Re: CLI friendliness

2009-11-20 Thread Shentino
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) < jonat...@ubuntu.com> wrote: > Shentino wrote: > > * MUDs > > * SSH > > * Kernel development > > > > Generally, how friendly is ubuntu planning to be with users like me? > > You can do a minimal install that will give you just VT's t

RE: "tree" package to be included out-of-the-box

2009-11-20 Thread Ethan Baldridge
I'm with you on vim (and also changing the /etc/alternatives/vi alias on its install -- the number of times I've hit a cursor key while in insert mode only to shake my fist at the monitor...) Oh well, hjkl is where it's at anyway, right? :) I'd never heard of tree until just now - seems like it

Re: "tree" package to be included out-of-the-box

2009-11-20 Thread Daniel Robitaille
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Chris Jones wrote: > Ok, this is really starting to bug me. Why is the "tree" package not > installed by default in Ubuntu? Other distros such as Fedora have it > installed by default. > > I know it's easy enough to install at only ~500kb, but it irks me as > it's

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-11-20 Thread Chan Chung Hang Christopher
> Mac OS X Client & Server is pretty good here. The flexibility is > limited, but if you do things the predefined way you can be pretty > sure not to open up a disaster. > > BTW., setting up ssh access, FTP or a simple web server is as easy as > clicking a single button in Mac OS X. I've yet

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-11-20 Thread Chan Chung Hang Christopher
> On the otherhand however we see that a gui has one major advantage: It > visually displays you all the options you have directly and thus, if you > are looking for something, but are unsure what it is, you can just > search through the submenus until you find the right checkbox/dropdown > menu e

"tree" package to be included out-of-the-box

2009-11-20 Thread Chris Jones
Ok, this is really starting to bug me. Why is the "tree" package not installed by default in Ubuntu? Other distros such as Fedora have it installed by default. I know it's easy enough to install at only ~500kb, but it irks me as it's a command I use all the time and I think it is just something/a

Re: Insufficiencies in Karmic's battery behavior

2009-11-20 Thread Danny Piccirillo
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 19:38, Dylan McCall wrote: > > Karmic's adoption of DeviceKit-Power and the latest Gnome-Power-Manager > has > > changed the way the GUI reports remaining battery time. > > To keep the thoughts flowing, I have a question: Is there a > performance / power efficiency gain fr

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-11-20 Thread Sebastian Geiger
I have been reading the discussion so far, and would also like to say a few words about it. Because I feel that both sides here have some valid points. On the one hand of course it is true that stupid people will do stupid things. It doesnt matter if you work on console or on gui. To oversimplify i

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-11-20 Thread Joseph Miller
> > In this case, the GUI isn't well thought. For one, a GUI can have > instructions in form of context sensitive messages. For two, with a GUI it's > much easier to fit checks in which prevents users from shooting into their > foot. > I disagree. A sysadmin who doesn't understand the concepts of

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-11-20 Thread Derek Broughton
Christopher Chan wrote: > Luke L wrote: >> I read some comments on this thread, and I feel I must chime in, >> because I get furious at the anti-GUI people. >> > > Where? Where? I don't remember anybody being explicitly anti-GUI. No, it's been explicitly anti-anybody-who-can't-configure-a-ser

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-11-20 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 20.11.2009 um 13:25 schrieb Joseph Miller: > And either way, GUI or non-GUI - you can set it up completely wrong > if you don't read the instructions. In this case, the GUI isn't well thought. For one, a GUI can have instructions in form of context sensitive messages. For two, with a GU

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

2009-11-20 Thread Joseph Miller
> It's been said before, and I will say it again. Stupid people will do > stupid things, one way or another. I do know that often times, with > repeatable tasks and with things that can be done step-by-step, a GUI > can be useful in keeping the learning curve low. Can a low learning > curve make so