Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

Americans would call them travel trailers, or camper trailers, and I would also categorize fifth-wheel campers as trailers, despite their sometimes enormous size, because they are pulled by a separate vehicle. Paul wrote earlier: In the US the term RV is a blanket term covering self-propelled, tra

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

sent from a phone > On 14. Jan 2019, at 02:15, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > The mandate to use UK English in tags breaks down when UK English > lacks the vocabulary! +1, we‘ve seen this in other fields as well, e.g. the distinction of „Burg“ and „Schloss“ in German, which somehow translate both t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Hierarchies route=bicycle)

Hello, voschix wrote > 1) The problem exists in the same way also for other routes like: > route=road|foot|hiking|bus|trolleybus|tram|mtb| > So the wording has to be reviewed under this aspect Exactly, I have already made the same reflection on bus routes that take the same path over long distan

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Hierarchies route=bicycle)

Hello, Richard Fairhurst wrote > Axelos wrote: >> Hello, I propose a concept for contributing cycling route. > > From the description on the wiki page, I'm not sure how your proposal > differs from the practice documented at > https://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/help/rendering/hierarchies . Coul

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Hierarchies route=bicycle)

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 10:38, Axelos wrote: The direction signs are a real problem. An alternative solution is to > exploit the destination key > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org//search?q=destination%3Abicycle > However, it's an incomplete solution. Around here, official cycle routes have fin

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 22:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Wow, so much for me naively thinking that caravan was a universal word! > Should know better by now :-) > Yeah, where are the camels? It's not a proper caravan without camels. Have a question about searching though, which was raised pre

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

Round and round we go and ne'er the twain shall meet. Mobile home simply will not work in this use case. Nobody camps or travels from place to place in a mobile home. On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:01 PM Paul Allen wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 22:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > >> Wow, so much

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 13:01, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > Mobile home simply will not work in this use case. Nobody camps or travels > from place to place in a mobile home. > Yes, it's rare for people to use a generic term when a specific term is available. But we're trying to find a generic term

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

On 13/01/2019 23:42, Warin wrote: On 14/01/19 09:07, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Wow, so much for me naively thinking that caravan was a universal word! Should know better by now :-) On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 21:58, Paul Allen > wrote: However, there does appear to

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

sent from a phone > On 14. Jan 2019, at 14:16, Paul Allen wrote: > > In what way is a static caravan irrevocably immobile to the extent that a > house made of bricks is? I’ve a counter example, never say never, TRANSLOCATION KAISERSAAL https://www.sonycenter.de/en/architecture “During Wor

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

Am 11.01.2019 um 15:45 schrieb Kevin Kenny: Despite your repeated denials, you're continuing to try to invent a set of definitions that, at least in NL, will encompass all TOPs and nothing else. If that's your aim, then invent a tag for TOP and use it, That's a good summary I can second. Pet

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

Am 11.01.2019 um 18:15 schrieb Andy Townsend: On 11/01/2019 17:05, Peter Elderson wrote:  The Trans-Pennine Trail trailhead is a trailhead No - it really isn't.  That was my entire point.  I'm willing to bet a small round of beer in the pub up the road that almost no-one walking past that in

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

What Kevin said was not my aim, I have said that before. I agreed with the general description Kenny came up with. Those places can be (and have been) tagged highway=trailhead, whether these are also TOPs or not, that is the idea. You can disagree whether particular places now marked as trailhea

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair designated parking space tagging?

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 02:43:57PM +0100, althio wrote: > Richard wrote: > > many parking places are fee=yes for normal users and fee=no for handicapped > > users. > > How can this be mapped? > > As documented on the https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fee you > can use the conditional struc

Re: [Tagging] Yay, new howto map for diabilities created in wiki

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 11:43:15AM +, Paul Allen wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 22:37, Philip Barnes wrote: it is a howto, so I will rename it accordingly.. not quite sure yet which name to choose: * Howto mapping for the needs of handicapped persons * Howto mapping for the needs of disable

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Hierarchies route=bicycle)

Axelos wrote: > ID is not suitable for this type of contribution (relations), he knows > how to do it, but in a superficial and irrelevant way. > It's not up to OSM to adapt to ID, but the opposite. Since it is not > up to OSM to adapt to opencyclemap but the opposite (ref = icn). > Potlach 2 in

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 19:46, Dave Swarthout wrote: > Americans would call them travel trailers, or camper trailers, and I would > also categorize fifth-wheel campers as trailers, despite their sometimes > enormous size, because they are pulled by a separate vehicle. > Yep, agree with you To co

