Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 3:09 AM, fly wrote: > Hey > > I wonder if it is useful to tag bicycle=dismount on ways. > > At least in Germany there is no official traffic sign despite of the > existence of some. > > You are allowed to push your bike on every footway/pedestrian plus ways > with vehicle=n

[Tagging] Topographic place names

2013-12-10 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, My cycletouring map, http://cycletour.org, has been slowly morphing into a general topographic map[1]. One thing that's missing, though, is names for topographic features like mountain ranges, spurs, and general areas. Looking at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:En:Key:natural

Re: [Tagging] Topographic place names

2013-12-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > the question should be: how to map a mountain range, as it seems we can't > represent these kind of features (very big, blurry borders, not mappable in > high zoom levels) well in our data model. That's the ma

Re: [Tagging] Topographic place names

2013-12-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Andrew Errington wrote: > On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 19:26:55 Steve Bennett wrote:Yes please! I just added > some hiking trails and had a named spur[1] that I > wanted to record. I used place=locality, but it seems wrong for the same > reasons you give.

Re: [Tagging] Topographic place names

2013-12-12 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:24 PM, bulwersator wrote: > With mountain ranges there would be a major problem where node should be > placed. Carpathian Mountains cover 190 000 km² - good luck with edit wars > where node should be placed. > > It'd be a way, not a node. And maybe there are strong guid

Re: [Tagging] man_made=adit_entrance

2014-12-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > And tags for other mine entrance types? > > Would it not be better to have > > man_made=mine_entrance > type=adit etc > I'm a native speaker of English and I only came across the word "adit" relatively recently. To me it

Re: [Tagging] route=foot

2015-03-03 Thread Steve Bennett
Huh. And here in Australia (well, at least amongst the people I know) the difference between a "hike" and any other form of walking is strictly whether it's more than one day. A daywalk is, well, a day or less, and a hike is two or more days. But that doesn't cause me any concerns using "route=hik

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 3:10 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I have at least 2 problems with this definition: > > 1. It doesn't seem to be a British English term (at least not with > this definition) > 2. It seems to exclude the use for monasteries > (3. It was introduced without discussion or pro

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Brad Neuhauser wrote: > I think it'd make sense to broaden the definition: > "Sleeping and living quarters provided by an institution for (large numbers > of) people associated with that institution.  For example, housing for > university students." Yeah, I think

Re: [Tagging] fire alarms

2011-06-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:58 PM, fly wrote: >I wonder why many people try to force the approval of a tag by fast >votes on the wiki. A tag gets approved by uses in the data and software >handling it. I find it remarkable that after however many years of OSM's existence, statements like this are,

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 7:23 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > glad that this seems agreed (so far). How shall we deal with this > change in practical? Simply change the wiki page? Do we need a vote > for this? Maybe ask on the local lists? > > Are there any objections to simply change this in the w

Re: [Tagging] suitable tag for garden and forest machinery shop

2011-06-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:37 AM, Mihkel Rämmel wrote: > If i'm not wrong then there seems to be no tag for shop that is specialised > in selling (and repairing) garden and forest machinery (lawnmovers, > chainsaws, trimming machines, etc.) and lightweight garden/forest tools like > saws, shovels,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-06-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Josh Doe wrote: > All feedback is welcome. One problem I see with these kinds of proposals is that they map very well to a particular jurisdiction or standard, but will be very hard to apply elsewhere. Perhaps the distinction of <3cm, =3cm, >3cm is very common som

Re: [Tagging] Missing only_u_turn?

