Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Use description instead of name for route relations

On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 at 17:15, Yves via Tagging wrote: > It's never to late to fix a mistake? > Yves > > Probably best for that fix to have an approved proposal too to mitigate the risk of an edit war. > > Le 23 octobre 2023 09:46:05 GMT+02:00, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a > écrit : > >> >> On

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 at 22:34, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > this is about a different topic: projects that have been started but have > never been completed and the fragments are now either: > repurposed > or > left to decay > or > waiting to be completed > > I would be quite interested in standa

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing, importance of trails in OSM

On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 01:27, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 at 19:17, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > As for tagging 'dangerous areas' .. areas that pose danger such as some > favelas cannot be tagged in OSM. I see the same logic applied to dangerous > areas caused by wildl

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing, importance of trails in OSM

On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 14:07, Paul Allen wrote: > > The whole world is dangerous. Just label the entire planet as a hazard. > > Last I heard it was "mostly harmless". ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/lis

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 04:25, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 11:31, Paul Allen wrote: > >> On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 02:10, Mike Thompson wrote: >> >>> I don't think anyone is saying that tracks can't have additional uses, >>> just that one of those uses has to be forestry,

Re: [Tagging] Adding mapillary tags to every building

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 17:07, Cj Malone < me-osm-tagg...@keepawayfromfire.co.uk> wrote: > It's in Facebooks interest to have OSM be the best it possibly can. > Facebook doesn't want to be dependant on Google for map data, so they > are going to try and commoditise map data to improve competition.

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

On Sun, 21 Jun 2020 at 15:00, ael wrote: > On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 01:41:53PM +0100, Steve Doerr wrote: > > For what it's worth, two points: > > > > 1. The Oxford English Dictionary spells this word as kanat. > > > > 2. It doesn't sound like anything we would refer to as a canal in > English: > >

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 21:50, Skyler Hawthorne wrote: > On Tue, 2020-07-07 at 21:00 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > > > On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 20:32, Skyler Hawthorne > > wrote: > > > Maybe it wasn't clear, but what I'm suggesting isn't to remove the > > > suggestion of tagging as individual building=h

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 at 19:09, Paul Allen wrote: > On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 at 18:53, Tod Fitch wrote: > >> >> What I’d like is one or two tags to indicate that all visible indications >> of a water way ends at this point and that the QA tools should not flag >> them as errors to be fixed. >> > > One

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 11:28, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 10:59, Volker Schmidt wrote: > >> manhole=drain is widely used in OSM for water drainage grids, that are >> not suitable for people to entr - se the photo on the wikipage >>

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 14:22, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > 22 Jul 2020, 14:24 by pla16...@gmail.com: > > On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 13:22, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > bicycle=explicit_no sounds to me like "there i

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

Do we have any tagging for areas where e.g. open alcohol containers are prohibited, where firearms are specially prohibited* or disallows possession of a recording device or camera? A separate 'specific item banned' tag is starting to sound like it would avoid further muddying the transport mode t

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 21:18, Mike Thompson wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 1:36 PM Jmapb wrote: > > As I see it, having bicycle=no imply permission to push a dismounted > bicycle violates the principle of least surprise because it's inconsistent > with other *=no access tags. I wouldn't pr

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

This is specifically about how to label the end point where the waterway doesn't drain into another waterbody, not how to label an intermittent stream in general. On Fri, 24 Jul 2020, 07:05 Graeme Fitzpatrick, wrote: > > > > On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 01:27, Tod Fitch wrote: > >> >> We are still le

Re: [Tagging] Orange County, California Building and Address Import

I thought the thing ESRI recently announced was basically additional layers within RapiD, but I may be conflating two separate things. On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 15:53, Tod Fitch wrote: > I became aware that Orange County, California has released building > outline and address data to public domain

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

IMO the logic behind putting the EU as admin_level=1 would have meant that the United States of America, the USSR and Australia would have been made admin_level=1 when they were formed from their preceding entities (if OSM had existed at those times). I would suggest that contrary to the preceding

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 13:05, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 30.07.20 13:32, Colin Smale wrote: > > The EU is «composed-of» whole member states. It has all the attributes > > of a governmental administrative body - with the executive, parliament > > and justicial branches impacting citizens di

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 13:35, Colin Smale wrote: > On 2020-07-30 14:02, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Hi, > > On 30.07.20 13:32, Colin Smale wrote: > > The EU is «composed-of» whole member states. It has all the attributes > of a governmental administrative body - with the executive, parliament > and

