[Bug 535120] Re: Please add option -f and -F to shutdown for LPIC compatibility

2010-03-11 Thread Marc_Richter
Hi Scott, Thank you for your efford in this! That might work, but I see this one in the same kind as editing the /etc/fstab and setting the sixth field (fs_passno) to 0: You have to permanently change something prior to booting. This doesn't work on a "once" basis like the Triggers -f and -F of

Re: [Bug 535120] Re: Please add option -f and -F to shutdown for LPIC compatibility

2010-03-11 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 12:04 +, Marc_Richter wrote: > So, to come to one level here: Do you see my point with the > no-realistic-workarround-available ? Don't be mad with me please, but > I still don't see how to practically work with your "cancel when it > happens" solution in remote sites. Co

[Bug 535120] Re: Please add option -f and -F to shutdown for LPIC compatibility

2010-03-11 Thread Marc_Richter
OK, that's a good point ;D So, to come to one level here: Do you see my point with the no-realistic-workarround-available ? Don't be mad with me please, but I still don't see how to practically work with your "cancel when it happens" solution in remote sites. Could you please explain how your i

Re: [Bug 535120] Re: Please add option -f and -F to shutdown for LPIC compatibility

2010-03-11 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 14:45 +, Marc_Richter wrote: > > No, it was a deliberately not-implemented feature. > > Why should it become deliberately removed without a replacement > available? And how do you know that it happened on a deliberately basis? > Have you found this in any changelog where

[Bug 535120] Re: Please add option -f and -F to shutdown for LPIC compatibility

2010-03-10 Thread Marc_Richter
> No, it was a deliberately not-implemented feature. Why should it become deliberately removed without a replacement available? And how do you know that it happened on a deliberately basis? Have you found this in any changelog where it reads "has been not implemented because of ..."? -- Please a

[Bug 535120] Re: Please add option -f and -F to shutdown for LPIC compatibility

2010-03-10 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 12:08 +, Marc_Richter wrote: > Re-Changed it's status to "new", because it definately is a falsely > removed feature which breaks compatibility and removes a function which > can't be issued otherwise. > No, it was a deliberately not-implemented feature. Do not change a

[Bug 535120] Re: Please add option -f and -F to shutdown for LPIC compatibility

2010-03-10 Thread Marc_Richter
Re-Changed it's status to "new", because it definately is a falsely removed feature which breaks compatibility and removes a function which can't be issued otherwise. ** Changed in: upstart (Ubuntu) Status: Won't Fix => New -- Please add option -f and -F to shutdown for LPIC compatibility

[Bug 535120] Re: Please add option -f and -F to shutdown for LPIC compatibility

2010-03-09 Thread Marc_Richter
OK: Let's assume you install Ubuntu onto a server. And for any reason, you'd like to restart it. In most of the cases you'll do that remotely after logging in by ssh while the system stands at your ISP. How to abort a check "while it is happening"? Sorry, that lacks any reality. Not everyone use

Re: [Bug 535120] Re: Please add option -f and -F to shutdown for LPIC compatibility

2010-03-09 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 22:40 +, Marc_Richter wrote: > Pardon? First: The LPI (Linux Professional Institute) isn't a distro and > their certification is the most spread one within the whole Linux world. > If Ubuntu doesn't at least efford to close up to their content, then it > will loose it's s

[Bug 535120] Re: Please add option -f and -F to shutdown for LPIC compatibility

2010-03-09 Thread Marc_Richter
Pardon? First: The LPI (Linux Professional Institute) isn't a distro and their certification is the most spread one within the whole Linux world. If Ubuntu doesn't at least efford to close up to their content, then it will loose it's status as a professional distro sooner or later. Second: Which w

[Bug 535120] Re: Please add option -f and -F to shutdown for LPIC compatibility

2010-03-09 Thread Scott James Remnant
I disagree. The subset of options supported by Upstart for things like shutdown are the most common subset of System V-style UNIXes. I'm not interested in supporting every option or flag added by every variant and distro over the years, there are too many and they conflict. The Upstart shutdown