2011-06-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > I don't get it. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1630619/history > is the only one you've added - can you really not continue east on Google Streetview wasn't very enlightening either - looks like a bog-standard intersection t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-06-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:14 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > what about introducing a kerb:height ? Implying heights from values > like "yes", "raised", "normal" will probably not be very reliable or > stable as this might vary from country to country and also in > different cities/neighbourhoods

Re: [Tagging] Road center style

2011-07-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > I'm wondering if anyone's come up with a way to tag what lies between the > two directions of a single carriageway. Of course the most common is a > single or double line, possibly dashed. But there are other treatments such > as a paved

Re: [Tagging] Road center style

2011-07-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Hmmm. That seems a little complicated, combining separation between > directions with passing restrictions, and concentrates mostly on physical > dividers. I've started using center_turn_lane=yes, but have run into Whee, you're right. I t

[Tagging] highway=path, path=hiking

2011-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, I just came across this tag in taginfo, but there's no description in any wiki. Anyone know the story? Is this a good way to describe hiking paths, and to distinguish well-constructed walking paths from rough, narrow hiking trails? Steve ___ T

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Stamping_point

2011-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Zsolt Bertalan wrote: > I moved the proposal to an obsolete status and started a new proposal. I > don't want to change the body of the old proposal, because I think it can > mess things up during voting. I know voting doesn't mean much, but it's > better to have a

Re: [Tagging] highway=path, path=hiking

2011-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 11:51 PM, SomeoneElse wrote: > "highway=path, path=hiking" doesn't say any more to me than > "highway=footway" on its own would. The distinction is "well constructed" versus "rough, minimal maintenance". highway=path, path=hiking: http://www.publicdomainpictures.net/pictu

Re: [Tagging] highway=path, path=hiking

2011-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Dave F. wrote: > Describe the physical condition of a way, with tags such as 'surface' & let > the users decide if it's their idea of hikable. Let me say immediately that the ideology of "describe the physical characteristics, and let people make up their own mind

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hiking_checkpoint

2011-07-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Zsolt Bertalan wrote: > Is Themed Walk better than Tourism Movement or you just accept that it's a > thing coming from the Eastern Block and adopt the term for it? Heh...no one will ever understand what "tourism_movement" is meant to mean. Let's keep looking for t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hiking_checkpoint

2011-07-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Zsolt Bertalan wrote: > That's why we can NOT call the THING a route, trail, walk, etc. THIS would > be confusing. "trail" gets used in this metaphorical way, and it's not that confusing. Here's an example: http://www.thebellarinetastetrail.com.au/ That perfectl

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hiking_checkpoint

2011-07-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Zsolt Bertalan wrote: > OK, hiking_course sounds good to me too. > I understand that route, trail, etc could be applied also, but it sounds as > foreign and misleading to me as applying movement to you. But I am not a > native speaker, so that doesn't mean too much

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hiking_checkpoint

2011-07-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Zsolt Bertalan wrote: > checkpoint=hiking or cycling or whatever else I kind of like this, as it has scope to be used for other purposes. > and instead of hiking_course=value course=value? Still don't like "course". The term "course" is mostly associated with co

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - playground:splash_pad

2011-07-20 Thread Steve Bennett
Sounds good to me. I'd rather a clearly defined, unambiguous, possibly American term like "splash pad" than a less clear, but "more British" term like "water play area". Steve On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Matt wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/splash_pad > Please

Re: [Tagging] shop=farm shop=greengrocer

2011-07-25 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > I'm interested in propsing an icon for "shop=farm", for highlighting > roadside farm stands (this is a fun travel activity, as such farm stands are > often not listed in the Yellow pages or conventional maps). My first thought: there is so mu

Re: [Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:58 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I wonder if this definition which was formerly part of the description > for highway=unclassified is still valid: I love it when people are brave enough to question the semantics of very frequently used tags. FWIW, here's how I use un

Re: [Tagging] unless someone objects: amenity=truck_rental

2011-07-31 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > i'll add this alongside car_rental and bicycle_rental unless > someone makes a strong case against it. there are many > truck_rental sites in the US (common brands are UHaul, > Penske, and Ryder). And how will we handle places that hire both