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 14:33, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 30. Jul 2020, at 14:41, Alan Mackie wrote: > > > > To me pooling resources does not generate a higher level entity, it > rearranges existing ones. If the EU does become

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 15:02, Colin Smale wrote: > On 2020-07-30 15:05, Alan Mackie wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 13:35, Colin Smale wrote: > >> On 2020-07-30 14:02, Frederik Ramm wrote:You might not like it, but the >> EU is already a super-state that acts as o

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 16:38, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Do., 30. Juli 2020 um 17:13 Uhr schrieb Alan Mackie >: > >> This is why I suggested that the more practical solution would probably >> be to re-tag all existing admin_level=2 with admin_level=1 except for the &g

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 19:59, Phake Nick wrote: > > > 在 2020年7月31日週五 00:24，Alan Mackie 寫道： > >> >> >> On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 16:38, Martin Koppenhoefer >> wrote: >> >>> Am Do., 30. Juli 2020 um 17:13 Uhr schrieb Alan Mackie < >>>

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 at 19:56, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 5:07 PM Alan Mackie wrote: > >> Many if not most of the entities mentioned in this discussion as being >> candidates for "admin level above country" do have geographic reach >> encomp

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 at 07:21, Paul Norman via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > On 2020-07-31 8:21 a.m., Andy Townsend wrote: > > On 26/05/2020 00:20, Alan Mackie wrote: > > Has this edit war stabilised? > > Apparently it has been blocking coastline updates a

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 at 20:21, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 1. Aug 2020, at 17:20, Alan Mackie wrote: > > > > I don't know how I'd map this. Do you have to pass through border > checkpoints when you enter or leave the area? > > > around here, no,

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

On Tue, 4 Aug 2020, 14:19 , wrote: > - Mensaje original - > > De: "Christoph Hormann" > > Para: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > > Enviados: Martes, 4 de Agosto 2020 9:14:32 > > Asunto: Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war > > > Almost all o

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 at 01:34, wrote: > > > - Mensaje original - > > De: "Joseph Eisenberg" > > Para: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > > Enviados: Martes, 4 de Agosto 2020 16:56:31 > > Asunto: Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war > > > The gra

Re: [Tagging] Apparent conflicting/redundant access tags

On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 07:36, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 17:12:48 +1000 > Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > >OK, now you've all got me confused! > > > >I always thought that access=yes means that it is open to the general > >public, while access=no means that it's not open to th

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 at 02:05, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 at 07:03, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> >> > On 3. Aug 2020, at 22:10, Tod Fitch wrote: >> > >> > Looking at wikipedia, it seems that “storm drain” is used in the UK, >> Canada and the US [1]. And there is an

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 at 18:12, Paul Allen wrote: > On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 at 17:05, Steve Doerr wrote: > >> On 12/08/2020 19:27, Paul Allen wrote: >> >> > I would interpret 'Collects', 'Issues', 'Spreads', and possibly 'Sinks' as >> verbs in the third person singular, rather than plural nouns. >> >

Re: [Tagging] Canopy Walkways

On Fri, 21 Aug 2020, 21:46 Martin Koppenhoefer, wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 21. Aug 2020, at 22:25, Andy Mabbett > wrote: > > > > "public building" and "trunk highway" are also common terms. > > > > Do we tag > > > >building=public_building > > > > or > > > >highway=trunk_hgh

Re: [Tagging] Canopy Walkways

> tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > >> Should the key be bridge? >> I feel like canopy walkways are more like bridges than boardwalks. >> >> Sent from Jake Edmonds' iPhone >> >> On 22 Aug 2020, at 11:08, Alan Mackie wrote: >> >>  >> >>

Re: [Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020, 01:48 Paul Allen, wrote: > On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 01:27, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> >> > On 24. Aug 2020, at 01:45, Paul Allen wrote: >> > >> > It's hostile to public urinators. >> >> agreed, but isn’t publicly urinating an offense anyway? > > > In most jurisdictions

Re: [Tagging] Addition of highway=emergency_bay and priority_road=yes to Map Features?

