Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Street parking revision

2022-11-10 Thread Robert Skedgell
Thanks, that should make mapping street parking in my local area much easier and more consistent. Where parking=on_kerb or parking=half_on_kerb are used alongside a separately mapped sidewalk or cycle track, should there be a tag on that way as well? It could be useful to routers concerned wit

Re: [Tagging] Relations of type=site + tourism=camp_site

2022-11-10 Thread Marc_marc
Le 09.11.22 à 22:00, Sven Geggus a écrit : Now a recent changeset discussion is questioning my whole approach because it arguably violates the "One feature, one OSM element principle": https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126035627 this chanset is big, witch relation for ex ? Ignoring the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Street parking revision

2022-11-10 Thread Alex
I think such limitations can be mapped sufficiently by using "width", "maxwidth:physical" or "wheelchair" etc. For hazards like dooring zones, there are already experiments with "hazard[:bicycle]" or "danger", but more documentation or a proposal on this might be useful. Am 10.11.22 um 08:59

Re: [Tagging] Relations of type=site + tourism=camp_site

2022-11-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Yes, using site relation in addition to actual object breaks this rule and it is undesirable (and site relations in general are problematic). It would be also problem with type=site site=camp_sites and similar trying to hide duplication. Is there some reason why this camp sites cannot be mapped a

Re: [Tagging] Relations of type=site + tourism=camp_site

2022-11-10 Thread Yves via Tagging
Site relations are often used to models thing that aren't spatially joined, like windfarms, universities... I can easily imagine it's reasonable to use them for campings in some corner cases where a single area doesn't work. Yves Le 10 novembre 2022 12:11:44 GMT+01:00, Mateusz Konieczny via Ta

Re: [Tagging] Relations of type=site + tourism=camp_site

2022-11-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 10 Nov 2022, at 12:31, Yves via Tagging wrote: > > Site relations are often used to models thing that aren't spatially joined, > like windfarms, universities... > I can easily imagine it's reasonable to use them for campings in some corner > cases where a single area

Re: [Tagging] Relations of type=site + tourism=camp_site

2022-11-10 Thread Marc_marc
Le 10.11.22 à 12:26, Yves via Tagging a écrit : it's reasonable to use them for campings in some corner cases where a single area doesn't work. taking one random exemple : https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13012999#map=19/49.12702/10.86422 according to the parking name=*, the parking may b

Re: [Tagging] Relations of type=site + tourism=camp_site

2022-11-10 Thread Yves via Tagging
Good point Martin Le 10 novembre 2022 12:36:51 GMT+01:00, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > >sent from a phone > >> On 10 Nov 2022, at 12:31, Yves via Tagging wrote: >> >> Site relations are often used to models thing that aren't spatially joined, >> like windfarms, universities... >> I can

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - deposit rings

2022-11-10 Thread Sebastian Martin Dicke
Hi everyone, I propose the new key deposit_ring to indicate if a waste basket is equipped with a deposit ring, which number began to grow in Germany some years ago. These are present at (central situated) waste baskets in over one hundred German municipalities nowadays. You can read the pro

Re: [Tagging] Railway tagging: detail key

2022-11-10 Thread Marc_marc
Le 09.11.22 à 15:20, Marc_marc a écrit : Hello, Le 09.11.22 à 10:59, Nathan Case a écrit : The key is predominantly used in France (77.6% of uses [3]) no idea. forwarded/translated to talk-fr + 2 changeset comment feedback from the main (if not the only) contributor of this tag in France :

Re: [Tagging] Railway tagging: detail key

2022-11-10 Thread Nathan Case
Thanks (merci!) for your response and for looking into this Marc. Since it seems a large part of the usage of this key will be reverted, I'll leave it as undocumented for now. Nathan On 10/11/2022 15:32, Marc_marc wrote: Le 09.11.22 à 15:20, Marc_marc a écrit : Hello, Le 09.11.22 à 10:59,

Re: [Tagging] Relations of type=site + tourism=camp_site

2022-11-10 Thread Sven Geggus
Yves wrote: > Instead of type=site + tourism=camp_site, type=site + site=camp_site would > be less prone to objections, maybe. Well, wiki states that site=something is not recommended anymore. Sven -- All bugs added by David S. Miller Linux Kernel boot message from /usr/src/linux/net/8021q/

Re: [Tagging] Relations of type=site + tourism=camp_site

2022-11-10 Thread Sven Geggus
Marc_marc wrote: >> Ignoring the principle (which is not absolute anyway) > > sorry but reading "No two campings", I can only agree > that a campsite has only one tourism=camp_site tag and not 2 Shure. However I do not consider the site-relation a campsite itself but a collection of other objec

Re: [Tagging] Relations of type=site + tourism=camp_site

2022-11-10 Thread Sven Geggus
Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > Yes, using site relation in addition to actual object breaks this rule > and it is undesirable (and site relations in general are problematic). Why do you think that "site relations in general are problematic"? > Is there some reason why this camp sites ca

Re: [Tagging] Relations of type=site + tourism=camp_site

2022-11-10 Thread Sven Geggus
Marc_marc wrote: > taking one random exemple : > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13012999#map=19/49.12702/10.86422 > according to the parking name=*, the parking may be include in the > tourism=site_camp Yes but this is simply not as it is on the ground. The parking is not _part_ of the

Re: [Tagging] Relations of type=site + tourism=camp_site

2022-11-10 Thread Sven Geggus
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > multipolygons can solve any disjoint area problems, you only need a site > relation if some members are nodes or linear ways or relations. External objects of camp-sites are often node shaped. Sven -- "In my opinion MS is a lot better at making money than it is a

Re: [Tagging] Relations of type=site + tourism=camp_site

2022-11-10 Thread Sven Geggus
Yves via Tagging wrote: > Site relations are often used to models thing that aren't spatially > joined, like windfarms, universities... I can easily imagine it's > reasonable to use them for campings in some corner cases where a single > area doesn't work. Yes, let me clarify this with an examp

Re: [Tagging] Relations of type=site + tourism=camp_site

2022-11-10 Thread Yves via Tagging
Ah? Le 10 novembre 2022 21:09:47 GMT+01:00, Sven Geggus a écrit : >Yves wrote: > >> Instead of type=site + tourism=camp_site, type=site + site=camp_site would >> be less prone to objections, maybe. > >Well, wiki states that site=something is not recommended anymore. > >Sven > How to map Cre

Re: [Tagging] Relations of type=site + tourism=camp_site

2022-11-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 10 Nov 2022, at 21:21, Sven Geggus wrote: > All the sites in the above changeset would need one or more additional > redundant tags like restaurant=yes on the main node or way if a site > relation is no longer an option. so a restaurant is part of the camp site, but is

Re: [Tagging] Relations of type=site + tourism=camp_site

2022-11-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 10 Nov 2022, at 21:24, Sven Geggus wrote: > > Which is just plain wrong as they are not _only_. you could have the sports centre and the camp site overlap, this way it wouldn’t be _only_ A site relation doesn’t magically solve the uncertainty of exclusive vs. shared