Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

On 31-10-18 00:54, Leif Rasmussen wrote: Hello everyone! I recently wrote up a proposal page for public transport schedule data. This information would allow OpenStreetMap to store information about when or how often certain buses or trains arrive at a platform. https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Pro

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

Jo, Leif, My sincerest apologies. I couldn't find a request to vote on this list's archives. Must have overlooked it. Tijmen On 11-02-19 22:51, Jo wrote: The proposal was voted upon. On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 9:54 PM Tijmen Stam <mailto:mailingli...@iivq.net>> wrote:

[Tagging] Charging stations for commercial vehicles etc

For cars there is amenity=charging_station that allow one to plug in a cable. But in the Netherlands (and other places in Europe) there are now charging stations for buses that are so specific that they will probably not be used by vehicles other than the operator's, but maybe soon there will

[Tagging] Mirror setting marks

In the Netherlands and Belgiums, many trucking agencies and some industrial lots have a "Mirror adjusting place" (litteral translation of Spiegelafstelplaats), a series of markings on the ground to check the proper adjusting of a truck or bus's mirrors. An example can be seen at http://transpo

Re: [Tagging] Mirror setting marks

On 26-07-18 15:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I'm fine with your proposal, I just wondered if the name is appropriate. Is access to these sites regulated / opening hours, etc., is it just a kind of "parking space" (where you might not be allowed to park), etc. An alternative could be mirror_adju

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

> Thanks for the feedback on this proposal! Maintainability and corruption > of existing features seem to be the two biggest concerns, both of which I > have reduced in the new version of the proposal. I really like the idea > that Polyglot expressed on the talk page of the proposal of using a >

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Route=worship

Dear All, I am sending this RFC in order to receive some feedback regarding my OSM feature proposal for route=worship. The proposal can be found at <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Route%3DWorship> With regards, Tijmen Stam / IIVQ P.S. As this is my first pr

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Route=worship

On 01/17/2016 01:31 AM, Warin wrote: On 17/01/2016 10:56 AM, Tijmen Stam wrote: Dear All, I am sending this RFC in order to receive some feedback regarding my OSM feature proposal for route=worship. The proposal can be found at <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Ro

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Route=worship

On 17-01-16 21:30, Tom Pfeifer wrote: Tijmen Stam wrote on 2016/01/17 00:56: Dear All, I am sending this RFC in order to receive some feedback regarding my OSM feature proposal for route=worship. I'd prefer to keep the value of 'route' restrained to the mode of locomotion,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Route=worship

On 17-01-16 16:30, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2016-01-17 2:51 GMT+01:00 Tijmen Stam mailto:mailingli...@iivq.net>>: My proposal route=worship is a route (usually short) with fixed places where one should worship. In short, I feel that a (for example) station of the cross

Re: [Tagging] Removing name_1 and alt_name_1 from Wiki

With the value "none" For example on German Autobahnen, where you can drive as fast as you want is "maxspeed=none" which is different from having maxspeed not set: this means maxspeed is unknown or not tagged yet. On 20-01-16 09:06, Colin Smale wrote: Exactly. If a missing value (i.e. use

Re: [Tagging] Removing name_1 and alt_name_1 from Wiki

In what case would that add valud information compared to having no such tag ? Gerd *Von:* Colin Smale *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 24. Januar 2016 10:58 *An:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools; Tijmen Stam *Betreff:* Re: [Tagg

Re: [Tagging] Discussion about Multivalued Keys

On 27-01-16 18:40, Tod Fitch wrote: On Jan 27, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Malcolm Herring wrote: On 27/01/2016 16:36, Frederik Ramm wrote: One thing that I would like to see discussed is ordering. There should be allowance for both ordered and unordered multiple values. Whether this is left to th

Re: [Tagging] Is a reference a name if it is actually used as a name on the ground ?

On 06-02-16 00:22, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 00:14 +0100, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: For residential streets, we have a well-known and documented naming scheme as follows: - name=* bears the official name - loc_name=* bears a local name, which is often an old name but what matte

[Tagging] Model railroad exhibition/show

Is there a proper tag for a model railroad layout open to the public? I am talking about small-scale, non-ridable layouts inside a building, and am thinking about a leisure= tag on a node. I explicitly do NOT want to layout the entire rail. Examples: http://www.train-miniature-gaillacois.fr/crb

Re: [Tagging] Model railroad exhibition/show

ch as Green Country MRC in Sand Springs, OK or Columbia Gorge MRC in Portland, OR? (I get the abbreviations for these backwards for obvious reasons). On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 5:45 AM, Tijmen Stam mailto:mailingli...@iivq.net>> wrote: Is there a proper tag for a model railroad layout open to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - scheduled lifecycle value

On 28-05-16 21:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Il giorno 28 mag 2016, alle ore 12:29, Joachim ha scritto: What do you mean by "yet another" level? At the moment there is only proposed and construction, planned is considered the same as proposed. what about construction

Re: [Tagging] Turn Lane Tagging?

