> Julia Frizzell Wrote:
>
> But back to the GUI question -- I think having a GUI interface lulls
> a newbie into thinking "oh, this is just like Windows/MacOS" and it's
> really not. While there may be graphics on the screen, Linux (at
> least in gnome) does not operate like Windows or the MacOS.
On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Karl-Heinz Zimmer wrote:
> On 10/12/99, 5:42:54 PM, Samantha Jo Moore wrote:
>
> > R Pickett may be stating what DOS is supposed to do.
> > Let's not start a fight, OK?
>
> You are right!
>
> Sometimes my reactions are a little bit naughty when it
> comes to discuss the DO
On 10/12/99, 5:42:54 PM, Samantha Jo Moore wrote:
> R Pickett may be stating what DOS is supposed to do.
> Let's not start a fight, OK?
You are right!
Sometimes my reactions are a little bit naughty when it
comes to discuss the DOS vs. Linux thing.
I should have answered in a more polite way,
>Hi there,
Howdy, Telsa!
>>>But unless everything you're told to do in a HOWTO works
>>>first time, you're stuck, in my experience.
>> I don't agree.
>I was sure someone would have a different view, yes :) But is the
>reply concerning my experience with HOWTOs, or what I said e
Hi, Telsa,
> My condolences on the humidity, then :) (It's the one place in the
> US I've visited, and I felt like I was melting. And that was the
> spring
It's one of the best high tech markets in the country, though. Our
unemployment rate in the computer industry is nearly zero. If you have
Hi there,
I said,
> >minutes later. HOWTOs are, I think, great for people who know 'what
> >they want to do' and just aren't sure they're covering everything in
> >the route there. But unless everything you're told to do in a HOWTO works
> >first time, you're stuck, in my experience. They're m
ge-
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Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 1:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [techtalk] request for ideas
Hi all.
I'm thinking about writing a "New User's Guide to Linux" (
Telsa,
>I think this is very common. I tend to find that if I am struggling
>with something, and I periodically look back at a HOWTO, I understand
>a line or section more every so often. Like, a week later, not five
>minutes later. HOWTOs are, I think, great for people who know 'what
>they want
On Tue, Oct 12, 1999 at 11:06:40AM -0400 or thereabouts, Julia Frizzell wrote:
> At 12:44 PM -0700 10/11/99, Vinnie Surmonde wrote:
>
> >Plus, the idea that GUI == easier is...hmm..not exactly wrong..a GUI can
> >be easier under many circumstances, but a GUI is not necessarily easier
> >under all
> Sorry, but I disagree. Having played with DOS, Win 3.1, Win 3.11, Win95,
> Win98, C, C++, Visual C++ and Visual Basic, rebuilt several computers from
> the motherboard up, and installed more drivers and configured more dip
> switches (remember them?) than I care to count, the idea that an operat
> On 10/11/99, 11:37:42 PM, wrote erroneously:
>
> > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Karl-Heinz Zimmer wrote:
>
> > > So smart DOS does some very nice thing: *without* asking
> > > the user it overwrites the contents of the disk. The
> > > cached directory contents are written just over the *real*
> > >
At 12:44 PM -0700 10/11/99, Vinnie Surmonde wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, lisa daly wrote:
>
> > I must disagree with this. GUI's are great if you
> > don't care what's going on under the hood. But to
> > truly learn linux, you need the command line. It's
[snip]
>Plus, the idea that GUI == eas
lisa>>
>> I must disagree with this. GUI's are great if you
>> don't care what's going on under the hood. But to
>> truly learn linux, you need the command line.
caity>
>The target audience, which I presume is the mainstream, for the most
part
>couldn't care less what's going on under the hood.
On 10/11/99, 11:37:42 PM, R Pickett wrote erroneously:
> On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Karl-Heinz Zimmer wrote:
> > So smart DOS does some very nice thing: *without* asking
> > the user it overwrites the contents of the disk. The
> > cached directory contents are written just over the *real*
> > directo
Deb Richardson wrote:
> All suggestions, comments, ideas are appreciated.
I think the number one thing a beginner needs to know starting out is
where to look for help. This starts with where you might find it on your
install CD and then once you install, where you might find help on your
HD. I
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:11:19 -0700 (PDT), R Pickett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Indeed; I was just trying to respond to the allegation that typing
>'dir a:' would fubar a disk after a disk change.
In theory it could _if_ the driver is using write caching. What could
in theory happen is a sector
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Wendt,Andrew wrote:
> What is it you'd want the floppy drive to tell the OS?
well, on many (if not most) hardware platforms the disk (cdrom or floppy)
cannot be ejected unless it's unmounted
granted, this can be annoying when you want that cd *now* and who cares
which user
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Janus wrote:
> the most common way to pass viruses was not, despite the hype, the
> internet, but booting Wintel with a floppy in the A drive.
not just booting -- *accessing* an infected floppy could infect your
machine. Annoying as all get out.
