Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17 Apr 2023, at 01:08, António Madeira wrote: > > The question is: is it relevant? no, it is not the question, the requirement is: does it exist? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap

Re: [Tagging] shop=screenprinting

2023-04-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 21 Apr 2023, at 16:26, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > shop=printing_on_objects ? seems more clear than shop=screenprinting screenprinting is about the specific technique, in Polish I think it is Druk sitowy I think if the shop is specialized in this kin

Re: [Tagging] roof:shape=pitched imprecise value ?

2023-04-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 24 Apr 2023, at 16:03, Timothy Noname wrote: > > Probably a tagging error by someone who doesn't know the correct tags like > skillion and gabled. it’s probably a skillion roof, single pitch, wouldn’t expect a gabled or hipped roof, but who knows. It isn’t an “error”

Re: [Tagging] roof:shape=pitched imprecise value ?

2023-04-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20 Apr 2023, at 22:04, Marc_marc wrote: > > is roof:shape=pitched an imprecise value ? as you ask about imprecise, what about “round” or “many”? https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/roof:shape#values___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Help with new tags about wheelchair

2023-05-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8 May 2023, at 10:39, Sebastian Felix Zappe > wrote: > > For example, a door width or step count should be tagged on the node that > represents the entrance door, not the café PoI node inside the building (or > worse, the building polygon) but this requires to conne

Re: [Tagging] Tag government equals emergency defintion

2023-05-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15 May 2023, at 09:18, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Tag it with office=government + government=emergency. " > > > One of 'my' cases are "Fire Control Centres" where directions are given to > bush fire fighters in the field. > > Thoughts??? I think this woul

Re: [Tagging] Tagging proposal On Wheels app 1 - toilets wheelchair extra tags

2023-05-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 16. Mai 2023 um 13:33 Uhr schrieb : > Hi everyone, > > > > As promised I will make separate emails with our tagging questions and > proposals that we want to add to OSM for our app. > > With our On Wheels app we give more objective information to wheelchair > users about dimensions of the

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Aug 2019, at 12:32, Paul Allen wrote: > > From what I've found (which may be wrong or I've misinterpreted it) > autopistas are > highway=motorway. Autovias are harder to categorize, but seem to be > theoretically > highway=trunk even though in practise some of the

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Aug 2019, at 15:36, Paul Allen wrote: > > Where a country-wide classification exists, it is usual for this to be > reflected in the > numbering scheme and the signage. people are often writing about this, but from the German situation, where I have been digging

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Aug 2019, at 16:38, Paul Allen wrote: > > may not be entirely > predictable (especially if we don't have access to traffic statistics) and > the only objectively > verifiable data we have is the signage. no, we also have our knowledge about the size and importanc

Re: [Tagging] tag templates in the wiki

2019-08-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Aug 2019, at 18:02, Andy Townsend wrote: > > I don't think it's unavoidable - presumably you can just ignore the wikidata > stuff and carry on as before? I had thought so as well, but then I saw the edit which removed the whole template information from the page

Re: [Tagging] tag templates in the wiki

2019-08-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Aug 2019, at 18:02, Andy Townsend wrote: > > I'm concerned that some wikidata entries are just plain wrong - AFAIK the template is not filled from wikidata.org but rather from a wikidata installation on OpenStreetMap-Foundation servers (or for OpenStreetMap but on

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13. Aug 2019, at 02:21, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think your confusing tagging with rendering. > > Tagging is what is on the ground. > The road from Toulouse toward Lyon may physically change between the two, so > the tagging follows that (I don't think

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13. Aug 2019, at 05:19, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Changing the classification from trunk to > primary to trunk again, in the middle of a rural area, breaks the > network. it breaks the trunk network, but if there isn’t a trunk network (according to what is consid

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13. Aug 2019, at 13:18, Paul Allen wrote: > > > In my opinion, tagging the trunk roads (and secondary roads) passing through > that city > as residential would be very unhelpful. yes, this is a discussion we also had over weeks and months in Italy, many years ago, w

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13. Aug 2019, at 16:02, Paul Allen wrote: > > Which diverged into this thread. We've come full circle. I am aware, but apparently from time to time you have to repeat and explain the outcome of older discussions to bring those on board who have joined later ;-) Ch

Re: [Tagging] Gorges, Canyons, Ravines: natural=valley or new tag?