On 11-06-16 04:16, James Mast wrote: I've been using the "turn:lanes:*=none;slight_right" & "slight_left;none" tags to indicate which side a new lane has been added on a highway when going from 1 to 2 lanes (sometimes "slight_left;slight_right" if the original lane is centered between the two new

Re: [Tagging] Turn Lane Tagging?

On 2016-06-11 23:11, Tijmen Stam wrote: On 11-06-16 04:16, James Mast wrote: I've been using the "turn:lanes:*=none;slight_right" & "slight_left;none" tags to indicate which side a new lane has been added on a highway when going from 1 to 2 lanes (sometimes &quo

Re: [Tagging] Turn Lane Tagging?

On 12-06-16 04:11, Brad Neuhauser wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Tijmen Stam mailto:mailingli...@iivq.net>> wrote: On 2016-06-11 23:11, Tijmen Stam wrote: On 11-06-16 04:16, James Mast wrote: I've been using the "turn:lanes:*=n

[Tagging] Additions to public_transport scheme

Hello, I suggest two additions to the public transport scheme: 1. a "placename" (or "place") tag for stop_position, platform and stop_area. I notice that most public transport companies have a somewhat separate idea of a place name and a stop name. For example: "New York, Grand Central Termin

Re: [Tagging] Additions to public_transport scheme

On 07-07-16 01:28, John Willis wrote: On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:39 AM, Tijmen Stam wrote: 1. a "placename" (or "place") tag for stop_position, platform and stop_area. I notice that most public transport companies have a somewhat separate idea of a place name and a stop name

Re: [Tagging] Additions to public_transport scheme

On 07-07-16 08:15, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 07/07/2016 08:04 AM, Tijmen Stam wrote: It's the place the stop is _in_. We usually resolve such issues by looking at the surrounding administrative area polygons. You will see that, for example, we have long since stopped tagging a village

Re: [Tagging] Additions to public_transport scheme

>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Tijmen Stam wrote: >> >> No, that's not at all what I mean! >> >> It's the place the stop is _in_. > > Yea, I know. > > But it is the same idea : turn here for Los Angeles. > > Get off here for downtown los a

Re: [Tagging] Bus routes forward/backward

On 13-07-16 22:35, Kieron Thwaites wrote: On 13 July 2016 at 12:57, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: +1. Some people also add a third relation (route master) to group the two (plus eventual variants). This should be considered mandatory. What is also done in the Netherlands is grouping all the r

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

> > > sent from a phone > >> Il giorno 27 lug 2016, alle ore 21:01, Kevin Kenny >> ha scritto: >> >> foot=permit >> permit:website=https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/wpres.htm >> permit:phone=+1(209)372-0200 > > > this tagging only works with one type of permit at a time, if > motor_vehicle=pe

Re: [Tagging] bus networks in Hong Kong

> > > sent from a phone > >> Il giorno 01 ago 2016, alle ore 17:51, Michael Tsang >> ha scritto: >> >> What should I type in for the network=* tag for the bus routes such that >> it is least surprising and least confusing for data users? > > > You have written a lot about operators, but these go i

Re: [Tagging] Public transport routes with multiple reference numbers

> I can only tell you how I would do it with the current scheme. If some day > in a very distant future we'll have routes built up from segments, there > might be a better way then. > > 2016-08-03 8:55 GMT+02:00 Michael Tsang : > >> Dear all, >> >> How should I fill in the ref=* tag for public tran

Re: [Tagging] OSM in French and Dutch [or any monolingual]

On 11-08-16 18:38, André Pirard wrote: On 2016-08-09 11:37, joost schouppe wrote: Hi, Someone asked on Twitter about a rendering of OSM in Dutch and French to avoid the clutter of bilingual names in the standard rendering. https://twitter.com/iciBrussels/status/762743820358418432 The French r

Re: [Tagging] OSM in French and Dutch [or any monolingual]