Re: [Tagging] unless someone objects: amenity=truck_rental

2011-07-31 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > i can see the argument for reengineering "rental" space, but i just want to > get trunk rental into the amenity namespace for the time being. Yes, but that's the reason that tagging is such a mess. If the original "amenity=car_rental" had be

Re: [Tagging] unless someone objects: amenity=truck_rental

2011-07-31 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Richard Welty wrote: >> Maybe this: >> amenity=car_rental >> rental:truck=yes >> rental:car=no > equipment that's too expensive for most home owners to just buy. a > subcategory for that under amenity=car_rental seems peculiar. I wasn't proposing that. That's the

Re: [Tagging] mapping static museum ships

2011-07-31 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Pieren wrote: > You can reuse the existing entrance tags. According to the Richard Fairhurst > duck test, if it looks like a ship, is floating like a ship, it's a ship... > not a building magically floating on the water ;-) By the same test, a parked ship looks li

Re: [Tagging] Named gates

2011-07-31 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Sander Deryckere wrote: > Well, I just don't know any gates with names, exept city gates like the > Menin gate in Ypres, but they can't be closed and I should not tag it as > barrier=gate but rather as a building. I never heard of gates that can be > closed and ar

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Charging station

2011-08-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Mario wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Charging_station It lists amenity=fuel as a "combination". How would you combine amenity=charging_station and amenity=fuel? Steve ___ Tagging mailing l

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a sports club with a closed way

2011-08-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Dave F. wrote: > This is a general query that could apply to many organisations, but as an > example I'm going to use a tennis club to illustrate. > > This club has on it's site a car park, clubhouse, a garden & a few tennis > pitches. These I can tag individually

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Charging station

2011-08-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:43 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > Presumably, by the same location having both fuel pumps and a charging > station for electric vehicles. As separate nodes? Is there not a way they could be combined on one node? Steve ___ Tag

Re: [Tagging] Entrance and exit roads for parking lots: `service=?`

2011-08-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: > I agree on that too. Personally, I've been tagging them without any > additional tag, i.e., they're a plain highway=service to me. Me too, but adding service=parking_entrance seems ok. Although it could be worth thinking about how to consist

[Tagging] How to tag destroyed stuff?

2011-08-08 Thread Steve Bennett
There are two pedestrian/bicycle bridges in my area that were destroyed by a storm earlier in the year. What's the best way to tag them? Ideally, a renderer should be able to use the information to draw a big red X or something - there's quite a difference IMHO between absence of bridge and "there

Re: [Tagging] How to tag destroyed stuff?

2011-08-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:06 PM, John Smith wrote: > How is this fundementally different than any other disused bridge? Overnight destruction is noteworthy, whereas slow decay into disuse is not. There are signs and safety barriers around the destroyed bridges, there are detours in place. A big r

Re: [Tagging] man_made=crane

2011-08-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Mihkel Rämmel wrote: > Wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Crane about crane has > controversial information on it. On one place it says that these tags can be > used on nodes and ways on other place it says that on nodes and areas. > Shouldn't it be the

Re: [Tagging] Light rail station

2011-08-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > A light rail stop, would that be a railway=tram_stop or a railway=station? Sounds like a third option is required. Here (Melbourne, Australia) tram stops vary from just a sign on a telephone pole to "super stops" (raised platforms, safety

Re: [Tagging] Oneway except for buses

2011-08-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Until all routers understand turn restrictions, adding bogus ways for turn > lanes and removing nodes at intersections gets the job done. But it's not > how you should be tagging. When there is a clearly defined standard, "OSM Tagging 1.0

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Combined bicycle & footway

2011-08-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > I could see some benefit to splitting the tag into two - say, > highway=cycle for "bikes only", highway=cycle+foot for "bikes and > pedestrians" - and doing (whisper it) a mass change along country lines. But then you lose the distinctio

Re: [Tagging] proposed routes, state-tag

2011-12-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Now looking at routes the preferred tagging suggested in the wiki is > different: > it is suggested to tag all routes the same way, regardless if they are > signposted, existing or simply proposed, and then differentiate just > by an ad

