Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 23:17, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Moot point, sidewalks should be mapped as separate ways for the same reason. I don't want to start another sidewalk discussion, but please note that sidewalks as separate ways don't solve all problems. Especially in residential areas without ma

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

On 08/11/2018 01:59, Dave Swarthout wrote: To my way of thinking, a tag in the relation implicitly applies to every member of the relation. No.  Think of a long-distance footpath - that may have an operator, or it may have tags that apply specifically to the footpath route. It may also run al

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

And route=foot does not mean al the components are footpaths. Op do 8 nov. 2018 om 11:05 schreef Andy Townsend : > On 08/11/2018 01:59, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > To my way of thinking, a tag in the relation implicitly applies to > > every member of the relation. > > No. Think of a long-distance

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

I totally agree, Andy. So yes, if someone has tagged the relation with an operator and in reality, there are different operators (or none) for some parts of the route, those parts should have tags to indicate the change. My illustrative case involves a pipeline that (AFAIK) has only one operator (

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

Also agreed. I'm not saying anything about the route tag. We're talking about tags other than route or type, which actually set up the relation. The additional tags that describe the route or multipolygon either go on the relation or the ways depending on their scope, but not both. On Thu, Nov 8,

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 1:01 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Which page would we prefer - the current departures or the full day? > All of them. :) Seriously, which one I'd want would depend upon circumstances. For planning a journey at some as-yet-undecided point in the future I'd want to see

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

sent from a phone > On 8. Nov 2018, at 02:59, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > To my way of thinking, a tag in the relation implicitly applies to every > member of the relation. It's not "visible" to us mappers but it's there > nonetheless tags on the way apply to the way, those on the relation t

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

Integrating GTFS seems like a much better idea than adding actual schedules to OpenStreetMap. I had not considered this previously because I did not understand how GTFS is used worldwide. Perhaps it would be possible to start something like a new gtfs.openstreetmap.org (which would be similar to

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 5:07 PM Leif Rasmussen <354...@gmail.com> wrote: > Integrating GTFS seems like a much better idea than adding actual > schedules to OpenStreetMap. I had not considered this previously because I > did not understand how GTFS is used worldwide. Perhaps it would be > possible

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 5:38 AM Dave Swarthout wrote: > Also agreed. > I'm not saying anything about the route tag. We're talking about tags > other than route or type, which actually set up the relation. The > additional tags that describe the route or multipolygon either go on the > relation or

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

In the UK traveline already provide this service and use OSM. In fact they are part of the OSM community and update the map. See http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/XSLT_TRIP_REQUEST2?language=en&timeOffset=15 Phil (trigpoint) ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 7:44 PM Philip Barnes wrote: > In the UK traveline already provide this service and use OSM. In fact they > are part of the OSM community and update the map. > See > http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/XSLT_TRIP_REQUEST2?language=en&timeOffset=15 > Erm, nope. See htt

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

On Thu, 2018-11-08 at 20:24 +, Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 7:44 PM Philip Barnes > wrote: > > In the UK traveline already provide this service and use OSM. In > > fact they are part of the OSM community and update the map. > > See > > http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/XS

[Tagging] Reversible Road tagging

With the advent of new reversible freeways north and south of Atlanta, I think it's time we try to come up with a way to model the reversal schedule so that routers can begin to utilize them properly. Note that I am referring to roads where the entire roadway reverses, not a reversible *lane* scen

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

On 08/11/2018 20:24, Paul Allen wrote: On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 7:44 PM Philip Barnes > wrote: In the UK traveline already provide this service and use OSM. In fact they are part of the OSM community and update the map. See http://www.travelinemidlands

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 at 22:28, Paul Allen wrote: > > All of them. :) > > Seriously, which one I'd want would depend upon circumstances. > Agree with you, but I don't think we need to provide all those options, just get the viewer to the right website, because once they're there, there are links pr

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 9:27 PM Andy Townsend wrote: > > FWIW I've just used https://www.traveline.info/ to find journey between > Porthmadog and Criccieth and Bearsden and Milton of Campsie (yes! There > are ones at this time of night!) so the main site does indeed work in > Wales and Scotland.

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 at 07:53, Paul Allen wrote: > > Kinda reminds me of a Google bus route I looked at several years ago which > apparently drew straight > lines (through houses and across fields) between timetabled stops rather > than following a road between > them. > I was wondering whether yo

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 9:43 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 at 22:28, Paul Allen wrote: > >> >> All of them. :) >> >> Seriously, which one I'd want would depend upon circumstances. >> > > Agree with you, but I don't think we need to provide all those options, > just get the v

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

One thing that I found while trying this 'little' exercise is that it would be good to have an object that 'represents' an operator or a network. I was using this to keep track of holidays with Sunday schedule and when school vacations are, because that influences the timetables, but it could defi

Re: [Tagging] Reversible Road tagging

On Thu, Nov 08, 2018 at 04:05:49PM -0500, Jack Burke wrote: > Following the KISS principle, barrier node tagging might be the way to go, > at least initially. > > Barrier tagging Pros: > * Easy to implement in routing (e.g., OsmAnd's routing.xml can process a > node as barrier=1 or barrier=-1 bas

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 11:26:49PM -0600, Gerd Petermann wrote: > Hi all, > > after reading the last comments in this thread I tried again to convince > Dave that the rather special rules for multipolygon relations cannot be used > for all types of relations, esp. not those with route=pipeline and

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 10:00 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 at 07:53, Paul Allen wrote: > >> >> Kinda reminds me of a Google bus route I looked at several years ago >> which apparently drew straight >> lines (through houses and across fields) between timetabled stops rather

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 at 08:02, Paul Allen wrote: > If I understand it correctly (quite possibly not) your examples are not > GTFS feeds but timetables > derived from them. > Ugh, now you're asking questions that are way, way beyond me! Any thoughts, anyone (& does it make any difference?) Simple

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

Le 08. 11. 18 à 23:03, Jo a écrit : > an object that 'represents' an operator the operator's headquarters seems appropriate. but the question remains open for networks. that being said, I have the impression that we could start already with what doesn't need it (the interval proposal, add the GT