On 16-08-16 00:30, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Il giorno 15 ago 2016, alle ore 23:37, Tijmen Stam ha scritto: A good samaritan could then write a script that in all officially multilangual areas why only in the "official" ones, and not in all multilin

Re: [Tagging] Disused bus stops

On 17-08-16 07:47, Michael Tsang wrote: Dear all, Should I place public_transport=platform on disused bus stops where no buses serve, but the infrastructure is still in place? What if the stop_position is marked on the ground, but no corresponding platform next to the highway? A stop_position

[Tagging] man_made=tunnel

Idea: to make a man_made=tunnel, analogous to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dbridge; to group together multiple ways that go trough one tunnel; such as the about-to-open aquaduct at http://www.openstreetmap.org/query?lat=52.33003&lon=5.06909#map=18/52.32418/5.06413 The adv

Re: [Tagging] man_made=tunnel

ures/man_made%3Dtunnel Le 21/08/2016 à 14:58, Tijmen Stam a écrit : Idea: to make a man_made=tunnel, analogous to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dbridge; to group together multiple ways that go trough one tunnel; such as the about-to-open aquaduct at http://www.openstreetmap.org/q

[Tagging] Busways

In the local Dutch forum there was a discussion on how to tag what I call busways*. a) as highway=service with access=no and bus=yes (or psv=yes) e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/364983960 b) as another highway type, such as highway=unclassified in cities and the country, or highway=motor

Re: [Tagging] test track tagging (vs highway=raceway)

On 30-10-16 00:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: btw. also this test track which I have seen personally, is mistagged as "raceway", while it actually is a private test track for new cars inside the production plant: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/6060348#map=14/48.6953/8.9940 (there's another one

Re: [Tagging] Busways

On 02-11-16 07:23, Tijmen Stam wrote: In the local Dutch forum there was a discussion on how to tag what I call busways*. BTW the forum discussion was at <https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=56173>. Note that the Dutch term "HOV" means Hoogwaardig Openbaar Vervo

Re: [Tagging] Busways

On 02-11-16 19:33, Hubert87 wrote: Hi, I think you should consider the access rights (access=no, bus=yes) and the road classification (highway=service/unclassified) as two separate things. First, I'm not proposing something new, I'm proposing to formalize (by documenting on the wiki) a practi

Re: [Tagging] Busways

On 02-11-16 20:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Il giorno 02 nov 2016, alle ore 19:33, Hubert87 ha scritto: I think you should consider the access rights (access=no, bus=yes) and the road classification (highway=service/unclassified) as two separate things. careful with

Re: [Tagging] Busways

On 03-11-16 11:55, Yves wrote: @Tijmen, IMHO there is very little chance to convince people to change the way we tag highways because of buses using them or not. Yves This saddens me, because I don't propose to "change the way of tagging", but to "formalize the current main practice of tagging

Re: [Tagging] Busways

On 06-11-16 02:30, Mark Wagner wrote: On Sat, 5 Nov 2016 16:42:47 +0100 Tijmen Stam wrote: On 03-11-16 11:55, Yves wrote: @Tijmen, IMHO there is very little chance to convince people to change the way we tag highways because of buses using them or not. Yves This saddens me, because I don&#

Re: [Tagging] Pedibus / Walking bus routes

On 19-10-16 13:34, Simon Poole wrote: Yes that seems to be a thing (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking_bus and https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedibus). We've locally (CH) received a question as to how to map such routes and there doesn't seem to be any established tagging outside of using

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

On 07-11-16 17:48, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2016-11-07 17:34 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić mailto:jan...@gmail.com>>: Here is an example of a not-a-roundabout without lights: https://goo.gl/maps/TVuMRZs59Kk It even has a roundabout sign, but the right

Re: [Tagging] Busways

On 07-11-16 00:06, Bill Ricker wrote: Thank you all, this thread caused me to notice my nearest mass-transit station hadn't been re-mapped since it was rebuilt ! Fix uploaded. With what type of highway? :-P ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstr

Re: [Tagging] Busways

On 06-11-16 22:45, Georg Feddern wrote: Am 02.11.2016 um 22:57 schrieb Tijmen Stam: On 02-11-16 20:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: careful with access=no, I suggest to use vehicle=no in this case, because you risk of excluding pedestrians (and other means of transport you didn't think

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bird Tower

On 08-11-16 20:04, markus schnalke wrote: Hoi, in the name of the mapping group UlmerAlb, I welcome you to discuss our proposal for tower:type=nesting_site to tag a man made bird nesting aid mounted on a mast or tower. In short: A bird tower is a man made mast or tower equipped with o

