On 9/10/22 17:44, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 at 16:36, stevea wrote:
> Disagree, some are are the same feature .. taps can be drinking
water .. or 'not suitable for drinking' (legal CYA?), 'recommend
you boil' (more CYA?), and 'not suitable for drinking' (you
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> On 9 Oct 2022, at 08:50, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I'll be voting no.
me too, it is trying to deprecate a handful of tags I am using for fountain
classification. Why do people have to “deprecate” other people’s tags when they
introduce new ones with differ
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> On 9 Oct 2022, at 08:43, stevea wrote:
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> Tags must capture these differences, and more.
and ideally they should do it in a way to reduce confusion
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On 9/10/22 18:37, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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On 9 Oct 2022, at 08:50, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll be voting no.
me too, it is trying to deprecate a handful of tags I am using for
fountain classification. Why do people have to “deprecate” other
people’s
On Oct 9, 2022, at 12:41 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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>> On 9 Oct 2022, at 08:43, stevea wrote:
>> Tags must capture these differences, and more.
>
> and ideally they should do it in a way to reduce confusion
Yes, thank you; +1. (I forgot to add “to reduce confusion,” you
Creating a new tag for an as-yet-unmapped feature (key) with variants
(differing values): no harder than making a formal Proposal (some effort, not
terribly difficult) and getting a super-majority to Approve. Do-able, “some
effort,” not trivial, but not impossible, either. I’ll say “about rig
Creating a new tag for an as-yet-unmapped feature (key) with variants
(differing values): no harder than making a formal Proposal (some effort, not
terribly difficult) and getting a super-majority to Approve. Do-able, “some
effort,” not trivial, but not impossible, either. I’ll say “about rig
I withdrew this proposal. Thanks for your feedback!
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My sincere apologies for any double-post you might have received from me just
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Oct 9, 2022, 10:53 by stevea...@softworkers.com:
> There is also the more “rogue” (not well-sanctioned, rather “under the
> radar,” maybe looked at by some or many as “disapproved” or “questionable…”)
> method of simply “any tag you like, and using it in the wild” (without the
> whole Propos
Hello everybody,
Voting has started for "Require proposal announcements to be made on the new
forum instead of the mailing list."
Please, read the proposal carefully, since the first announcement, things have
changed.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Require_proposal_anno
No, it would not "turn them into taps", but it WOULD mean that a tap is present
as part of the structure of the device. "amenity=drinking_water; tap=yes".
The water is potable and you have to operate a tap to make it flow (so you may
be OK to get a drink, but your dog might struggle and need a
Vào lúc 23:50 2022-10-08, stevea đã viết:
On Oct 8, 2022, at 11:44 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 at 16:36, stevea wrote:
Disagree, some are are the same feature .. taps can be drinking water .. or
'not suitable for drinking' (legal CYA?), 'recommend you boil' (more CYA?),
Am So., 9. Okt. 2022 um 12:22 Uhr schrieb Minh Nguyen <
m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us>:
> drinking_water=no is already approved for non-potable water, and there
> are non-Boolean values and drinking_water:legal=* if you'd like to split
> hairs.
+1
> I'd expect that a tag for fountains and a t
On Sat, Oct 08, 2022 at 03:01:57PM -0700, Minh Nguyen wrote:
> > But I was just trying to feed in that calling these things fountains is
> > not natural in everyday British English. Feel free to ignore.
> > The one term which is natural, drinking_fountain, I gather at least
> > one person wants to
Minh, thank you for your always-excellent research. With this recent law
(2017) about purple pipes in California and the 2015 Uniform Codes (Plumbing,
Mechanical), I stand corrected as to my “there is no color-coding” (on pipes
for reclaimed water in California).
On Oct 9, 2022, at 3:19 AM,
On Oct 9, 2022, at 2:10 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
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> Oct 9, 2022, 10:53 by stevea...@softworkers.com:
> There is also the more “rogue” (not well-sanctioned, rather “under the
> radar,” maybe looked at by some or many as “disapproved” or “questionable…”)
> method of simply “any tag
I'll be voting no.