On Tue, 15 Sep 2020, 07:52 Joseph Eisenberg, wrote: > Two tags were just added to the list of approved and de-facto highway > =* tags on Map features: > highway =emergency_bay >

Re: [Tagging] "width" on streets: Time for a recommendation

On Thu, 17 Sep 2020, 01:37 Taskar Center, wrote: > Hi, > > This is yet another example why "sticking" the sidewalks onto the highway > (as a tag) rather than mapping them as separate ways is appearing to be > less and less practical. Please see our sidewalk schema proposal >

[Tagging] Linking Sidewalks to Highways Was: Re: "width" on streets: Time for a recommendation

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 21:35, Tobias Knerr wrote: > On 17.09.20 02:35, Taskar Center wrote: > > This is yet another example why "sticking" the sidewalks onto the > > highway (as a tag) rather than mapping them as separate ways is > > appearing to be less and less practical. Please see our sidewal

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct marketing)

This seems to me to be a relative of market stalls. Smaller concerns that are 'staffed' but usually have very focussed or limited stock. Part way between a fullblown store and a vending machine, you would not expect to see the facilities you might get in a "proper" shop or as many payment means (th

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

This proposal requires the retagging of over 3 million objects, breaks every existing rendering, editor and a huge amount of documentation in order to replace a term already generally considered gender neutral and easily found in dictionaries (including bilingual ones) with more awkward phrasing th

Re: [Tagging] Questions about public transport tagging

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 at 22:54, ipswichmapper--- via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Hello, I have quite a few questions about Public Transport related tagging > in Openstreetmap. > > My first question is about the "interval:conditional" & "opening_hours" > tag for bus routes. The "Bus

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - parking=street_side​

This seems an odd term. To me a side street is one that branches off from the main road, not an extra bay off to one side. Do you have a link to the previous discussion? On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 16:33, Alex wrote: > Hey all, > > voting has started for street_side parking: > https://wiki.openstree

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - parking=street_side​

Never mind. I've just reread it and it seems I need more coffee. On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 at 10:05, Alan Mackie wrote: > This seems an odd term. To me a side street is one that branches off from > the main road, not an extra bay off to one side. > > Do you have a link to the pr

Re: [Tagging] Elevated housing estate

This probably isn't too far off from many of the larger man_made=pier structures in resort towns, although it lacks the water underneath most of the time. Would man_made=bridge be appropriate for the surrounding area? I think this is becomming fairly common in some flood prone areas, so dedicated

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - barrier:guard_stone

I think the direction tag should be described as optional if the node is on a building way. From the description given the direction of most of these will be "away from the building". On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 22:16, Volker Schmidt wrote: > Yes, that tag is a good idea. > But, it is not a barrier on

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - barrier:guard_stone

On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 17:03, Volker Schmidt wrote: > My gard stone example on a building corne > is also useful > for this part of the discussion. I know the place well and I know the local > amateur history expert, and we talked about thi

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

On Sat, 19 Dec 2020, 15:49 Brian M. Sperlongano, wrote: > I understand pitch to mean "a playing field" (as "pitch" is not often used > in US English -- we would say "soccer field" for example.). I don't know > if a shooting range is a pitch or not, but it definitely isn't a playing > field. > Th

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 10:11, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > Martin Koppenhoefer: > > > > > > sent from a phone > > > >> On 19. Dec 2020, at 23:27, Brian M. Sperlongano > wrote: > >> > >> I understand that the purpose of them is simply to make noise when a > car drives > >> over them, as they don

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

On Fri, 23 Sept 2022, 20:58 Asa Hundert, wrote: > Thank you Volker for linking cai_scale. During my research on the > subject, I learned, that the SAC itself is using its scales quite like > the CAI, as a means to note hikers about requirements of what in OSM > are called "routes", something, whi

Re: [Tagging] scope of emergency=dry_riser_inlet

On Sun, 11 Dec 2022, 03:25 Kyle Hensel, wrote: > I think we need a new tag then. In New Zealand dry risers are not allowed > for new buildings, since charged systems are safer... > > > > François’s suggestion of emergency=riser_inlet + a sub tag seems like a > good idea, but is it possible to dep

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - yarn shops

On Mon, 2 Jan 2023, 16:20 Nate Wessel, wrote: > I was at a store like that > just recently. > > In that case I would probably tend to separate with a semicolon > `shop=yarn;sewing` or just pick the dominant type. There can be a bit of a > blurry bo

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a hole in the ground

The wiki page for natural=sinkhole [1] suggests that it can be used with anthropogenic=yes as supplementary tag. That's assuming that this was covered and collapsed, but even without that history this might be "close enough" to use as a tag. I'd probably double tag as a sinkhole and hazard. [1]:

Re: [Tagging] Tagging proposal On Wheels app 3 - Parking spaces for wheelchair users

On Sun, 14 May 2023 at 19:04, Yves via Tagging wrote: > > > Le 14 mai 2023 17:15:33 GMT+02:00, Tobias Knerr a > écrit : > >On 13.05.23 at 18:28 Marc_marc wrote: > >> why not just add this information as amenity=parking_space geometry ? > > > >Indeed, amenity=parking_space is usually mapped as a

