Re: [TLS] Call to Move RFC 8773 from Experimental to Standards Track

2023-12-03 Thread Eric Rescorla
What do we have in terms of formal analysis for this extension? -Ekr On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 11:40 AM Russ Housley wrote: > I think this should move forward. I am encouraged that at least two > people have spoken to me about their implementations. > > Russ > > On Nov 29, 2023, at 10:51 AM, Jos

Re: [TLS] Call to Move RFC 8773 from Experimental to Standards Track

2023-12-03 Thread Deirdre Connolly
At least one bit of work: https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3548606.3559360 On Sun, Dec 3, 2023, 3:23 PM Eric Rescorla wrote: > What do we have in terms of formal analysis for this extension? > > -Ekr > > > On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 11:40 AM Russ Housley wrote: > >> I think this should move forwa

Re: [TLS] Call to Move RFC 8773 from Experimental to Standards Track

2023-12-03 Thread Deirdre Connolly
Whoops wrong one, strike that On Sun, Dec 3, 2023, 3:28 PM Deirdre Connolly wrote: > At least one bit of work: > https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3548606.3559360 > > On Sun, Dec 3, 2023, 3:23 PM Eric Rescorla wrote: > >> What do we have in terms of formal analysis for this extension? >> >> -E

Re: [TLS] Call to Move RFC 8773 from Experimental to Standards Track

2023-12-03 Thread Eric Rescorla
To respond directly to the call: I think we should require some level of formal analysis for this kind of extension. If there is some, I think the WG should look at it to determine whether it's sufficient. If there isn't I think this should remain at experimental. Not having a normative downref is

Re: [TLS] Call to Move RFC 8773 from Experimental to Standards Track

2023-12-03 Thread Christian Huitema
+1 Reading RFC 8773, I feel at least a tension and maybe a contradiction between the stated motivation, resisting to quantum analysis by combining an [EC]DH derived secret and a PSK, and the use of the PSK alone to derive the early secret. If the early secret is used for 0-RTT, then the adver