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 21:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Been thinking about exactly that overnight! > > So, change this main page to shop=rv, with type=powered / towed; sells; > parts; rental etc etc; & also "See also" of 4WD / SUV see shop=car; quad > bikes see shop=motorbike etc > Except,

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:16 PM Andy Townsend wrote: > No - it really isn't. That was my entire point. I'm willing to bet a > small round of beer in the pub up the road that almost no-one walking > past that info board will say "oh look - that's a trailhead for the TPT". On the other hand, I'l

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

I’d like to discourage use of the term rv, it is an abbreviation and I believe is more difficult to understand for non natives than the other options. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/lis

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

I agree. I never meant to exclude any significant path to a trail, even if it’s ‘ just’ a path, it can of course be significant because it’s the only access point in miles, even if it has no official name, and that’s precisely why I keep saying it’s up to the mappers. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 07:24, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 21:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > >> >> type=powered / towed; >> > > Except, from the definitions I've seen, it excludes static caravans. > Which are mobile (even if only > moved infrequently) but are not vehicles. > OK

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

What's the key dangling there for, Kev? Thanks Graeme On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 08:05, Kevin Kenny wrote: > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ke9tv/14920080943/ - > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 22:45, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > >> Except, of course, that "RV" is American English. >> > > True, except: > > https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&ei=hA09XPHBBcXb9QO93ZK4Bw&q=rv+gold+coast+australia&oq=rv+gold+coast+australia&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i22i29i30l10.1509

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:50 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > What's the key dangling there for, Kev? Absolutely no idea! I left it as I found it. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

sent from a phone > On 14. Jan 2019, at 23:43, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > OK, so take it out to the full =recreational_vehicle I would still consider this not obvious in meaning, recreational doesn’t convey that it is about sleeping, cooking, ablutions etc. in the vehicle. caravan and

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

> On Jan 14, 2019, at 2:51 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:50 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: >> What's the key dangling there for, Kev? > > Absolutely no idea! I left it as I found it. > Guess: Someone found it on the trail and figured it would be easier for the person

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 08:50, Paul Allen wrote: > > RV may not be only American, but it's still not UK English. > Of course, you are correct Paul, I was forgetting for a moment that OSM is supposed to be British English throughout (although we all know that that's not really true!). Minor techn

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 09:04, Tod Fitch wrote: > > Guess: Someone found it on the trail and figured it would be easier for > the person missing it to find it hanging from the sign than some place > along miles of trail. > Bit of a problem when you've got to walk back the 65 klm looking for it!

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

I could live with two pages. A shop=caravan and a shop=recreational_vehicles cross-referenced to one another. It will be clear from the description that such recreational_vehicles contain kitchens, bathrooms, living quarters, and are not towed while the caravan page can specify the same but be rest

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

Kevin said: I'm therefore going to stick with 'designated or customary place to begin or end a trip on a trail.' Me too. I've mapped many such trailheads in Alaska and almost everybody I know would recognize the term trailhead as meaning a point of access to a path or trail. It's fine to add other

[Tagging] Route maintenance tagging

(...) Next step: creating a webpage which lists (a selection of ) walking > route relations sorted by survey:date ascending. Using an osm-query as data > source. I'll need help for that, because I probably can put a sorteable wikitable > on a wikipage but I have no idea how to fill a table from a

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 6:16 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 09:04, Tod Fitch wrote: >> Guess: Someone found it on the trail and figured it would be easier for the >> person missing it to find it hanging from the sign than some place along >> miles of trail. > Bit of a pro

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 09:51, Kevin Kenny wrote: > I've even seen parties going in opposite directions arrange to exchange > their keys at the midpoint, and then each picks up the other's car at > the end and drives to a common meeting point. Long-distance hikers are > a creative lot. > Yep, see

[Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

> You can put your microtome away. Anyway, it's not meant for splitting hairs. :p... RV may not be only American, but it's still not UK English. The U.K. has about 1 million 'leisure' caravans. Europe as a whole, about 5,230,000. My microtome shows the U.S. accounts for 60% of global RV sales,

Re: [Tagging] Route maintenance tagging

This is great, thanks! It doesn't have to be a wikitable. I am already using it! Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 15 jan. 2019 om 00:45 schreef Jan Macura : > > > (...) Next step: creating a webpage which lists (a selection of ) walking >> route relations sorted by survey:date ascending. Using an osm

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 2:01 PM Dave Swarthout wrote: > > Round and round we go and ne'er the twain shall meet. > > Mobile home simply will not work in this use case. Nobody camps or travels > from place to place in a mobile home. > Except when you live in Flanders, as we use "Mobilhome" for mot