Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Mapping disputed boundaries (Version 1.3)

Thank you for this thoughtful analysis, Fredrik. I will be incorporating many of these ideas in version 1.4. For one of them, the minimal boundary, I realized that it wasn't necessary, because it duplicates a zone of control. I came to this conclusion after your wrote your email but before I read

[Tagging] Claiming Entities (was: Feature Proposal - RFC - Mapping disputed boundaries (Version 1.3))

Thanks, Fredrik, for breaking the ice on the List of Claiming Entities and the criteria for the list, which I think is one of the key points of my proposal. The list is logically equivalent to the stated criterion. That is, if you meet the criterion, you are on the list, and if you are on the list

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 04:17, Joseph Eisenberg : > For example, in America we can call a waterway=stream a “brook”, “creek”, > “run” and several other things. These waterways will be tagged > waterway=stream or =river (depending on size) with name=“Bull Run”, > =“Walker Creek”, =“Johnson’s Brook”, e

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

Alsmost any proper name can be used without it's common name depending on the context, e.g. if you are discussing "Atlantic ocean" with your friend you can say just "Atlantic". I don't think this is true in all languages. We never do this e.g. for the North Sea, which is Noordzee in Dutch. We neve

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

вс, 9 дек. 2018 г. в 14:10, Marc Gemis : > We have tags for that (waterway=stream, ditch, ... / amenity=school, > college, university, kindergarten), I don't understand why we should > change the usage of name for that. How would you map American "streamlet", "brook", "creek" and "river" to the t

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Railway tracks on highway

Dear all! Please find a new feature proposal for tagging embedded railways on highways at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Railway_tracks_on_highway which is an emended proposal from the earlier rejected Tramtrack on highway proposal. Please keep the comments on improving t

[Tagging] emergency=control_centre

Hello, I would like to propose a tag for emergency control centers (the place you reach when you call 112 in Europe). My suggestion would be "emergency=control_centre". Cheers, dktue ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 3:06 PM dktue wrote: > > I would like to propose a tag for emergency control centers (the place > you reach when you call 112 in Europe). > Why? As far as I know, these are places one contacts via telephone. They may be located far from the locality they serve, even thou

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

> On Dec 9, 2018, at 7:11 AM, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 3:06 PM dktue > wrote: > > I would like to propose a tag for emergency control centers (the place > you reach when you call 112 in Europe). > > Why? > > As far as I know, these are places o

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

office=public-safety_answering_point would probably fit better than emergency=*. (In an emergency it might not help much to know where the public-safety answering point is located.) Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

You're right, indeed. Office would definitely suit better. But why are we using emergency=ambulance_station and not building=ambulance_station? If we're doing so to make a grouping about emergency-related facilities, then we should go with an emergency-tag. Am 09.12.2018 um 16:50 schrieb Ma

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

Maybe because not all (/probably few.../) ambulance stations occupy an entire building? On 2018-12-09 16:58, dktue wrote: > But why are we using emergency=ambulance_station and not > building=ambulance_station? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature _

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

You're right! But amenity=ambulance_station could be used. The point I tried to make was: Why are we using the emergency-key in that case at all. Am 09.12.2018 um 17:01 schrieb Sergio Manzi: Maybe because not all (/probably few.../) ambulance stations occupy an entire building? On 2018-12-0

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

Knowing where to find an ambulance (/the nearest one.../) is, I think, of more general interest than knowing where emergency calls are handled. About "/amenity/"... please don't get me started on that: I have a profound hate for the term and in the particular case when you need an ambulance, I

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 3:59 PM dktue wrote: > You're right, indeed. Office would definitely suit better. > > But why are we using emergency=ambulance_station and not > building=ambulance_station? > In my experience, people don't come roaring out of houses at 70MPH with sirens blaring and lights

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

You're definitely right. Good point! I've been convinced that the office-key is a suitable place to put the tag. Am 09.12.2018 um 17:15 schrieb Paul Allen: On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 3:59 PM dktue > wrote: You're right, indeed. Office would definitely suit better.

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 17:22, dktue wrote: > > I've been convinced that the office-key is a suitable place to put the tag. On the other hand, i also understand your logic to put everything emergency-related under the emergency=* key. ;-) ___ Tagging mai

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

Me too!  :-) But, as others have already pointed out, I'm really unsure if this kind of information is relevant/appropriate here... On 2018-12-09 17:29, Markus wrote: > On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 17:22, dktue wrote: >> I've been convinced that the office-key is a suitable place to put the tag. > On

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Railway tracks on highway

Hi! I'm still wondering if there is a technical difference between embedded tram, train and now metro rails (except for a third rail, which usually can't be embedded in a street). If the only difference are the vehicles that run on them, then it doesn't seem to be important to distinguish between

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 8:16 AM Paul Allen wrote: > Ambulance stations > (like fire stations) are places where people should be aware that high > speed emergency > vehicles may suddenly appear from. > This is a factor but not the main one for using emergency=fire_station or ambulance. These ameni