Re: [Tagging] Explain sport=multi

2011-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Peter Wendorff wrote: > I would use it for sports facilities not dedicated to specific sports. So, to play devil's advocate: why bother with a sports=* tag at all in that case? What's the difference between: leisure=sports_centre and leisure=sports_centre spor

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Before we vote, shouldn't we try to clean up the proposal? E.g. there > is this sentence: "Hint: If the waterway starts as a stream and > becomes larger, then use the tag of the largest waterway (e.g. > river)." > Well, almost all rive

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > The wiki says: "For narrow rivers which will be rendered as a line. > For larger rivers see waterway=riverbank. For really small rivers and > streams, see waterway=stream."  This is ambiguous (reads as if > waterway=river isn't appropr

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Chris Hill wrote: > I do not agree with the whole basis of this thread. > > There are no such things as approved tags, tagging is open and people are > free to use *any* tags they like. ... > Advertise your ideas and encourage acceptance. Show how well it works any

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Chris Hill wrote: > No. It implies some official status that leads people to remove other tags, > sometimes with mass edits. IMHO that doesn't follow at all. If people are doing unwanted mass edits, then we should find a way to discourage them. The solution is not

Re: [Tagging] unfinished railway of historic importance

2012-02-24 Thread Steve Bennett
> any thoughts or suggestions? IMHO there is not much difference between a "almost completed then abandoned" and "completed then abandoned" railway, from the perspective of OSM. Either way, it's not a present day railway, yet there are some physical features that history buffs may be interested in

Re: [Tagging] unfinished railway of historic importance

2012-02-25 Thread Steve Bennett
On Feb 26, 2012 3:15 AM, "Russ Nelson" wrote: > > It deserves its own tag. Not that I expect renderers to render it > differently, but it would be nice if they did, and just having a note, > with variable prose makes it unreasonable to expect them to do it. > Seems all up like the right solution

Re: [Tagging] unfinished railway of historic importance

2012-02-25 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > you could use abandoned_date (like start_date) and have the > before/after completion part in another tag. Multiple things (date and > status) for one key should possibly be avoided. +1 Keep things simple for the person reusing the d

Re: [Tagging] unfinished railway of historic importance

2012-02-26 Thread Steve Bennett
On Feb 26, 2012 7:42 PM, "Frederik Ramm" wrote: > > Hi, > > > On 02/25/12 01:23, Richard Welty wrote: >> >> how do you tag a never-completed railway which has significant important >> landmark value in the current landscape? > > > I think that what you are seeing is not a railway at all. > > I sug

Re: [Tagging] Building tag, "building typology" vs "current function"

2012-02-26 Thread Steve Bennett
2012/2/27 Кирилл "Zkir" Бондаренко : > Could you please express your opinion on the issue. Building=* is one of the > most used tags, and it would be nice to understand it in the same way, in > the whole OSM, even in different countries. Interesting one. I note there is both building=residential,

Re: [Tagging] Mapping as two ways or one, u-turns

2012-03-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Markus Lindholm wrote: > There was a proposal like that > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Divider > that has been abandoned. Not sure of the reason. I also created one: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Divided_road In

Re: [Tagging] unfinished railway of historic importance

2012-03-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mar 5, 2012 6:06 PM, "Frederik Ramm" wrote: > I've run into the same argument with people tagging construction sites for various kinds of buildings. I always maintained that the object in question is primarily a construction site, and the fact that a hotel or museum is being built is at most w

Re: [Tagging] unfinished railway of historic importance

2012-03-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Nah, it was rather about what the priority is. A constrution site could > always be annotated with "this is planned to become a hotel", even though it > isn't a hotel; and a cut could always be annotated with "this was once > planned to becom

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "trail blaze"

2012-03-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Pieren wrote: > He is asking because a local community is maintaining such marks and > would like to locate them in OSM in addition to the route itself. > Our current proposal is to use a node tagged with: > tourism=information > information=trail_blaze > hiking=ye