2019-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2019, at 07:20, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > natural=valley + valley=canyon etc this would also be my preference, presupposed we can come up with definitions for these valley subtypes that make sense. Cheers Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] Gorges, Canyons, Ravines: natural=valley or new tag?

2019-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2019, at 10:31, Michael Patrick wrote: > > 5. For international features, the National Geospatial Agency GeoNames Search > page ( http://geonames.nga.mil/namesgaz/ ) enables you to look up the > classifications, and what they are called in the local language(s)

Re: [Tagging] How to distinguish public and private offices?

2019-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2019, at 22:27, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > There are some offices that can be assumed to be without access by general > public > like office=company. I would generally think of office=* as not accessible for the general public, at least this was the initial

Re: [Tagging] How to distinguish public and private offices?

2019-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2019, at 23:30, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Unfortunately many office=* tags represent something that is accessible yes it is unfortunate ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetma

Re: [Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2019, at 05:33, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Is there evidence or documentation that the accepted and historic > method of documenting new, unused or little-used tags is to create a > Tag:key=value page, without discussion first? > > I'm new here, but it looks

Re: [Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone On 15. Aug 2019, at 05:33, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >> "The ideal of forcing a proposal ... does not fly with me due to the >> probability of being cast as 'abandoned'." > > Using the proposal namespace should not force the original page author > to do anything else in the P

Re: [Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2019, at 05:33, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > (I don't think such abandoned tag proposal pages > should be deleted, as long as the tag is still in the database, but > the status change is helpful.) I would extend this to all tags that have been at least once i

Re: [Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2019, at 13:53, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > What is perfectly fine, as long as proposals were actually abandoned. what is your definition of “abandoned” here? E.g. if a page is in draft or proposed status and has not been brought to voting and not been modifi

Re: [Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2019, at 13:53, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > For many popular tags there are abandoned proposals, tags itself are in > active use. „many popular tags“ have been formally proposed, have not been voted on, and are still in active use, with a significantly diffe

Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2019, at 15:49, Jmapb via Tagging > wrote: > > For anything that's not a bicycle shop but still does bicycle repairs > (I've seen cafes, car repair shops, outdoor shops, and even a church > with this service), consider just adding the > "service:bicycle:repair=y

Re: [Tagging] New property Key:walk-in for amenities like clinics, barbers, hair salons that offer walk-in appointments/service?

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2019, at 15:54, marc marc wrote: > > - keep booking=* for the few booking.com urls that currently exist IMHO we should not reserve tags named with a common word like „booking“ for a commercial service. Their key could be “booking.com” (provided we want these

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2019, at 13:29, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > of the new page mentions that this may be a problem because > amenity=studio is also used for TV, Radio and Music recording studios. yes, IMHO we should completely avoid the term “studio”, as it can refer to lots

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2019, at 14:16, Paul Allen wrote: > > sense for house painters, it should be office=painter (or, better, > office=decorator). > If I want somebody to paint my house I expect him to apply paint to my house, > not to his > own office, so he doesn't (normally) per

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2019, at 15:26, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > How about "craft=artist" then? The tag "craft=atelier" was described > as for any type of artist: "workshop of a ...professional artist in > the fine or decorative arts" I would not have thought to put artists into

Re: [Tagging] Route sorting

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2019, at 18:25, Andy Townsend wrote: > > I've just tried it on a bus route containing a roundabout locally and it > coped OK. I’m usually splitting roundabouts to contain only the part that is in the route. We’re splitting all roads for routes (or other prope

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2019, at 16:59, Paul Allen wrote: > > Yes, but under the current system (which is probably too deeply embedded to > fix) an office can > be one of two basic types: > > 1) A place for doing paperwork or other administrative tasks. > > 2) A place selling service

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2019, at 16:59, Paul Allen wrote: > > A craft=painter (current meaning) is where paperwork is done and perhaps > where equipment is stored, but it is not where the actual craft of decorating > takes place. a painter is somehow special in this, but not the only

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2019, at 18:06, Andy Townsend wrote: > > "craft=artist" is much better in my view - people are far more likely to know > what it means +1, craft=atelier makes zero sense, apart that it is French/German and not English, it is describing a place (artist’s studi

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2019, at 20:38, Paul Allen wrote: > > Ummm, you seem to contradict yourself there. Painters/decorators work at > their craft > wherever their craft is needed, not in their office/storage space. > Carpenters are the same. rereading myself it seems I haven’t