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

By the way: We're currently using amenity=fire_station und emergency=ambulance_station -- which is confusing in my opinion. Am 09.12.2018 um 18:12 schrieb Stefano Maffulli: On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 8:16 AM Paul Allen > wrote: Ambulance stations (like fire stati

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

W dniu 09.12.2018 o 19:54, dktue pisze: > By the way: We're currently using amenity=fire_station und > emergency=ambulance_station -- which is confusing in my opinion. Maybe it would be good to use emergency=police_station scheme (and maybe something else for other police-related objects, like hea

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Railway tracks on highway

In Kraków, Poland trams and train use the same gauge and in theory it is  possible to build vehicle that would travel both on tram tracks and railway tracks. But railway tracks are build to withstand significantly heavier vehicles and with massive differences in curve radius: railway curve with

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

Because building=ambulance_station is for building build as an ambulance station, no matter what is there now. Dec 9, 2018, 4:58 PM by em...@daniel-korn.de: > But why are we using emergency=ambulance_station and not > building=ambulance_station? > > ___

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

Is there some reason to not use office=* like for other offices? Dec 9, 2018, 4:04 PM by em...@daniel-korn.de: > Hello, > > I would like to propose a tag for emergency control centers (the place you > reach when you call 112 in Europe). > > My suggestion would be "emergency=control_centre". > >

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

You're definitely right,     office=control_centre seems to be better suited. Am 09.12.2018 um 20:52 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: Is there some reason to not use office=* like for other offices? Dec 9, 2018, 4:04 PM by em...@daniel-korn.de: Hello, I would like to propose a tag for em

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

W dniu 09.12.2018 o 12:34, Eugene Podshivalov pisze: > How would you map American "streamlet", "brook", "creek" and "river" > to the two generic "stream" and "river" in OSM? > Currently they are just putting in the name field, so the only ways to > fide all "brooks" is by searching the name fields

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Railway tracks on highway

On 9 December 2018 17:37:21 CET, Markus wrote: >Hi! > >I'm still wondering if there is a technical difference between >embedded tram, train and now metro rails (except for a third rail, >which usually can't be embedded in a street). It can and is popular in France.. Check out APS (alimentation

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

I answer inline to Paul and Markus El dom., 9 dic. 2018 a las 15:12, Paul Allen () escribió: > On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 3:06 PM dktue wrote: > >> >> I would like to propose a tag for emergency control centers (the place >> you reach when you call 112 in Europe). >> > > Why? > > As far as I know, t

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

On 10/12/18 07:12, Daniel Koć wrote: W dniu 09.12.2018 o 12:34, Eugene Podshivalov pisze: How would you map American "streamlet", "brook", "creek" and "river" to the two generic "stream" and "river" in OSM? Currently they are just putting in the name field, so the only ways to fide all "brooks"

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

* Eugene Podshivalov [181209 12:34]: > вс, 9 дек. 2018 г. в 14:10, Marc Gemis : >> We have tags for that (waterway=stream, ditch, ... / amenity=school, >> college, university, kindergarten), I don't understand why we should >> change the usage of name for that. > How would you map American "stre

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 19:56, dktue wrote: > > By the way: We're currently using amenity=fire_station und > emergency=ambulance_station -- which is confusing in my opinion. That's probably because the tag amenity=fire_station is older than emergency=ambulance_station. (You could double-tag fire

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

On 10/12/18 07:46, Javier Sánchez Portero wrote: I answer inline to Paul and Markus El dom., 9 dic. 2018 a las 15:12, Paul Allen (>) escribió: On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 3:06 PM dktue mailto:em...@daniel-korn.de>> wrote: I would like to propose a tag for em

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Railway tracks on highway

Thank you, Mateusz and Colin, i haven't thought of curve radii and signalling. By the way, i deliberately didn't mention the Bordeaux system because it's uncommon and not a metro (but some kind of tram). Regards Markus On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 20:46, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > In Kraków, Poland

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

Sorry, but I don't think so: office=control_centre could be the control center for whatever infrastructure (/unless some more specific tag exists in some specific namespace/). *If* (/and it is a big if of which I'd like to say something later/) we want to tag the places where emergency phone ca

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospatial database?

Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2018 21:57:14 +0100 From: Wolfgang Zenker To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" Subject: Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database? * Eugene Podshivalov [181209 12:34]: вс, 9 дек. 2018 г. в 14:10, Marc Gemis : We have tags for that (waterway=str

[Tagging] leisure=hammock_hook

Hi, I've found a playground equipment that is made to hang hammocks. It's a kind of industrialized urban furniture specially made for it. This one consists of a central fixed pole and hook that can hang a limited number of hammocks in a radial disposition, each one with its other pole and hook (bu

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

On 10/12/18 10:17, Sergio Manzi wrote: I know that there are ones who think that every little detail of the world should be tagged, but I'm not of that party, and I think that I have the same right to express my opinion as they do, and no offense should be taken by neither of the two parties.

