Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Kris Zentner
At my company we started with Supermicro, but eventually became an HP shop. Nothing against Dell, their hardware seems decent enough, but if you're going to have a large installation, you end up spending a lot of time with Supermicro doing things like manually assembling and sizing rails, going

Re: [lopsa-tech] Email appliances

2011-01-14 Thread Matt Lawrence
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, John Jasen wrote: > I may be in a vanishing category, but above and beyond network gear, I > hate appliances. There is almost always going to be a case where you > need it to do X in order to work within your environment, and the > appliance doesn't support X. So, you will be

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Skylar Thompson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/14/2011 08:39 PM, Brad Knowles wrote: > On Jan 14, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Brodie, Kent wrote: > >> The past year we've been purchasing Dell poweredge servers - lots of >> R710's, but also many of the other PowerEdge models. The drac6 >> management m

Re: [lopsa-tech] Question concerning the http request process

2011-01-14 Thread Charles Jones
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Paul Graydon wrote: > On 01/14/2011 04:27 PM, Brad Knowles wrote: > > On Jan 14, 2011, at 10:51 AM, John BORIS wrote: > > > >> In a troubleshooting class I took where the character in the class was > >> called "Ferd" ,yes Ferd not Fred, he would jump to conclusions

Re: [lopsa-tech] Question concerning the http request process

2011-01-14 Thread John BORIS
Brad, Trust me. I've been there before that is what gets me ticked off that I didn't see that when the problem first arose. >>> Brad Knowles 01/14/11 9:27 PM >>> On Jan 14, 2011, at 10:51 AM, John BORIS wrote: > In a troubleshooting class I took where the character in the class was > called "F

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Brad Knowles
On Jan 14, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Brodie, Kent wrote: > The past year we've been purchasing Dell poweredge servers - lots of > R710's, but also many of the other PowerEdge models. The drac6 > management modules work well for me. The perc controllers do raid > nicely. When we've had to contact Dell

Re: [lopsa-tech] Question concerning the http request process

2011-01-14 Thread Paul Graydon
On 01/14/2011 04:27 PM, Brad Knowles wrote: > On Jan 14, 2011, at 10:51 AM, John BORIS wrote: > >> In a troubleshooting class I took where the character in the class was >> called "Ferd" ,yes Ferd not Fred, he would jump to conclusions all the >> time. "Press isn't working! Change the motor. Oh the

Re: [lopsa-tech] Question concerning the http request process

2011-01-14 Thread Brad Knowles
On Jan 14, 2011, at 10:51 AM, John BORIS wrote: > In a troubleshooting class I took where the character in the class was > called "Ferd" ,yes Ferd not Fred, he would jump to conclusions all the > time. "Press isn't working! Change the motor. Oh the circuit breaker was > tripped." Today I must say

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Tracy Reed
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 03:45:39PM -0700, Charles Jones spake thusly: > echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan I tried this in my situation referenced in my original post about this. Didn't work. I was bummed. Never found out why, just rebooted. -- Tracy Reed http://tracyreed.org pgpe2

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Paul Graydon
On 01/14/2011 07:11 AM, Roy McMorran wrote: Most recently we've used the Sun x4170 with the Nehalem processors, and I'm probably looking for something similar (although perhaps with Westmere now). I'll probably consider Dell and HP, but I will also look at 'white box' vendors. I seem to remem

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Steven Kurylo
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Charles Jones wrote: > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Charles Jones   > wrote: >> >> echo "scsi scan-new-devices" > /proc/scsi/scsi > > Just for fun I googled again and it looks like now the thing to do is: > echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan > Hopef

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Charles Jones
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Charles Jones wrote: echo "scsi scan-new-devices" > /proc/scsi/scsi > Just for fun I googled again and it looks like now the thing to do is: echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan Hopefully I won't have to use that anytime soon. -Charles ___

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Charles Jones
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Tracy Reed wrote: I was able to verify that it had in fact created virtual disk number 4 as a > RAID 0. However, I didn't have a file to work with in /dev representing the > disk. The operating system simply refused to see the disk so that I could > actually do so

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Tracy Reed
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 01:46:22PM -0800, Steven Kurylo spake thusly: > While I don't like Dell too much either, we use third party drives and > cages all the time. Same with the HPs. Haven't tried it with our We use third party drives/cages in some machines also but it is a hassle that you have

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Steven Kurylo
> I don't want to have to pay > extortionate prices for hard drives either. I hate that a 6 bay hot swap > machine comes with blanks instead of drive trays. If you want more trays you > have to buy them from Dell with marked up Dell drives. I understand wanting to > only support drives known to wor

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Alexander Lobodzinski
Tracy on Dell servers: () The RAID card management tools leave MUCH to be desired as well. As far as I () can tell, the MegaCli package is the way to manage the PERC from the command () line in Linux. To work with it you have to hunt down the () MegaCli-1.01.39-0.i386.rpm tools since the tools are

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Paul Heinlein
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, Charles Jones wrote: > I've also maintained some instances of servers provided by smaller > vendors like Penguin Computing that seemed to work fairly well. I use and like Penguin Computing machines. The plus for me is that they are well tested with mainline Linux distributi

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Tracy Reed
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 01:59:39PM -0500, Brian Mathis spake thusly: > There's a reason they are the big guys. Slick marketing which appeals to the kind of guys who like to buy cool looking servers that talk a good game and stick me with their junk which isn't the best fit for our situation but ga

Re: [lopsa-tech] Email appliances

2011-01-14 Thread Charles Jones
My experience with the Barracuda Spam & Virus Firewall was a pleasant one. ___ Tech mailing list Tech@lists.lopsa.org https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators http://lops