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone On 15. Aug 2019, at 20:38, Paul Allen wrote: >> will have much more extensive storage requirements than painters do (e.g. >> scaffolding or concrete workers/formwork). > > A dedicated storage area is not a shop, or an office, or a workshop. true, but the typical situatio

Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2019, at 17:48, Jmapb wrote: > > Also note that for self-service bike repair we have > "amenity=bicycle_repair_station" -- presumably not the best tag for this > community centre bike repair service (it sounds like volunteers do the > repair work, not the user) b

Re: [Tagging] Route sorting

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone On 15. Aug 2019, at 23:25, marc marc wrote: >> why would you not do it for roundabouts? > > when we split a building in several parts, we keep one building=* > and use several building:part > > for roundabouts, the tag is the same. for the whole roundabouts and for > part

Re: [Tagging] reservation<>booking (was: New property Key:walk-in for amenities like clinics, barbers, hair salons that offer walk-in appointments/service?)

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone On 15. Aug 2019, at 17:03, marc marc wrote: >> service. Their key could be “booking.com” > > so somes firms have a too common name and need a key with a tld > and somes no ? no, it is not about a common _name_ , the problem is that the name is an existing generic word, p

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 16. Aug 2019, at 00:20, Peter Elderson wrote: > > Not seldom I have to check and repair 10-15 route relations after one edit > (most often a split of a way to allow a route to attach there) on the map. which editing software do you use? Cheers Martin __

[Tagging] Artists studios, WAS Re: Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 16. Aug 2019, at 02:27, Clifford Snow wrote: > > I would suggest we move artist from the craft discussion on to its own thread. agreed. Artists merit their own key, putting them under craft doesn’t seem like a good choice. Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 16. Aug 2019, at 09:02, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I've been intending to work on a proposal but haven't had a chance - > worthwhile? IMHO what may be needed is “workshop” rather than business. We are already tagging many kinds of businesses with the tags amenity,

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 16. Aug 2019, at 15:13, ael wrote: > > I could never see the point in tagging offices which are of no intrinsic > interest except perhaps to office equipment suppliers. The way I see it, we’re mapping the world, as it is. Not just places where the general public may h

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Aug 2019, at 13:22, Paul Allen wrote: > > But also no need not to map them should the > owners wish. you have mentioned the owner’s wishes already yesterday, but I wasn’t aware we had a requirement that the owners must tolerate having their property mapped. So fa

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Aug 2019, at 13:41, ael wrote: > > I would be all in favour of introducing "business" as long as it was > not restricted in that way. Easy with various values. what would be the definition , for profit? Private ownership? IMHO it would probably make stuff more co

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Aug 2019, at 13:49, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > That is, should wiki users and mappers feel free to add any newly > documented values of craft=, shop=, building=, office=, and sport= to > the Map Features wiki page, and the Key page (eg Key:office, > Key:craft), o

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Aug 2019, at 13:49, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > I restarted the thread more recently with a specific example: > craft=atelier had just been documented after being used a dozen times, > and was added to the Key:craft page and to Map Features. My question > is: w

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Aug 2019, at 15:18, Paul Allen wrote: > > Also out of courtesy. yes, there may always be considerations from individual mappers to refrain from mapping certain things , for different reasons like courtesy, respect etc., and this is perfectly fine (more difficult

Re: [Tagging] Is crop=yes tag completely and utterly useless?

2019-08-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Aug 2019, at 17:09, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > 9326 of 9657 crop=yes is on landuse=farmland - it seems to me that it is > not adding any information whatsoever. certainly removing them would be even less useful? You could read it as a way of stating that somethi

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Aug 2019, at 22:36, ael wrote: > > But do we have any generic terms already? Unless > you just mean office. businesses can already be found in amenity (e.g. food and drink, pharmacies, post offices, prisons (US), etc.), tourism, leisure, shop, craft, office, heal

Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc

2019-08-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
There haven’t been more replies here, but the discussion didn’t seem conclusive either. Is everyone fine with the established tagging shop=bicycle and several subtags for the details? IMHO the mentioned subtags are fine, but I believe we should have a dedicated main tag, these really aren’t b

Re: [Tagging] Is crop=yes tag completely and utterly useless?