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

I totally agree on that and, with my limits, I too try doing the same... Cheers! Sergio On 2018-12-10 00:32, Warin wrote: > On 10/12/18 10:17, Sergio Manzi wrote: >> >> I know that there are ones who think that every little detail of the world >> should be tagged, but I'm not of that party, an

[Tagging] intermittent on wetland

Hi, The key intermittent is for water related things .. not just waterways but also wetlands. Just mapping Relation: Goyder's Lagoon (9092118) ... See wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goyder_Lagoon The Diamantiana Rv flows into it .. intermittently and then the Warburton Rv flows out

Re: [Tagging] leisure=hammock_hook

... beside, are you sure those hooks are for hammocks? How can you hang 3 hammocks radially from the center point? There doesn't seems to be enough "angle" between them... Have you ever seen an actual hammock hanging from there? Presence of the ropes makes me think they are thought for something

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2018 20:46:48 + From: Javier Sánchez Portero To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" Subject: Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre I answer inline to Paul and Markus El dom., 9 dic. 2018 a las 15:12, Paul Allen () escribió: On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 3:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Railway tracks on highway

Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2018 22:30:26 +0100 From: Markus To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Railway tracks on highway Markus' original point is well taken.  Some mappers may not know or care which type of vehicle runs o

Re: [Tagging] leisure=hammock_hook

On 10/12/18 10:47, Sergio Manzi wrote: ... beside, are you sure those hooks are for hammocks? How can you hang 3 hammocks radially from the center point? There doesn't seems to be enough "angle" between them... Have you ever seen an actual hammock hanging from there? Presence of the ropes mak

Re: [Tagging] leisure=hammock_hook

Wow! Either those things are high enough that a would be suicide could make good use of them, or sooner or later a kid will loose an eye on one of those hooks...  :-/ My advice? Don't map those: you could be held liable... On 2018-12-10 00:29, Sérgio V. wrote: > Hi, I've found a playground e

Re: [Tagging] intermittent on wetland

Yep intermittent wetland / swamp would seem the best option Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

> Can OSM become a geospatial database? > > It currently fits almost any definition of 'GeoSpatial' database. Even if you ignore any intrinsic properties you might select to define 'GeoSpatial' database, extrinsic properties would define it as such, for example the UN-HCR, the U.S. National Geospa

[Tagging] iD news - 2.12.0 released 🎉

Last week, after several months of work, we released iD v2.12.0 for editing OpenStreetMap. I hope you like it! Here are some of the highlights from the release: ✌️ 2-finger pan and zoom gestures Mac users can now use 2 finger trackpad gestures to pan and zoom the map. Try swiping with 2 fingers

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospatial database?

On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 6:19 PM EthnicFood IsGreat wrote: > > Most probably you would not want to look for all "brooks", because > > "brook" is just one of multiple words that mean the same thing. There is > > no semantic difference between a "brook" and a "stream" in general > > nowadays. Its just

Re: [Tagging] leisure=hammock_hook (Sérgio V.)

> > Hi, I've found a playground equipment that is made to hang hammocks. > It's a kind of industrialized urban furniture specially made for it. > This one consists of a central fixed pole and hook that can hang a limited > number of hammocks in a radial disposition, each one with its other pole > a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 111, Issue 60

> ... beside, are you sure those hooks are for hammocks? How can you hang 3 > hammocks radially from the center point? There doesn't seems to be enough > "angle" between them... Have you ever seen an actual hammock hanging from > there? Presence of the ropes makes me think they are thought for some

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

W dniu 10.12.2018 o 00:33, EthnicFood IsGreat pisze: > That is an unrealistic, pie-in-the-sky goal.  As long as mappers are > free to use any tag they like, and OSM is a mishmash of tags, how > could anyone rely on it for anything very important? Good question. And the answer is - don't underesti

Re: [Tagging] leisure=hammock_hook

Got it, thanks! Those ropes did look strange, didn't they? :-) Sergio On 2018-12-10 04:25, Michael Patrick wrote: > > ... beside, are you sure those hooks are for hammocks? How can you hang 3 > hammocks radially from the center point? There doesn't seems to be enough > "angle" between them

Re: [Tagging] leisure=hammock_hook

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 2:44 AM Sergio Manzi wrote: > > Wow! Either those things are high enough that a would be suicide could make > good use of them, or sooner or later a kid will loose an eye on one of those > hooks... :-/ > So we should stop mapping railways because people commit suicide b

Re: [Tagging] leisure=hammock_hook (Sérgio V.)

sent from a phone > On 10. Dec 2018, at 04:06, Michael Patrick wrote: > > My preference would be the hammock_hangout +1, definitely the most intriguing of the mentioned terms. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org ht