Re: [Tagging] Divided highways, and not so divided highways, one way or two

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 15:50, Vɑdɪm wrote: > Florian Lohoff-2 wrote > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 08:38:28AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Mapping large, multi-lane roads with a "do not cross line" in the > > middle as single line requires 4-5 times the number of turn > > restrictions. These are

Re: [Tagging] From the Australian fires (still burning unfortunately) how to map burnt areas

There are some tags documented on the Russian wiki page for key:wood [1] that describe various types of damage to wooded areas, one of which is wood:damage=burnt. I don't think it's been used much outside of Russia, but it seems fairly reasonable for areas likely to regenerate. There have been oth

Re: [Tagging] Unremovable bollards

On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 at 20:54, ET Commands wrote: > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 11:22:11 +0100 > > From: François Lacombe > > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > > > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Unremovable bollards > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > My 2 cts : key actuat

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

On Sun, 8 Mar 2020, 13:48 Dave F via Tagging, wrote: > This proposal by Stereo is nothing really new. Just a alternative to > routing which has been around since relations were introduced. > Definitely not 'PTv3'. The 'via' option appears almost as difficult to > maintain as including ways. > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

Ptv2 uses a different relation for every possible direction, variant and whim and rolls them up into a routemaster relation. So you can theoretically check whether each bit is continuous. On Mon, 9 Mar 2020, 17:09 Dave F via Tagging, wrote: > On 09/03/2020 13:21, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > > >

Re: [Tagging] Criticism of PTv2 (was: Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3)

On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 at 11:30, John Doe wrote: > > This is quite off-topic, but I can't bear to read more completely > unfounded criticism of PTv2. > > I hereby declare that I find the old tags to be a complete abomination (Is > it on the way? Is it beside the way? Is it a stop, a platform, a halt,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v3

On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 07:55, John Doe wrote: > > A new housing estate with two connections to the existing road system > could cause the bus to be re-routed. > > Sounds a little odd - would a router really route a bus on a > highway=residential or highway=service? > I should hope so, many bus s

Re: [Tagging] Criticism of PTv2

On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 20:54, Phake Nick wrote: > On 2020-03-10 Tue 19:47, Dave F via Tagging > wrote: > >> > A platform is a platform, a perfectly flat bit of sidewalk isn't. >> >> +1 >> >> DaveF >> > > In the sense of bus, sidewalk could be a platform because they are raised > from the driving

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 12:33, Paul Allen wrote: > On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 10:42, Sarah Hoffmann wrote: > >> * section_name (section? stage? leg?) >> > > Segment? Just a thought. > > Might be a bit too much baggage in that term? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Segment

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

Has this edit war stabilised? Apparently it has been blocking coastline updates across the whole world for *months *now. https://osmdata.openstreetmap.de/data/land-polygons.html https://github.com/fossgis/osmdata/issues/7 On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 11:40, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Monday 13 J

Re: [Tagging] Highway mistagging ... again

I think part of the problem with the highway=track description is that even when you are there on the ground it isn't always clear what it's being used for. They are often two ruts in the ground disappearing of into the distance with little else to go on. If you then look at aerial imagery you may

Re: [Tagging] Highway mistagging ... again

On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 18:23, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 04:10:42PM -0600, Mike Thompson wrote: > > I know we just had a similar discussion, but I am discovering more and > more > > cases where mappers have changed every dirt road they can find to > > "highway=track". For

Re: [Tagging] Highway mistagging ... again

On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 16:55, Kevin Kenny wrote: > As far as I can tell, `tracktype` is mostly intended for surface > firmness: how likely are you to sink if you drive it in wet weather? > If I'm not doing a field survey in mud season, it's hard to tell. > Everythiing from grade3 to grade5 will h

Re: [Tagging] Tagging mangroves over water?

On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 at 20:30, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Have you seen any areas of mangroves tagged over water? That is, > outside of the coastline or over natural=water or waterway=riverbank > areas? > > I would like to be able to render mangroves with a fill color, as with > wetland-swamp, a si

Re: [Tagging] Reviewing wiki pages - Tag:landcover=greenery

On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 at 12:05, Paul Allen wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 at 10:46, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Back to landcover=greenery. >> Is there a proposal for this? >> > >> landcover=plants looks like a better tag to me. >> > > Better, because not ot all plants stay green all

Re: [Tagging] Reviewing wiki pages - Tag:landcover=greenery

On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 at 22:34, Paul Allen wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 at 22:13, Alan Mackie wrote: > >> >> On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 at 12:05, Paul Allen wrote: >> >>> Using natural=shrub doesn't cut it if you want to map a shrubbery like >>>