2019-08-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Aug 2019, at 01:17, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > So at least we know it probably isn’t a meadow or a farmyard or an orchard? and not used for pasture Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org h

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Aug 2019, at 11:53, ael wrote: > > Of course, the more specific tagging is right where there is a good > match. +1, and where there isn’t yet a good match I’d prefer to invent one. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing lis

Re: [Tagging] Is crop=yes tag completely and utterly useless?

2019-08-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Aug 2019, at 08:39, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > For this I would suggest the > key "farmland=cropland" or ok > "crop=field_cropland", not ok IMHO, field cropland is a kind if field, not a kind of crop > rather than crop=yes to me this isn’t perfect (yes

Re: [Tagging] Is crop=yes tag completely and utterly useless?

2019-08-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Aug 2019, at 14:10, Paul Allen wrote: > > Land in crop rotation may be left fallow for a year, with no crop. OTOH, > where the land is very uneven then it might be used for nothing but pasture > (sheep or goats are the usual "crop" on land like that). +1, also whe

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

2019-08-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Aug 2019, at 14:43, Paul Allen wrote: > > Maybe > we shouldn't ever insist that mappers sort the routes they add, but I don't > think > we should discourage them if they want to put in that effort. +1, this is my opinion as well. Sorted routes make it usually eas

Re: [Tagging] Is crop=yes tag completely and utterly useless?

2019-08-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Aug 2019, at 15:41, Paul Allen wrote: > > Thinking about it, maybe we should reactivate landuse=pasture and add > landuse=arable. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arable_land which makes the > distinction between pasture, arable land, and land for permanent woody c

Re: [Tagging] roads with many names

2019-08-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Aug 2019, at 17:41, Paul Allen wrote: > > Ugly and probably breaks many explicit and implicit rules. You'll no doubt > find out > all the ways it is a bad idea very shortly. for several names it is common to use variations of the name tag, like alt_name reg_nam

Re: [Tagging] roads with many names

2019-08-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Aug 2019, at 20:36, Rob Savoye wrote: > > Luckily a neighbor called it in, he wasn't home. using 'loc_name' or > 'alt_name' makes sense. This entire area doesn't even exist in Google > Maps, so people not using OSM couldn't find it till we gave directions > on the ra

Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc

2019-08-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Aug 2019, at 23:06, Morten Lange via Tagging > wrote: > > I am skeptical as that makes finding them less straightforward, if you are > looking for [ a place where I can get my bicycle repaired or receive some > help]. it will require you look for them explicit

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Aug 2019, at 02:28, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > But trade= is better than generic business= for the workshop of an individual > tradesperson. by the time craft was introduced, it should probably have been “trade”, IIRR the craft tag was invented by Germans and

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Aug 2019, at 12:17, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Unfortunately, the key animal=* has also been used for zoo animals > (see elephant, etc) and some of the values are rare, proposed separate > features like animal=wellness and animal=cemetery. I would not see a pro

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Aug 2019, at 12:35, marc marc wrote: > > 16% of landuse=farmyard have a anima=* tag. > I didn't understand what argument to hope that the > current most used tag would change in favor of a marginal tag. generally I would expect a farmyard to contain several buildin

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Aug 2019, at 13:13, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So the produce key is used for the output, if that is live animals then they > can be tagged that way. > If the output is milk then produce=milk not produce=cow. +1, similarly for chicken, which are usual

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Aug 2019, at 15:20, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > similar and in many places it can be hard to distinguish hay meadow > from grazing pasture during most of the year. the presence of a fence aiming at keeping the animals inside may be an indication, although not e

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Aug 2019, at 15:28, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > If we remove the animal=yes tags, there are about 247 uses of animal=* > on landuse=farmyard, landuse=meadow, and landuse=farmland combined, so > it's not huge. animal=yes/no would already be a quite useful generic

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

2019-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Aug 2019, at 17:01, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > (I have elided most of the intermediate steps.) and a lot of preparatory steps: you need to buy a computer, find a wall outlet to plug it in, find the power button, find an internet provider and subscribe to a plan

Re: [Tagging] Multiple values in isced:level

2019-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Aug 2019, at 00:06, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > End of the day, it's easy for a computer to read "0-2" and "0 to 2" and > "0,1,2" and "0;1;2" as all the same, they are not the same. 0-2 could also be the same as 0;1A;1B;2 Cheers Martin _

