Re: [Tagging] tag templates in the wiki

Re: >On the wiki pages you can ignore / overwrite most of the the values from data items but in iD you always get the values from the data items. Yuri, This is quite concerning. If ID is getting descriptions and other data from the data items, but the pages are displaying the text on the page, it

Re: [Tagging] tag templates in the wiki

I guess next, someone will come up with another solution to replace both, so we will have three solutuions. And then, someone... Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 13 aug. 2019 om 09:26 schreef Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > Re: >On the wiki pages you can ignore / overwrite most of t

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

sent from a phone > On 13. Aug 2019, at 05:19, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Changing the classification from trunk to > primary to trunk again, in the middle of a rural area, breaks the > network. it breaks the trunk network, but if there isn’t a trunk network (according to what is consid

[Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

Hello everyone, On the discussion page of the wiki entry Hiking (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Hiking#Synchronize_wiki_page_Hiking.2C_Walking_Routes.2C_route.3Dhiking_and_route.3Dfoot_on_tagging_scheme.) I have started a topic, but with little response so far. That's why I come here,

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

I am all for harmonizing the wiki pages about walking routes. When that is done, I would like to do the Dutch translation and discuss the tagging scheme. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 13 aug. 2019 om 10:52 schreef s8evq : > Hello everyone, > > On the discussion page of the wiki entry Hiking ( > ht

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 09:52, s8evq wrote: Would it not be easier and more clear if we just keep one, and add a link > to it in the others? > A principle used in programming is "DRY." Don't repeat yourself. Maintaining the same code in two or more places will cause problems down the line when o

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

On 13/08/19 19:12, Peter Elderson wrote: I am all for harmonizing the wiki pages about walking routes. +1 When that is done, I would like to do the Dutch translation and discuss the tagging scheme. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 13 aug. 2019 om 10:52 schreef s8evq >:

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 01:37, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > If classes like motorway or trunk are bound to legal or physical > characteristics rather than only a hierarchical network, and aren’t > “complete” from a network aspect, you will get the gaps. > This is the case in the UK. You do get

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 04:23, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Rather than using highway=trunk to define a autovia, motorroad or > expressway with a certain maxspeed=, lanes=, or surface quality, I > believe it is better to either 1) follow the national classification > system, when this is logical an

Re: [Tagging] tag templates in the wiki

13 Aug 2019, 07:52 by hufkrat...@gmail.com: >> Fortunately we can (and should) ignore it >> by filling parameters of the template. >> >> > > On the wiki pages you can ignore / overwrite most of the the valuesfrom > data items but in iD you always get the values from the dataitems. In >

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 09:28, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Sometimes it won’t help if this can only be one road, because for example > a primary road could dissolve into several secondary roads (or can’t it?). > Town or city on the coast with only one primary road leading to it. Secondary road

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

Re: > In Spain we have motorways (autopistas) and also we have motorways (autovías). I believe those translate as (sorry, my Spanish is rusty) autopista (Lit. auto(mobile) raceway) = freeway (US), motorway (UK) - tag as highway=motorway autovía (Lit. auto(mobile) road) = expressway (US), motorr

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

sent from a phone > On 13. Aug 2019, at 13:18, Paul Allen wrote: > > > In my opinion, tagging the trunk roads (and secondary roads) passing through > that city > as residential would be very unhelpful. yes, this is a discussion we also had over weeks and months in Italy, many years ago, w

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 14:49, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > In case of a road going through a settlement I would keep the road class. > The wiki page on residential is also clear on this I thought: ‘This tag is > used for roads accessing or around residential areas but which are not > normally u

Re: [Tagging] tag templates in the wiki

Unfortunately, the "bot" stops working if the data item is directly edited, according to Yurik's comment on my talk page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Jeisenbe#Status_removal "...I couldn't get the status "abandoned" to show up as an option, so gave up. I expect your bot will fix

Re: [Tagging] tag templates in the wiki

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 15:05, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > "...I couldn't get the status "abandoned" to show up as an option, so > gave up. I expect your bot will fix it in the morning. ..." - Jeisenbe > " Sadly no, the bot won't fix it -- it will never touch anything > contaminated by humans :) I

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

sent from a phone > On 13. Aug 2019, at 16:02, Paul Allen wrote: > > Which diverged into this thread. We've come full circle. I am aware, but apparently from time to time you have to repeat and explain the outcome of older discussions to bring those on board who have joined later ;-) Ch

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

I'm all for harmonizing, as well - but let's bear in mind that in some places, a 'walking' route and a 'hiking' route may be distinct concepts, partly in terms of accessibility. If a walking route can be managed by Grandpa with his cane and two-year-old granddaughter in tow, that's hardly what an A

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:35 AM Paul Allen wrote: > Hard agree. Even though it's starting to look like I live in the only country > in the world with a national classification system that is logical and > internally consistent (and even we have a few rare exceptional cases). :) The US certainly

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

On 8/13/2019 12:14 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: Alas, we can't do what Google Maps does, and aggregate the private information of everyone carrying a cell phone to measure current traffic speeds. That appears to be how Google's router makes its decisions. Of course we used to have something along tho

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

In the US I have been a proponent of using the Highway Functional Classification as a guide when determining road classifications. I have used it extensively in Georgia to help with road classification. https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/processes/statewide/related/highway_functional_classification

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

On 8/13/2019 4:50 AM, s8evq wrote: Currently, there are four tagging scheme tables describing how walking (or hiking) routes should be tagged. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hiking https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Walking_Routes https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route%3Dhiking htt