Re: [Tagging] reference_point and landmark for addresses

2012-03-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > I ask because this sort of description is used everywhere. One might say "at > the end of the road, past Sand Lake Elementary School" rather than "8249 > Buena Vista Woods Boulevard", but that doesn't make the former any kind of > real add

Re: [Tagging] Wikifiddling, surface=cobblestone vs. sett & paving_stones

2012-04-11 Thread Steve Bennett
Clearly the change that was made was disruptive and changes the meaning of the 80,000 or so surface=cobblestone tags already in existence. I have thus changed the definition back and commented out surface=sett for the moment. Now, some issues with introducing sett: 1) No one knows what "sett" mean

Re: [Tagging] Wikifiddling, surface=cobblestone vs. sett & paving_stones

2012-04-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > not so sure about this. Currently there is really a lot of values in > surface but (as far as I know) none of them gets subtagged. Instead of > subtagging we could also keep cobblestone for "sett" and invent > another value for old cobb

Re: [Tagging] Wikifiddling, surface=cobblestone vs. sett & paving_stones

2012-04-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> surface=rounded_cobblestone > > > I'd prefer to focus on the shape and therefore "rounded_cobblestone", > because other aspects like historic can be expressed with additional > tags. Also not all "true cobblestones" are necessarily old

Re: [Tagging] Smooth shoulder intended for cycling

2012-04-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > One regional mapper uses cycleway=shoulder for this, but I see that as > sub-optimal, since it's primarily a shoulder, not a cycleway. It would be > like putting cycleway=sidewalk whenever there's a smooth paved sidewalk. I quite like "c

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Smooth shoulder intended for cycling

2012-04-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > It implies that the shoulder is an official cycleway, when in reality it may > be full of debris (or worse: http://flbikelaw.org/2012/03/paved-shoulder/ ). You think it implies that because it's a cycleway=* tag? I wouldn't read too much

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-08 Thread Steve Bennett
The problems with this tag are the same with most tags. The history goes something like: 1) The original creator has a very specific real-world object in mind: painted roundabout patterns on intersections in their local area 2) Other people in the local area recognise this real-world concept and a

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I am not aware of a plugin, but you can draw a way with 2 nodes > (diameter) and hit "SHIFT+O", this will create a circle (you can set > the default node amount for the circle in advanced preferences). You'd > then tag this correctly, en

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > That's exactly what I was thinking about. Any chance this will find > its way into JOSM any time soon? Potlatch2 and JOSM are completely separate codebases, written in different languages (Flex/ActionScript vs Java). So, it wouldn't be tri

Re: [Tagging] proposing a page on the wiki: "tag names do not always correspond to their definitions"

2012-05-17 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi, I think you mean, you want to firmly state this as a principle. Good! I actually this problem is worst for English speakers, because we tend to find it hard to distinguish the name of the tag from its meaning. Whereas Germans have absolutely no problem with the fact that power=station is a su

Re: [Tagging] That stupid 'quarter' tag has been approved

2012-05-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: > So? The wiki is the place for documenting how YOU map, not how other > people SHOULD map. The only thing you SHOULDN'T do in the wiki is > change the description of how other people map. C'mon. Clearly that's not true. The primary purpose of t

Re: [Tagging] The wiki (was "Re: That stupid 'quarter' tag has been approved")

2012-05-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:27 PM, SomeoneElse wrote: > Well, it's to "document" standards, not to "create" them.  If that's what > you meant by "establish" then +1 to you too. > > The biggest problem the wiki has is that in some quarters editing it seems > to have become an end in itself rather tha

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Rails with trails

2012-07-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Masi Master wrote: > Hi, > Some month ago I tried to start a proposal for rail-trails: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/rail_trail > I startet it with 'rail_trail=yes', but on talk-page some are against this, > because highway=cycleway/footway