Re: [Tagging] Multiple values in isced:level

2019-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Aug 2019, at 00:54, Andrew Davidson wrote: > > Is there a ISCED level 1A? maybe not, or not currently (they could introduce them at some point), what I wanted to say is that you need to know all possible values to make sense of a range, while you need no knowledg

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Aug 2019, at 12:48, Paul Allen wrote: > > Other > countries may do it differently, but here public footpaths are marked and > even local walking > clubs don't use routes which are not public footpaths unless the landowner > has given > explicit permission (in which

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Aug 2019, at 16:53, Paul Allen wrote: > > Most farmland is fenced off, for one reason > or another (to stop livestock wandering off or to stop idiots wandering in). it is country (or even region) specific, in Germany no, in (central) Italy fences are common, but I

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2019, at 00:01, Rob Savoye wrote: > > Yeah, I'd add this to a 'tourism=camp_pitch' node. Where I was > yesterday works out to something like 'amenity=bbq;bear_box;parking' > plus 'leisure=firepit'. a more common mapping method would be individual objects for e

Re: [Tagging] Maxtents= or capacity:tents= for campsites?

2019-08-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2019, at 01:37, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > OK, so there were 2 people in favor of capacity:tents= I would prefer this. Although I would expect you could always add another tent somehow. Or is this about legal regulations (e.g. to protect a vulnerable site,

Re: [Tagging] Cash_withdrawal draft

2019-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2019, at 14:07, Philip Barnes wrote: > > In British English the term used is Cashback. in Germany cashback is the name of a bonus program where you can get some money for sharing your personal data with the merchant when you buy something. It would be deeply

Re: [Tagging] How to distinguish public and private offices?

2019-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2019, at 18:52, Philip Barnes wrote: > > You can usually walk into a hairdressers to make an appointment and if > they are not busy they will not turn you away. > > Its just those with an appointment will get priority. Much like making > reservations in

[Tagging] phone vs contact:phone WAS Re: Multiple tags for one purpose

2019-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25. Aug 2019, at 07:20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Type 'phone' into the OSMwiki search box and you get redirected to the key > 'phone=*'. > This gets preferential treatment to the key 'contact:phone=*'. seems fair that “key:phone” shows up first for a se

Re: [Tagging] landcover dune or land form dune

2019-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Aug 2019, at 01:11, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > To me dune is a land form. +1, for me these should go under natural and not in landcover Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org htt

Re: [Tagging] Parking spaces for car charging

2019-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Aug 2019, at 00:33, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > A bit messy, but how about > amenity=parking_space + access=vehicle_charging_only > car_charging=yes/no > truck_charging=yes/no > hgv_charging=yes/no Is it really „parking“? Maybe we should introduce an amenity=cha

Re: [Tagging] Parking spaces for car charging

2019-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Aug 2019, at 13:54, Paul Allen wrote: > > Third problem is that although the ones my local supermarket recently > installed have > signs (which,so far, are being completely ignored) saying they are only for > charging, > in other places (particularly as charging st

Re: [Tagging] phone vs contact:phone WAS Re: Multiple tags for one purpose

2019-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25. Aug 2019, at 18:06, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > there are at least two possibilities: > > > phone= > phone:emergency= > phone:staff= > > and: > > phone= > emergency:phone= > staff:phone= > > Neither of which requires "contact:" exactly, I was about to reply the sa

Re: [Tagging] phone vs contact:phone

2019-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25. Aug 2019, at 21:48, marc marc wrote: > > we need to switch all contact to key with contact: prefix > (pro : a datauser is able to group them without havng to keep > a hardcoded list of all key (phone, fax, email, web, social network ) > and update to list everytime

Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc

2019-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Aug 2019, at 09:07, Morten Lange wrote: > > Could you/someone explain how you can search for objects that form such > spatial relationships? I’m not sure how to do it with publicly available services, but if I’m not misguided, overpass api allows you to do it. T

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 26. Aug. 2019 um 00:19 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > While some have suggested that uses of the landuse=* key like > landuse=grass, landuse=village_green and landuse=recreation_area lead > to misuse of the landuse=* key, the landcover=* key appears to be eve

Re: [Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 26. Aug. 2019 um 06:09 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > All approved and de facto landforms in Map Features are under > natural=*, eg natural=ridge, natural=valley, natural=cliff, > natural=valley, natural=peak, natural=mountain_range... - it's one of > the mai