Me too, I feel there are way too many changes.
I'd rather better define the values of fountain=*.
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Hello,
voting has started for the proposal Payment denominations.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Payment_denominations
Have a nice week!
Kind regards,
Michael (Discostu36)
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As the next part of drinking water linguistic journey I documented at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap#Examples
(bottom example) that bubblers are mostly water taps, despite that
it may be highly confusing for some people which are not native
speakers.
Like me.
Let me
For now I
1) notified people who used added this tag more than once
(currently mapped man_made=drinking_fountain are counted)
See notification list at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:man_made%3Ddrinking_fountain#Deprecation
2) added section "Problems" at
https://wiki.openstreetmap
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> On 9 Oct 2022, at 22:01, m.brandt...@posteo.de wrote:
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> voting has started for the proposal Payment denominations.
question: is it legal in the EU not to accept certain types of Euronotes?
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Oct 9, 2022, 22:58 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:
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>> On 9 Oct 2022, at 22:01, m.brandt...@posteo.de wrote:
>>
>> voting has started for the proposal Payment denominations.
>>
>
>
> question: is it legal in the EU not to accept certain types of Euronotes?
>
no idea, but ma
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> On 9 Oct 2022, at 22:56, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
> wrote:
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> As the next part of drinking water linguistic journey I documented at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap#Examples
> (bottom example) that bubblers are mostly water taps, despite
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> On 9 Oct 2022, at 22:56, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
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> Let me know if this edit was right or wrong (I am quite confused here,
> and this is why I want to document this to make situation less confusing).
IMHO saying it _is_ a water tap is confusing, I’d say i
Oct 4, 2022, 15:15 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:
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>> On 4 Oct 2022, at 14:46, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
>> wrote:
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>> See for example image shown at
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:fountain%3Ddrinking
>>
>
>
> this one is an exception, it’s inside a sc
Oct 4, 2022, 15:14 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:
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> sent from a phone
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>> On 4 Oct 2022, at 14:46, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
>> wrote:
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>> Also, ones in Rome that I have seen mostly had downward flow.
>>
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>
> the typical, mostly deployed types in Rome (nasone and roman_wolf) are both
Oct 9, 2022, 23:08 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:
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>> On 9 Oct 2022, at 22:56, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
>> wrote:
>>
>> Let me know if this edit was right or wrong (I am quite confused here,
>> and this is why I want to document this to make situation less confusing)
Oct 9, 2022, 23:06 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:
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> sent from a phone
>
>
>> On 9 Oct 2022, at 22:56, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
>> wrote:
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>> As the next part of drinking water linguistic journey I documented at
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap#Examples
>>
On Oct 9, 2022, at 1:53 PM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
wrote:
> As the next part of drinking water linguistic journey I documented at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap#Examples
> (bottom example) that bubblers are mostly water taps, despite that
> it may be highly
Hello,
Le 09.10.22 à 22:58, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit :
is it legal in the EU not to accept certain types of Euronotes?
I seem to have heard that some people wanted to ban it when
the amount is less than half the ticket, also with coin in a bus.
but it's certainly not forbidden to pay for 5
As an American, I would not consider "fontanella bolsena" (
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Fontanella_Bolsena.jpg) to be a
drinking fountain, it appears to be a public drinking water "tap" (though
in American English we would usually call it a faucet or spigot).
On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 2:
On Oct 4, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Marc_marc wrote:
> Le 04.10.22 à 14:52, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging a écrit :
>> I would prefer even more using a different key for both: maybe
>> flow=gentle_upward_jet
>> flow=downward
>> would be better?
>
> as a not-native, gentle_upward_jet is again a mix severa
On Oct 9, 2022, at 2:38 PM, stevea wrote:
> For Fontanella_Bolsena, I say exactly the same things: could go either way.
> If someone tagged this "drinking fountain," I might shake my head "no,"
> (downward flow), but I would be terribly upset, because it IS drinking WATER
> and it is a tap.