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Rails with trails

2012-07-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: > As I understand it, NE2 was looking for a tagging scheme that would allow > for searches to find trails on a railway grade. Searching for rail trails The use case is literally to find flattish bike paths? Searching for rail trails sounds like a

Re: [Tagging] Extended Conditions - response to votes

2012-07-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Malcolm Herring wrote: > How many mappers or tag consumers are aware that either a vote or a > discussion is taking place? The voting constituency is invariably a small, > self-selected group. Not me, for one. What is the issue being discussed? No one has posted a

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-12 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Andrew Errington wrote: > The language of OSM should be precise. If it's not then people start > inventing tags that have similar, but imprecise meanings, which is > exactly what has happened here. There's nothing more "precise" about 'potable' vs 'drinkable'.

Re: [Tagging] sports_centre

2012-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I'd like to hear from others - is sports_centre the usual tag for such > establishments and if so, should we maybe downgrade the rendering to z16? I use leisure=sports_centre for things like bowls clubs, cricket clubs, football clubs, and co

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Pieren wrote: > Bad example. power=station is a mess because we have one tag with > different interpretations/meanings. Here, it's the opposite : we have > several tags for the same meaning. Consolidate the wiki, the presets > and the database makes sense here. Co

Re: [Tagging] piste:type=nordic but without underlying track

2012-11-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Michael S wrote: > I wonder if it is the right way to tag this trail with higway=track, because > a user which wants to use the map for non-skiing purposes may think there is > a track where one can walk on, which is not the case. Sounds a lot like the "winter

Re: [Tagging] piste:type=nordic but without underlying track

2012-11-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Michael S wrote: > I think tagging areas with piste:type is more for downhill piste. Interesting - according to the wiki (key:piste:type): piste:type=nordic (way only, not area) A nordic/cross country ski trail (also see #Style or kind of grooming). The direction

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - age groups in schools

2012-11-25 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi, With the exception of pre-schools, aren't most schools defined by the year group, rather than age? Around a here, a primary school is Prep to Grade 6, and high school is Year 7 to Year 12. The actual ranges of kids varies a bit - some skip years, some repeat. I can't see much use for coding a

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - age groups in schools

2012-11-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Andrew Errington wrote: > I think 'state school' is more common. I don't think any English speaker > would say 'government school'. > https://www.google.com/search?q="government+school"+site%3A.au I think the most neutral terms here (Australia) are "goverment s

Re: [Tagging] on-call bicycle ferry service

2012-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
It sounds more like a water taxi. I'm not sure if that's a widely used term in Europe, but they exist on some rivers here - you call up, it comes and gets you. Not normally for bikes, but that still. Steve On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I would use for 'vaporetto

Re: [Tagging] New relation type=provides_feature

2012-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Dave Sutter wrote: > This may be a radical suggestion for OSM but I think POIs should be > removed from the map database and put in an external database. Each > POI should have an address and the address is used to match the POI to > the map. > > This can also be

Re: [Tagging] POIs

2012-12-07 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi, On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > How would you connect POIs that have no address? > Janko Logically, you would make the connection through some kind of permanent ID - not literally an address. I believe there have been various discussions about permanent IDs, but no

Re: [Tagging] Self explanatory?

2012-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > I was thinking about a problem that affects renderers and navigational > devices in more or less the same way. I came up with a solution and > would like to know if it is understandable. I mapped four areas with > currently used tagging styl

Re: [Tagging] cycleway Tagging and Wiki-Page

2013-01-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Balgofil wrote: > So one solution that was pointed out in the thread is to tag the > "Schutzstreifen" with cycleway=shared_lane because of the description > in the wiki. I then pointed out, that in the UK there is a similar > situation, but no solution to it (see

Re: [Tagging] Tunnels and bridges

2013-01-31 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi, A few problems with the current approach: 1) When several things pass over the same bridge (eg, highway=secondary, highway=cycleway and highway=footway; or even just two independent lanes), renderers currently draw multiple bridges. 2) In areas where structures (buildings, paved areas, piers,

