't thi
Hello everyone, I'm really interested in the new version of empathy
which will have video and audio support.
This will be a really great feature and a step towards a complete IM experience.
But on the other hand I'm quite worried of the empathy and telepathy
status about basic features, which seem
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