Re: [Tagging] landcover dune or land form dune

2019-08-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 27. Aug 2019, at 12:06, Paul Allen wrote: > > There are > problems with landcover=hedge yes, for me landcover is about the surface of the land, either about the plants growing there, or about the bare surface like sand or rock. Hedge is a functional description, a he

Re: [Tagging] New proposal draft to simplify the mapping of farm buildings (stables)

2019-08-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 27. Aug 2019, at 23:00, Paul Allen wrote: > > Oh, and you say that a sty is for pigs (correct) and a sty is for cows > (incorrect) probably just a copy +paste problem, and should have been cowshed > > Introduce a new value for building that means "building for liv

Re: [Tagging] New proposal draft to simplify the mapping of farm buildings (stables)

2019-08-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 28. Aug 2019, at 13:26, Paul Allen wrote: > > If he were to propose some other value (I can't think of one) for a generic > livestock-holding > building then I would have less reason to object to the proposal. But I > probably would still > object - we have 24,000 sta

Re: [Tagging] New proposal draft to simplify the mapping of farm buildings (stables)

2019-08-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 28. Aug 2019, at 14:40, Paul Allen wrote: > > According to google translate, it's "pig flats," but I suspect it's being > literal rather > than giving the equivalent English term. I'd probably map it as > building=piggery + > levels=n. maybe there isn’t an English

Re: [Tagging] New proposal draft to simplify the mapping of farm buildings (stables)

2019-08-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Aug 2019, at 00:34, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > The preferences range from free-range chickens > https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&biw=1242&bih=603&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=dv1mXaqGAY6UvQSrmrHoBA&q=free+range+chicken+farm&oq=free+range+chicken&gs_l=img.3.1.0l10.74

Re: [Tagging] me fail english? | Re: craft=sculpter <> craft=sculptor

2019-08-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 30. Aug. 2019 um 14:25 Uhr schrieb Rory McCann : > I think it's just a misspelling. I'm a native english speaker and I had > to check which is the correct spelling (“sculptor” FTR 😉). I suspect > that's what's happened here. I have to admit I couldn't resist and fixed the spelling some

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Dehesa

2019-08-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
many years ago we were discussing meadow_orchard actually. I agree with Christoph that there is room for a secondary landuse tag like landuse:secondary it could otherwise be a subtag for forests, like landuse=forest forest=dehesa or forest=agroforestry agroforestry=dehesa I would not renounce f

Re: [Tagging] How to tag flood prone points and areas?

2019-09-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Sep 2019, at 14:05, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > since they are based on > calculations of the floodplain geometry and historical observations of > floods over many decades indeed, and with a changing ecosystem (warming) statistical predictions will also be less rel

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-09-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Sep 2019, at 15:14, Vadim Shlyakhov wrote: > > There is no currently a standard way to tag an outdoor location > (probably designated) where people can practice sunbathing. sunbathing is exposing your skin to the sun, AFAIK it doesn’t require special equipment or a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Dehesa

2019-09-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 3. Sept. 2019 um 17:22 Uhr schrieb Diego Cruz : > How about landuse=mixed_rural? Would that be useful to areas you know > about? > no, it would not allow to tell anything and would be completely unclear. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-09-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
you might want to refer to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:nudism as suitable combination. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Hill figures

2019-09-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 4. Sep 2019, at 09:08, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > man_made=geoglyph (usage >700 in taginfo) > Seems to be a reasonable tagging +1 Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] Hill figures

2019-09-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
It could make sense in this context to mention the tag historic:civilization which is about the culture that created a feature. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:historic:civilization Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.o

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Campsite properties

2019-09-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 4. Sep 2019, at 21:00, Sven Geggus wrote: > > Is there a difference between a greywater_drain and a > sanitary_dump_station? greywater is wastewater without feces, e.g. from sinks and showers, while I would guess that a sanitary dump station is for sewage. Cheers Ma

Re: [Tagging] Hill figures

2019-09-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 4. Sep 2019, at 23:45, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > But would that really apply to these, as most of them only range in age from > <100 to 200-300 years old? as long as you find a suitable value ;-) In general the civilization tags aim more at older sites while for

Re: [Tagging] amenity=music_school vs amenity=college?

2019-09-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Sep 2019, at 07:18, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Should amenity=music_school be in map features? IMHO the term is not clear, speaking of Germany, we need at least 3 types of significantly different objects, which might be eventually be called music schools: 1. “

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