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Charles Jones
As noted, a lot of $big_company use Dell and HP servers, for many good reasons. I have worked with both and had no real complaints, except for a headache or two with the Dell PERC raid controllers that seemed to be isolated incidents. I've also maintained some instances of servers provided by small

Re: [lopsa-tech] Email appliances

2011-01-14 Thread Jeremy Charles
(Sorry for the top-post... Corporate E-mail system...) We used to run Brightmail. I noticed that my rate of false-positive complaints at least quadrupled when Symantec acquired the product. Knowledgeable support also became difficult to obtain at that point and the software started requiring

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Justin Ellison
I posted a similar question to lopsa-discuss a few months back - here's the link to the thread: https://lopsa.org/pipermail/discuss/2010-August/005872.html Only the case of Oracle buying Sun could produce far fewer customers and far more profit :/ Justin On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Roy McM

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Brian Mathis
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Roy McMorran wrote: > Greetings, > Apologies in advance if I'm covering old ground here.  I'd swear I'd seen a > similar discussion recently but I haven't been able to find it in the > archives.  Anyway... > > I'm seeking recommendations for x86 based servers.  Hi

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
> Most recently we've used the Sun x4170 with the Nehalem processors, > and I'm probably looking for something similar (although perhaps with > Westmere now). I'll probably consider Dell and HP, but I will also > look at 'white box' vendors. I seem to remember hearing good things > about Silicon

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Brodie, Kent
MY APOLOGIES for the repost; I replied to the wrong thread (email appliances..) oops. Being a .edu, we were big fans of Sun hardware - with the various (large) .edu discounts they had, we have ended up with a huge collection of Sun models across the past few years, 2200, 2250, 4100, 4150, 4

Re: [lopsa-tech] Email appliances

2011-01-14 Thread Brodie, Kent
Being a .edu, we were big fans of Sun hardware - with the various (large) .edu discounts they had, we have ended up with a huge collection of Sun models across the past few years, 2200, 2250, 4100, 4150, 4170, and tons more. We've been pleased with all of 'em. But yes, sadly the recent events wi

Re: [lopsa-tech] Email appliances

2011-01-14 Thread Jesse Thompson
On 01/13/11, Iain Morris wrote: > On Jan 13, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Matt Lawrence wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > My boss has asked me to research email appliances.   > > > > >   > > > > > > > Any recommendations, suggestions or insights? > > > > > > We have had good luck with the Sophos

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Doug Hughes
On 1/14/2011 12:52 PM, Steven Kurylo wrote: > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Daniel Pittman wrote: >> On Jan 14, 2011 9:12 AM, "Roy McMorran" wrote: >> >>> Apologies in advance if I'm covering old ground here. I'd swear I'd seen >>> a similar discussion recently but I haven't been able to find

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Steven Kurylo
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Daniel Pittman wrote: > On Jan 14, 2011 9:12 AM, "Roy McMorran" wrote: > >> Apologies in advance if I'm covering old ground here.  I'd swear I'd seen >> a similar discussion recently but I haven't been able to find it in the >> archives.  Anyway... >> >> I'm seeki

Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Jan 14, 2011 9:12 AM, "Roy McMorran" wrote: > Apologies in advance if I'm covering old ground here. I'd swear I'd seen a similar discussion recently but I haven't been able to find it in the archives. Anyway... > > I'm seeking recommendations for x86 based servers. At my previous job we use

[lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations

2011-01-14 Thread Roy McMorran
Greetings, Apologies in advance if I'm covering old ground here. I'd swear I'd seen a similar discussion recently but I haven't been able to find it in the archives. Anyway... I'm seeking recommendations for x86 based servers. Historically we have been a Sun shop, and although it's probabl

Re: [lopsa-tech] Question concerning the http request process

2011-01-14 Thread John BORIS
Okay guys I want to thank everyone for all of the replies. The problem I had with this was with iptables. When I built this server three + years ago I never started iptables. I turned off SELinux and I did not implement a firewall on the server. For all the server sits on my LAN behind a few firew

Re: [lopsa-tech] Email appliances

2011-01-14 Thread Brad Knowles
On Jan 14, 2011, at 3:01 AM, Jonathan wrote: > At the risk of hijacking this thread, has anyone got any experience with > Symantec Brightmail? Available as a VMware image. I consulted with Symantec some years ago on their Norton Anti-Virus for Internet E-mail Gateways, and I have some knowledg

Re: [lopsa-tech] Email appliances

2011-01-14 Thread John Jasen
On 01/13/2011 10:17 PM, Matt Lawrence wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Brodie, Kent wrote: > >> Not sure "which kind" of email appliances to which you're shopping for, >> but..in terms of spam filtering, we really like the Barracuda line >> of products.Linux-based. They do the job, well. >

Re: [lopsa-tech] Email appliances

2011-01-14 Thread Matt Lawrence
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Tracy Reed wrote: > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 09:17:31PM -0600, Matt Lawrence spake thusly: >> networks isolated. And instead of a general purpose unix system bridging >> this, they want a single purpose, dedicated email appliance. > > Of course you realize that this "dedicated

Re: [lopsa-tech] Email appliances

2011-01-14 Thread Derek J. Balling
IronPort++ Seriously, I've never seen a mail appliance succeed that well at blocking spam and viruses, and require that little actual care and feeding. Yeah, it's extra coin, but it is SO SO worth it. D ___ Tech mailing list Tech@lists.lopsa.org https

Re: [lopsa-tech] Email appliances

2011-01-14 Thread Jonathan
On 14/01/11 07:51, Tracy Reed wrote: > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 09:17:31PM -0600, Matt Lawrence spake thusly: >> networks isolated. And instead of a general purpose unix system bridging >> this, they want a single purpose, dedicated email appliance. > Of course you realize that this "dedicated emai