[TLS] Re: Adoption call for RFC 9147bis

2024-12-05 Thread Muhammad Usama Sardar
On 02.12.24 18:38, Joseph Salowey wrote: If you object to the adoption of this document please respond to this thread by December, 9 2024. Based on this, I would have expected only those objecting to respond. But since those supporting the draft are also responding, so here goes my support f

[TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for TLS 1.2 is in Feature Freeze

2024-12-05 Thread John Mattsson
I agree with David, I think “and provides excellent security as-is” should be removed. John From: David Benjamin Date: Wednesday, 4 December 2024 at 18:57 To: John Mattsson Cc: Salz, Rich , Sean Turner , TLS List Subject: Re: [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for TLS 1.2 is in Feature Freeze

[TLS] Re: MLKEM or Khyber KX

2024-12-05 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Sat, Nov 02, 2024 at 07:12:02AM +, John Mattsson wrote: > Eric Rescorla wrote: > >Is reuse of ML-KEM keys worse in some way than the reuse of ECDHE keys? > > No reuse of ephemeral keys is always bad. But ML-KEM is specifically designed (IND-CCA2, via FO transform) to support key reuse, wi

[TLS] Re: Adoption call for RFC 9147bis

2024-12-05 Thread Ben Smyth
On Thu, 5 Dec 2024, 09:29 Muhammad Usama Sardar, < muhammad_usama.sar...@tu-dresden.de> wrote: > On 02.12.24 18:38, Joseph Salowey wrote: > > > If you object to the adoption of this document please respond to this > > thread by December, 9 2024. > > Based on this, I would have expected only those

[TLS] Re: MLKEM or Khyber KX

2024-12-05 Thread Loganaden Velvindron
Agreed. I hope that this becomes a MUST. On Fri, 1 Nov 2024 at 22:30, John Mattsson wrote: > > >and would warmly welcome it being a MUST in the IETF specification of the > ML-KEM TLS hybrids. > > > +1 > > Let’s try to make that happen > https://github.com/post-quantum-cryptography/draft-kwiatko

[TLS] Re: draft-connolly-tls-mlkem-key-agreement

2024-12-05 Thread Russ Housley
I hope so. Can we start an adoption call? Russ > On Dec 5, 2024, at 4:08 PM, Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer) > wrote: > > How do we proceed with this draft? > > This draft is quite boring (which is good from a cryptographical > perspective); it just says ‘take ML-KEM and insert it as a key agreem

[TLS] draft-connolly-tls-mlkem-key-agreement

2024-12-05 Thread Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
How do we proceed with this draft? This draft is quite boring (which is good from a cryptographical perspective); it just says 'take ML-KEM and insert it as a key agreement into TLS in the obvious way'. I understand that people want to discuss the hybrid KEM draft more (because there are more

[TLS] Re: MLKEM or Khyber KX

2024-12-05 Thread Watson Ladd
On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 7:31 AM Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 02, 2024 at 07:12:02AM +, John Mattsson wrote: > > > Eric Rescorla wrote: > > >Is reuse of ML-KEM keys worse in some way than the reuse of ECDHE keys? > > > > No reuse of ephemeral keys is always bad. > > But ML-KEM is speci

[TLS] Re: draft-connolly-tls-mlkem-key-agreement

2024-12-05 Thread John Mattsson
+1 From: Russ Housley Date: Thursday, 5 December 2024 at 22:20 To: Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer) Cc: IETF TLS Subject: [TLS] Re: draft-connolly-tls-mlkem-key-agreement I hope so. Can we start an adoption call? Russ On Dec 5, 2024, at 4:08 PM, Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer) wrote: How do we proceed