Vinnie
-- Reality is a f
At 03:52 PM 10/11/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>the only major security thing I can think of regarding automounting
>floppies would be boot sector viruses, except that I've never met a boot
>sector virus for linux, so while that would be an issue (and a major
>one...) under dos/win95/win98, but not lin
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, you wrote:
>No, the disk would not automatically execute, but if you allow Linux to
>boot up off of floppy, and someone else sticks their floppy in that
>drive then hard-reboots the computer, you have an issue.
This will happen regardless of whether you automount the floppy u
Excerpts from linuxchix: 11-Oct-99 Re: [techtalk] request for .. by R
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I can see a scenario where 'dir a:' coughed up the incorrect information
> from the cache, and therefore lead to user error that caused the loss of
> data.
It is possible for a cache to cause misplaced data
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Wendt,Andrew wrote:
> You may already know this, but you can use the right alt key to get twelve more
> terminals. (Right-alt-f1 is terminal 13, etc...)
point, but that's only 24!
(I will say that the major use of X for me is to keep my 40 billion [okay,
closer to 30-40 dep
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Wendt,Andrew wrote:
> This will happen regardless of whether you automount the floppy under Linux
> won't it?
the only major security thing I can think of regarding automounting
floppies would be boot sector viruses, except that I've never met a boot
sector virus for linux
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, you wrote:
>editing (and then it's vi and pico, which are only nominally gui) and
>keeping my terminal windows sorted (alt-tab is nicer than alt-F1, not to
>mention it's nice to have more than 12 terminal windows up :) and being
You may already know this, but you can use the
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Laurel Fan wrote:
> Excerpts from linuxchix: 11-Oct-99 Re: [techtalk] request for .. by R
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > I can see a scenario where 'dir a:' coughed up the incorrect information
> > from the cache, and therefore lead to user error that caused the loss of
> > data.
>
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, you wrote:
>mount /mnt/floppy
>cd /mnt/floppy
>ls -l
>(Eject floppy, put in another one)
>ls -l
>(Cached contents of the first floppy come up, continue as above)
>
>So, I continue to allege that the PC hardware floppy model is horribly
>broken. Thank God almost all other
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Karl-Heinz Zimmer wrote:
> When reading the directory DOS notices that the contents are
> defferent from what it has in the cache. (Cache was filled
> with data when accessing the drive before.) So smart DOS does
> some very nice thing: *without* asking the user it overwrit
> Um... I have no idea what mounting does, and I didn't know it had to be
> done until I tried to get some files from my cd rom. Luckily for me, my
> friend (who set me up with linux in the first place when i got fed up with
> win98) doesn't think that people like me shouldn't be messing around w
Am 10/11/99, 10:40:25 PM, schrieb Kelly Lynn Martin:
> On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:47:03 -0500, Aaron Malone
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >Actually, you *do* have to tell Win/DOS that you've inserted
> >a floppy drive. You do so by typing "a:" then running
> >commands, or by double-clicking on the
Hi, Lisa,
>
> I must disagree with this. GUI's are great if you
> don't care what's going on under the hood. But to
> truly learn linux, you need the command line.
The target audience, which I presume is the mainstream, for the most part
couldn't care less what's going on under the hood. For t
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:47:03 -0500, Aaron Malone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Actually, you *do* have to tell Win/DOS that you've inserted a floppy
>drive. You do so by typing "a:" then running commands, or by
>double-clicking on the "3 1/2 Floppy (A:)" icon. The advantage in
>this is that the ac
Jim Browning wrote:
> Just This Girl wrote:
>
> > I rather like the security of having to mount/umount, and having to have
> root
> > access to do so. It prevents suspect users from inserting boot disks that
> could
> > have undesired consequences.
>
> Now I'll really show my lack of Linux famili
No, the disk would not automatically execute, but if you allow Linux to
boot up off of floppy, and someone else sticks their floppy in that
drive then hard-reboots the computer, you have an issue.
Also, who the hell knows what is on that floppy disk that could
contaminate or crack your system? If
On Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 01:37:03PM -0500, Jim Browning wrote:
> Sorry, but I disagree. Having played with DOS, Win 3.1, Win 3.11, Win95,
> Win98, C, C++, Visual C++ and Visual Basic, rebuilt several computers from
> the motherboard up, and installed more drivers and configured more dip
> switches
Just This Girl wrote:
> I rather like the security of having to mount/umount, and having to have
root
> access to do so. It prevents suspect users from inserting boot disks that
could
> have undesired consequences.