Re: [Tagging] tag templates in the wiki

On 13.08.2019 16:16, Paul Allen wrote: > [...] None of those are perfect, and maybe somebody can come up with something better. [...] My suggestion is that the bot only updates in one direction: values ​​of wiki pages always take precedence and override corresponding fields in the data elemen

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 19:18, Kevin wrote: > > It is a national system, with each state having a say in how their roads > are classed. Take a look, I think it's a good way to a solution for the > perennial roadway class issue in the US. > I took a quick look. It appears that a lot of thought ha

Re: [Tagging] tag templates in the wiki

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 19:20, Hufkratzer wrote: > On 13.08.2019 16:16, Paul Allen wrote: > > [...] None of those are perfect, and maybe somebody can come up with > something better. [...] > > My suggestion is that the bot only updates in one direction: values of > wiki pages always take preceden

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:17:07 -0400, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: > Hi s8evq, I'm withholding judgement for now on the larger question of > combining these, but one comment: All four of these tables describe > 'colour' as "especially useful for public transport routes" which isn't > particular rel

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

True, that's something that could be added to the tagging scheme. For example "route=foot|hiking" explaining the difference in de explanation column. On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:07:56 -0400, Kevin Kenny wrote: > I'm all for harmonizing, as well - but let's bear in mind that in some > places, a 'walk

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

Foot is always right, at some point it may turn into hiking, also dependent on what you carry, where it happens, and how you feel about it. Personal preference/country/region largely determine how you call it. For all practical purposes, highway=foot and highway=hiking are the same. If a renderer o

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 21:19, Paul Allen wrote: > A good example is the A487 passing > through the centre of the city of Aberystwyth: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.4163&mlon=-4.0802#map=15/52.4163/-4.0802 > Just looking at your sample there, Paul, & it's a good chance to ask a quest

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

On Wed, 2019-08-14 at 08:26 +1000, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 21:19, Paul Allen wrote: > > A good example is the A487 passing > > through the centre of the city of Aberystwyth: > > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.4163&mlon=-4.0802#map=15/52.4163/-4.0802 > >

Re: [Tagging] tag templates in the wiki

On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 00:18, Paul Allen wrote: > > What might be feasible, and better is one of the following (in order of > preference) > Not arguing or disagreeing in any way, but poor bloody Admins ... :-( Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list T

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 23:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > In your sample, would someone driving from Aberystwyth Uni, go along the > A487, then the A44 & the A4120 to get to Blandolau Rec Grounds, or would > they use Penglais Rd, Quebec Rd, Ffordd Sulien then Heol-y-Bont? > > They'd probably ta

Re: [Tagging] tag templates in the wiki

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 23:36, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 00:18, Paul Allen wrote: > >> >> What might be feasible, and better is one of the following (in order of >> preference) >> > > Not arguing or disagreeing in any way, but poor bloody Admins ... :-( > Indeed. But

[Tagging] Past discussions Was:Re: Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

On 14/08/19 00:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 13. Aug 2019, at 16:02, Paul Allen wrote: Which diverged into this thread. We've come full circle. I am aware, but apparently from time to time you have to repeat and explain the outcome of older discussions to bring thos

Re: [Tagging] tag templates in the wiki

On 14/08/19 09:47, Paul Allen wrote: On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 23:36, Graeme Fitzpatrick mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 00:18, Paul Allen mailto:pla16...@gmail.com>> wrote: What might be feasible, and better is one of the following (in order of

Re: [Tagging] Past discussions Was:Re: Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

It’s reasonable to add something to the wiki page, eg a link to the start of the thread in the Tagging archives. Perhaps also mention a summary of the discussion on the Talk page too. Joseph On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 9:02 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 14/08/19 00:20, Martin Koppenhoe

[Tagging] Gorges, Canyons, Ravines: natural=valley or new tag?

A few months ago we discussed how to tag gorges, canyons and ravines. These are steep-sided valleys, sometimes with cliffs. Myself and at least one other person were in favor of using natural=valley, + valley=ravine / valley=gorge / valley=canyon. However, there is already a non-English wiki page

Re: [Tagging] Gorges, Canyons, Ravines: natural=valley or new tag?

To me a canyon is narrow with steep cliffs on either side (a place where you'd go canyoning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canyoning) and a gorge is much wider and may have less steep sides but then you have the Grand Canyon in the US which is wide and less steep sides. I'd vote for separate ta

Re: [Tagging] Gorges, Canyons, Ravines: natural=valley or new tag?

Apparently in the UK and Canada both Gorge and Ravine are used for narrow valleys with steep sides, according to Wikipedia. So will we have natural=canyon/gorge/ravine/defile as synonyms, or can we pick the best “British English” term and use it for all 3. See natural=cape, used for points/headla

Re: [Tagging] Gorges, Canyons, Ravines: natural=valley or new tag?

On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 13:50, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > So will we have natural=canyon/gorge/ravine/defile as synonyms, or can we > pick the best “British English” term and use it for all 3. > > See natural=cape, used for points/headlands/etc, and natural=bay, used for > fjords/inlets/lagoons/s

Re: [Tagging] Gorges, Canyons, Ravines: natural=valley or new tag?

Thanks Graeme On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 15:19, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Personally, I'd go for natural=valley = valley=canyon/gorge/ravine/defile > where applicable > That's supposed to say natural=valley *+* valley=canyon etc Graeme ___ Taggi