Re: [Tagging] dog toilets

On 09-11-16 15:24, joost schouppe wrote: Hi, Many cities have special little areas which are specifically meant to be used as a toilet area for dogs. They look like this: http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2420/844/320/Hondentoilet.jpg There is a proposal for this: https://wiki.openstreetmap

Re: [Tagging] stop area hierarchy

> Dear all, > > > The wiki page of public_transport=stop_area includes a sentence "For > larger interchanges it is often appropriate to organise stop areas into a > hierarchy. Heathrow Airport would for example consist of 5 terminals, a > coach station and two underground stations with many associa

Re: [Tagging] stop area hierarchy

On 15-11-16 18:26, Jo wrote: I tend to ignore those validator messages from JOSM. We could invent stop_area_group, but then we would simply get different warnings. When I make stop_area relations, I include everything that belongs together for one side of the road or that belongs to 1 platform

Re: [Tagging] stop area hierarchy

On 16-11-16 16:23, Jo wrote: In bus stations all stops have names like Brussels North Station Platform 1", so all the names are different, which is why I created separate stop_area there too. This is the situation where I create most stop_area relations. For the 69000 other stops around the coun

Re: [Tagging] dog toilets

On 21-11-16 09:02, joost schouppe wrote: Upon further thought on this subject which doubtlessly keeps all of you out of your sleep, here's a short analysis with my conclusion: dog_toilet: plus: it is very clear what it means, even for non-native speakers min: * we would need cat_toilet, hamster_

Re: [Tagging] Public transport cards

On 16-01-17 22:20, Warin wrote: Hi, There is a move away from public transport tickets to public transport cards. Is there any provision for these cards in OSM tagging? It should provide for; recharge of these cards from a shop and/or a vending machine. purchase of a card from a shop and/or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - dog toilets

On 20-01-17 09:36, joost schouppe wrote: Hi, There were some previous discussions on how we could tag designated areas for dogs to urinate/defecate. They are quite common, but unfortunately there are many different tags going around for lack of documentation. I have added a section to an old pr

Re: [Tagging] Mapping freeway stub ends?

+1 on highway=construction + construction=* + access is no if non-accessible If accessible (such as https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=delta%2C%20be#map=18/50.81538/4.40527&layers=N / https://www.google.nl/maps/place/P%2BR+Delta/@50.8154748,4.4032357,261m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47c3d

[Tagging] Tagging change_lanes

Hello, I'm hijacking this thread to ask about the change_lanes tag. There seem to be three ways of mapping the change_lanes in circulation, that can't all be correct. 1) I've always been using the JOSM Lanes and Road Attributes mappaint style. From it's help page

Re: [Tagging] Tagging change_lanes

On 06-05-17 09:45, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Tijmen Stam mailto:mailingli...@iivq.net>> wrote: Hello, I'm hijacking this thread to ask about the change_lanes tag. There seem to be three ways of mapping the change_lanes in circulation, tha

Re: [Tagging] Tagging change_lanes

On 06-05-17 07:46, Marc Gemis wrote: On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Tijmen Stam wrote: The use of this tag is VERY low as of yet (only 67) according to taginfo, but it's extremely useful. Do you mean the use of change:lanes ? Or of some particular value ? As far as I can see the tag is

[Tagging] How to tag monumental railcars

How does one tag a railcar/railway wagon that is standing somewhere as a monument, which is NOT a locomotive? See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dlocomotive> and

Re: [Tagging] rail routes and stations (rail question 1)

On 10-05-17 18:58, Bjoern Hassler wrote: Hi all, I've got the following question for clarification. Suppose you have a relation: osm:relation:route (type=route, route=train/...), with nodes as stops. (1) The wiki says that the node in this re

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

On 10-05-17 18:59, Bjoern Hassler wrote: Hello again, In an osm:relation:route (type=route, route=train/...), you have both platforms and stop positions. How is a particular platform associated with a stop that serves it? E.g. for public tra

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

On 12-05-17 00:06, Bjoern Hassler wrote: Hi Tijmen, many thanks. Yes, I understand the wiki that way too, i.e. suggest one stop_area for the station and associated infrastructure. Follow up question: In the relation you have .../stop/platform/stop/platform/stop/platform/... - would you agree w

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

On 12-05-17 00:14, Warin wrote: On 12-May-17 07:45 AM, Tijmen Stam wrote: On 10-05-17 18:59, Bjoern Hassler wrote: Hello again, In an osm:relation:route <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/relation:route> (type=route, route=train/...), you have both platforms and stop positions. Ho