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> On 9 Oct 2022, at 23:14, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
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> Or lets take
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Fontanella_Bolsena.jpg
> illustrating fountain=drinking and seemingly without upward flow:
> is it a drinking fountain?
IMHO yes, it is near a beac
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> On 9 Oct 2022, at 23:14, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
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> If yes - why
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Water_flowing_from_drinking_water_tap.jpg
> would not be a water fountain?
looking again at this, it really is a poor construction and will not wo
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> On 9 Oct 2022, at 23:40, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
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> As an American, I would not consider "fontanella bolsena"
> (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Fontanella_Bolsena.jpg) to be a
> drinking fountain, it appears to be a public drinking water "tap" (though in
> Ame
On Oct 9, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> what about this?
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AFountain_Largo_Samuele_Alatri,_Roma,_Italia_Sep_01,_2020_12-52-56_PM.jpeg
For this one, it doesn't even have a tap (apparently, water simply continuously
flows), so I hesitate to
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> On 10 Oct 2022, at 00:15, stevea wrote:
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> If this water is potable, it's amenity=drinking_water.
yes, it is potable, and if you look closely you’ll notice that the tube has an
upper hole, so when you tap the flow it will create a vertical spout in the
curve, so someh
On Oct 9, 2022, at 4:15 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> On 10 Oct 2022, at 00:15, stevea wrote:
>>
>> If this water is potable, it's amenity=drinking_water.
>
> yes, it is potable, and if you look closely you’ll notice that the tube has
> an upper hole, so when you tap the flow it will crea
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> On 9 Oct 2022, at 23:26, Marc_marc wrote:
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> but it's certainly not forbidden to pay for 500€ with a 500€ note,
> even though some shops refuse to let you do so
I heard it was forbidden in this case not to accept the 500 bill as it is legal
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> On 10 Oct 2022, at 01:31, stevea wrote:
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> I suppose somebody figured "well, the drainage is good" (or even improved,
> as here with a grate to a wastewater system, apparently)
yes, these are always connected via a grate with the sewers
> and "well, it doesn't make
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> On 9 Oct 2022, at 23:21, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
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> Which one?
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Water_flowing_from_drinking_water_tap.jpg
> ?
yes, this one is not very clear, although the sticker they added makes it clear
it is fine for drinki
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> On 9 Oct 2022, at 23:21, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
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> I started this thread to confirm/reject listing
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bubbler.jpg as
> man_made=water_tap
> fountain=bubbler
> drinking_water=yes
> amenity=drinking_water
replace man
Yes, I'm glad to hear this: somebody refusing a 500€ bill / invoice with a
500€ note would simply make me leave the note on the table (counter, hand of
the proprietor, if s/he let me...) and walk away, my obligation to remunerate
fully and legally completed.
At least in the USA, using currency
On Oct 9, 2022, at 5:06 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> On 9 Oct 2022, at 23:21, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
>> wrote:
>>
>> I started this thread to confirm/reject listing
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bubbler.jpg as
>> man_made=water_tap
>> fountain=bubbler
>> drinking_water
On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 at 10:13, stevea wrote:
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> > replace man_made=water_tap with tap=yes and I subscribe. Also remove the
> redundant drinking_water=yes, it is implied by amenity=drinking_water
>
> This makes a lot of sense; +1.
>
Yep!
Thanks
Graeme
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> Yes, I'm glad to hear this: somebody refusing a 500€ bill / invoice with
> a 500€ note would simply make me leave the note on the table (counter, hand
> of the proprietor, if s/he let me...) and walk away, my obligation to
> remunerate fully and lega
I see the wiki yesterday has received some more question marks regarding
distinction of water taps and drinking fountains, claiming that the drinking
fountain tag has fewer usage as the water tap and “many fountains also qualify
for the water tap tag”.
IMHO this is the result of loosing focus.
Such "rules" would be somewhere in the realm of the "policy" of the merchant
(or perhaps government agency). I recall a guy in Los Angeles rather famously
paying for a very overdue parking ticket of $180 with 18,000 pennies. They
tried to refuse him, they tried to close the "counter" where you
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