Re: [Tagging] Tunnels and bridges

2013-02-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Martin Vonwald (imagic) wrote: We have a spatial database so if all features are within a closed way there is no need for a relation. Why is there a different reasoning for a bridge? Btw, is this actually true? Does the OSM API actually provide functions to determi

Re: [Tagging] Resorts

2013-02-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Дмитрий Киселев wrote: > I didn't like leisure=resort because in such case we will have > leisure inside leisure in case of swimmingpools or pitch inside > resort. IMHO, that is of absolutely no concern. There's no rule against key=tag1 being inside key=tag2. The

Re: [Tagging] Tunnels and bridges

2013-02-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:21 PM, Pieren wrote: > By "consumer", we all think about "renderer" (which is in my knowledge > the only consumer looking for bridges in OSM atm). If you keep the > "bridge" tag on the multiple highways, it is duplicating the > information. And you don't fix the rendering

[Tagging] Disused/historic railway stations

2013-02-05 Thread Steve Bennett
All of these exist in taginfo, and have at least 10 hits: railway:historic=station_site (376) railway:historic=station (188) historic:railway=station (230) historic=station (10) historic=railway_station (37) historic=station_site (65) disused:railway=station (223) disused=station (64) (And of c

Re: [Tagging] Disused/historic railway stations

2013-02-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > There was this discussion on talk-gb recently: > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2013-January/014376.html Yeah, that's actually what prompted this discussion - I was pointed there by Andy Allan when I commented on some O

Re: [Tagging] bicycle-no on motorways

2013-02-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Dave F. wrote: > Around my area in the UK a user is presently adding bicycle=no to all > motorways. There was a discussion a while back whether it that tag was > implied for motorways. If I remember, it was claimed there were some places > (not UK) that allowed bic

Re: [Tagging] bicycle-no on motorways

2013-02-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > I have had a quick look around Melbourne's motorway entrances on > streetview and all I have looked at have a sign like this > http://goo.gl/maps/0hC6c. > > Please can you point out one that does allow cyclists? Western Freeway: http://goo.g

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Erik Johansson wrote: > I feel dirty every time I do that, they are usually tagged as > surface=mud.. :-) Basically I map them if there really is a path > there and it seems usefull, even though it's clearly not a designated > path. There definitely should be a

Re: [Tagging] Re : As the crow flies

2013-02-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > It happens often on mountain hiking routes. You have a signpost with the > red-white sign of the Alpine Club that indicates the direction that you have > to take across a meadow, for example. On the other side you have to find a > correspon

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 3:29 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > Footpath, not footpad. A footpad is a type of robber. If I saw a path > marked as highway=footpad, it would suggest that the path is through a > high-crime area, and you are likely to be mugged. Hmm, it must be a fairly uncommonly use

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-22 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi Jo, On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Jo wrote: > pad is Dutch for path. (It also means toad in Dutch, but that is, of course, > unrelated) > > In English I only knew pad as something to jot on. Like a notepad. > > Maybe you should add those other meanings to Wiktionary.org, Good suggestion. T

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues

2013-02-26 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:47 AM, Peter Wendorff wrote: > But where's the border? In the following examples let all these facilities > serve food and drinks. > - an event location that has daily concerts and opens only for these events. > - an event location that has daily concerts, but is open two

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi Janko, I definitely like the idea. In addition to the uses you mention, I think it will be useful for other sites to retrieve relevant OSM data. Eg, showing a map with appropriate bounding box by querying for the right wikidata ID. It's worth menitioning that Wikidata is still very new. How s

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Pieren wrote: > Tag "operator:wikidata=Q38076" much better than "operator=McDonalds" ?! > > Are you all so disconnected from real contributors ? In addition to, not instead of. operator:wikidata=* is computable. Martin wrote: >What is the relation between wikid

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