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

On 12-05-17 20:12, Colin Smale wrote: How about a step back for a second here... What is the stop_position intended for? Who is it intended to help or inform? A bit of context would help to rank the possibilities. I remain by my earlier standpoint that a stop_position is too much detail for a ro

Re: [Tagging] How to tag monumental railcars

On 10-05-17 13:15, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 10 May 2017 at 10:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I believe in British English it should be "waggon". "Waggon was preferred in British English until a century ago and it still appears occasionally, but it is fast becoming archaic. In this century, the

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

On 12-05-17 23:44, Jo wrote: I think what I'm trying to say is: there are many more bus routes (and their variations) than train route relations to be mapped. If we insist that it has to be: stop_position platform so double tagging, I think I'll abandon and I'll understand that most people will

Re: [Tagging] How to tag monumental railcars

On 16-05-17 00:22, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 15 May 2017 at 22:04, Mark Bradley wrote: I have mapped several cabooses (UK brake vans), a type of non-revenue car, and technically these don't fall under the categories of rolling stock, freight cars, or passenger cars/coaches. As an en-GB native,

Re: [Tagging] Australian Solar Challenge Race

On 19-05-17 13:04, Warin wrote: Hi, There is a relationhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7107501#map=5/-24.173/134.723 for the World Solar Challenge that runs from Darwin to Adelaide. Presently tagged with; route=raceway highway=raceway This is run on public highways with normal traffic,

Re: [Tagging] Australian Solar Challenge Race

On 21-05-17 14:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2017-05-19 15:21 GMT+02:00 Tijmen Stam mailto:mailingli...@iivq.net>>: I think we should NOT tag these kinds of one-off routes, with no visible trace on the ground. I am not sure about this Australian one, but sometimes ther

[Tagging] man_made=tunnel

I propose a man_made=tunnel, analogous to man_made=bridge . This is meant to show a tunnel outline for tunnels that have multiple separate ways in them. Opinions? ___ Tagging mailing list T

[Tagging] "Temporary" road with once-per-half-hour access.

Hello, Near my parent's holiday cabin an earthslide-waiting-to-happen has rendered the normal road accessible only in daylight. An emergency road has been made, with the following characteristics: - open from 22:00 to 6:00 (when the main road is closed) - One-way, alternating every "30 minutes"

Re: [Tagging] "Temporary" road with once-per-half-hour access.

On 18-07-17 22:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 18. Jul 2017, at 22:11, Tijmen Stam wrote: At the start towards Abriès, an "access:forward = no" + "access:forward:conditional = yes @ (22:00-22:07, 22:30-22:37, ... )" tag over a short section, and

Re: [Tagging] "Temporary" road with once-per-half-hour access.

ection Aiguilles) was more than 255 characters long :-) Tijmen On 20-07-17 21:52, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2017-07-18 23:18 GMT+02:00 Tijmen Stam <mailto:mailingli...@iivq.net>>: On 18-07-17 22:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: At the start towards Abriès, an

Re: [Tagging] opening_hours for public transport routes?

On 13-11-17 01:51, Albert Pundt wrote: Is it common practice to represent the starts/ends of public transport route schedules with the opening_hours tag? For example, Red Rose Transit Route 1 in Lancaster, PA uses this

Re: [Tagging] Subway vs light rail

> In terms of verifiability, would you map a metro system consisting of > a single line that runs above the ground with full grade separation as > a subway in OSM? That depends. Is it legally a subway/metro/u-bahn? Is it marketed as a metro/subway/underground? E.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Re: [Tagging] route/forward/backward members in all types of routes

> Very well. It seems to me that a role such as "route" in PTv1 exists > only for clarity, as it would be equivalent to an empty role. Could we > say that "forward" also can be optionally added in PTv2 for clarity? No. The forward/backward is not relative to the direction of the _route_, but rela

Re: [Tagging] Urbex

On 09-01-18 08:01, Michal Fabík wrote: On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 1:35 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Should it be mapped at all? Hi, I don't think it should be mapped. I used to take part in it years ago and I can tell you that the environments where UrbEx can be practiced are so highl

Re: [Tagging] Water source types

On 12-01-18 22:04, Cez jod wrote: Dear Cez, Every e-mail you have posted on this topic has started a new thread in my mail program (thunderbird). I now have literally 20 separate threads on Water Source types, 1 by the original poster (Daniel Koć), 19 by you. Could you fix your e-mail progra