Re: [nvidia-graphics-drivers] frustration with slow Nvidia drivers release schedule

2013-09-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
AG Restringere wrote: >> If you have a support contract with Canonical, then maybe Canonical >has a >> support obligation, but Ubuntu, in particular for proprietary >software, >has no >> support "obligation". > >No, that's not it, let's not confuse the issue, the commercial side and >Canonical has

Re: [nvidia-graphics-drivers] frustration with slow Nvidia drivers release schedule

2013-09-06 Thread AG Restringere
> If you have a support contract with Canonical, then maybe Canonical has a > support obligation, but Ubuntu, in particular for proprietary software, has no > support "obligation". No, that's not it, let's not confuse the issue, the commercial side and Canonical has nothing do with what I'm curren

Re: 13.10 (Saucy Salamander) Beta 1 Released!

2013-09-06 Thread Daniel Hollocher
> Similar to raring cycle, ubuntu desktop & server & core are not > participating / pushing out Beta 1 image. > To see which flavour participated see: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta1 > ... Please see the details on the release schedule: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/

Re: [nvidia-graphics-drivers] frustration with slow Nvidia drivers release schedule

2013-09-06 Thread Jordon Bedwell
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Paulo Roberto de Oliveira Castro wrote: > Yes, that is what I was trying to say. > They want it work and to be as fast as it can be, without worrying about it. I'm out of this one, the straw man just came out. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-dis

Re: [nvidia-graphics-drivers] frustration with slow Nvidia drivers release schedule

2013-09-06 Thread AG Restringere
> You aren't talking about open source. You're talking about proprietary software distribution. From a FOSS perspective, the best > practice is not to use it. > > Scott K Agree with you on that one, ideally if only Nvidia drivers and the many wireless cards had open-source drivers this would be s

Re: [nvidia-graphics-drivers] frustration with slow Nvidia drivers release schedule

2013-09-06 Thread Paulo Roberto de Oliveira Castro
2013/9/6 Sergio Schvezov > On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Paulo Roberto de Oliveira Castro < > p.oliveira.cas...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> 2013/9/6 Jordon Bedwell >> >>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Paulo Roberto de Oliveira Castro >>> wrote: >>> > 2013/9/2 Jordon Bedwell >>> >> >>> >> my su

Re: [nvidia-graphics-drivers] frustration with slow Nvidia drivers release schedule

2013-09-06 Thread AG Restringere
It's very simple: Nvidia "certifies" a driver in the "long lived branch", when it releases a new stable driver it recommends every Linux user to install that driver immediately for the best experience. Ubuntu has a support obligation make the latest most up-to-date "certified" drivers available t

Re: [nvidia-graphics-drivers] frustration with slow Nvidia drivers release schedule

2013-09-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
If you have a support contract with Canonical, then maybe Canonical has a support obligation, but Ubuntu, in particular for proprietary software, has no support "obligation". Scott K On Friday, September 06, 2013 15:14:55 AG Restringere wrote: > It's very simple: > > Nvidia "certifies" a drive

Re: [nvidia-graphics-drivers] frustration with slow Nvidia drivers release schedule

2013-09-06 Thread Sergio Schvezov
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Paulo Roberto de Oliveira Castro < p.oliveira.cas...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2013/9/6 Jordon Bedwell > >> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Paulo Roberto de Oliveira Castro >> wrote: >> > 2013/9/2 Jordon Bedwell >> >> >> >> my suggestion is your realize the real facts

Re: [nvidia-graphics-drivers] frustration with slow Nvidia drivers release schedule

2013-09-06 Thread Jordon Bedwell
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Paulo Roberto de Oliveira Castro wrote: > 2013/9/2 Jordon Bedwell >> >> my suggestion is your realize the real facts >> that all operating systems provide outdated drivers and it's your job >> to update them if you want the latest drivers and to expect the distro

Re: [nvidia-graphics-drivers] frustration with slow Nvidia drivers release schedule

2013-09-06 Thread Paulo Roberto de Oliveira Castro
2013/9/2 Jordon Bedwell > my suggestion is your realize the real facts > that all operating systems provide outdated drivers and it's your job > to update them if you want the latest drivers and to expect the distro > to be able to keep up like that is silly to say the least. > That's a lie. On

Re: [nvidia-graphics-drivers] frustration with slow Nvidia drivers release schedule

2013-09-06 Thread Paulo Roberto de Oliveira Castro
2013/9/6 Jordon Bedwell > On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Paulo Roberto de Oliveira Castro > wrote: > > 2013/9/2 Jordon Bedwell > >> > >> my suggestion is your realize the real facts > >> that all operating systems provide outdated drivers and it's your job > >> to update them if you want the

Re: 13.10 (Saucy Salamander) Beta 1 Released!

2013-09-06 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 6 September 2013 15:05, Andreas Hasenack wrote: > I'm a bit confused, sorry > > On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Kate Stewart wrote: >> >> Welcome to Saucy Salamander Beta 1 release, which will in time >> become the 13.10 release. >> > > Ok, Beta 1 > >> >> This alpha features images for Edubunt

Re: 13.10 (Saucy Salamander) Beta 1 Released!

2013-09-06 Thread Andreas Hasenack
I'm a bit confused, sorry On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Kate Stewart wrote: > Welcome to Saucy Salamander Beta 1 release, which will in time > become the 13.10 release. > > Ok, Beta 1 > This alpha features images for Edubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu, > Ubuntu GNOME, UbuntuKylin, Ubuntu Studio and

Re: Confusing about building OpenStack Packages?

2013-09-06 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Sep 04, 2013 at 11:23:13PM +0800, Ray Sun wrote: >1. In step 5, we already can generate the deb packages without '-S', but >why we finally use 'sbuild' to generate it? Is this only for signature? >2. What's the difference between 'bzr builddeb' and 'sbuild'? The answer to both