Now I'll really show my lack of Linux familiarity, but are you saying that
"mou
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, lisa daly wrote:
> I must disagree with this. GUI's are great if you
> don't care what's going on under the hood. But to
> truly learn linux, you need the command line. It's
more than that, there are times when a GUI is positively the wrong thing
to use -- i.e. I have fri
On Oct 11, Deidre L. Calarco conjectured:
> > For example: ME: "You have to mount the disk before you can read it."
> > HE: "Huh? Mount? What is mount? It's already in the drive!"
> > "Recompile the kernel? I don't want popcorn right now!"
> > "The scheduler? My calendar thingy on my Pal
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Jim Browning wrote:
> Sorry, but I disagree. Having played with DOS, Win 3.1, Win 3.11, Win95,
> Win98, C, C++, Visual C++ and Visual Basic, rebuilt several computers from
> the motherboard up, and installed more drivers and configured more dip
> switches (remember them?) tha
Hello to all:
I'm new to linuxchixglad to find a place where I
can be comfortable and not fed the usual RTFM line...
For a newbie, go with the
graphical stuff.
I must disagree with this. GUI's are great if you
don't care what's going on under the hood. But to
truly learn linux, you
There are automount utilities for Linux that will allow you to eject and insert
floppies without having to type the mount/umount set. This expands to work with
CDs, but I am not certain about ls120 or zip. I haven't used any automount
configurations yet.
I rather like the security of having to mo
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Jim Browning wrote:
> Sorry, but I disagree. Having played with DOS, Win 3.1, Win 3.11, Win95,
> Win98, C, C++, Visual C++ and Visual Basic, rebuilt several computers from
> the motherboard up, and installed more drivers and configured more dip
> switches (remember them?) tha
Hi, everyone,
> > For example: ME: "You have to mount the disk before you can read it."
> > HE: "Huh? Mount? What is mount? It's already in the drive!"
> > "Recompile the kernel? I don't want popcorn right now!"
> > "The scheduler? My calendar thingy on my Palm Pilot is good enough for
me!
Sorry, but I disagree. Having played with DOS, Win 3.1, Win 3.11, Win95,
Win98, C, C++, Visual C++ and Visual Basic, rebuilt several computers from
the motherboard up, and installed more drivers and configured more dip
switches (remember them?) than I care to count, the idea that an operating
syst
> For example: ME: "You have to mount the disk before you can read it."
> HE: "Huh? Mount? What is mount? It's already in the drive!"
> "Recompile the kernel? I don't want popcorn right now!"
> "The scheduler? My calendar thingy on my Palm Pilot is good enough for me!"
> "Cron? Oh, you m
> >>All suggestions, comments, ideas are appreciated.
What I have discovered in my encounters with non-unix people is the lack of
understanding of how things really work. Something explaining how it's put
together and how it really works would greatly enhance a person's understanding
of the bi
>>All suggestions, comments, ideas are appreciated.
>
> It's been a long time since I was a new Linux user, and I was a
> previous Unix user at that point, but I'll try to remember what
> problems I had (I do remember struggling endlessly with LILO to get it
> to recognize my hard drive, but I
Excerpts from linuxchix: 9-Oct-99 Re: [techtalk] request for .. by
"erica raspberry"@sedona
> How about how to save a file to a floppy disk?
Use mtools. It's easier than mounting stuff, and most likely you won't
mind using a dos formatted floppy.
> I downloaded a file the other day...and I h
How about how to save a file to a floppy disk?
I downloaded a file the other day...and I had no clue as to how to save it
to a disk...I know the floppy was mounted (and do you have to do that
everytime you reboot?...another question.)
I could see the file in the file manager but there seemed to
Deb Richardson wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> I'm thinking about writing a "New User's Guide to Linux" (to be released
> under an appropriate open-content license, of course :).
>
> I'm hacking together an outline for it at the moment, and I would like
> to know what you think such a Guide should inclu
On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 13:47:39 -0400, Deb Richardson wrote:
> I would like to know what you think such a Guide should
> include. Input from users of all experience levels would
> be appreciated. When you started with Linux, what
> stumbling blocks did you encounter? What did you find
> most diff
On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 13:47:39 -0400, Deb Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>I'm hacking together an outline for it at the moment, and I would
>like to know what you think such a Guide should include. Input from
>users of all experience levels would be appreciated. When you
>started with Linux
: Saturday, October 09, 1999 1:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [techtalk] request for ideas
Hi all.
I'm thinking about writing a "New User's Guide to Linux" (to be released
under an appropriate open-content license, of course :).
I'm hacking toge
On Sat, 9 Oct 1999, Deb Richardson imparted the following wisdom:
->Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 13:47:39 -0400
->From: Deb Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
->Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
->To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
->Subject: [techtalk] request for ideas
->
-&g
Hi all.
I'm thinking about writing a "New User's Guide to Linux" (to be released
under an appropriate open-content license, of course :).
I'm hacking together an outline for it at the moment, and I would like
to know what you think such a Guide should include. Input from users of
all experien
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