On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 9:27 PM Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > FWIW I've just used https://www.traveline.info/ to find journey between > Porthmadog and Criccieth and Bearsden and Milton of Campsie (yes! There > are ones at this time of night!) so the main site does indeed work in > Wales and Scotland. > Yes, it works. But it doesn't have an option to use Cymraeg. Which would be a show-stopper for some people in Wales, who would rather use a site that is completely broken if it is in Welsh rather than a site that works but is only available in English. Also, the .cymru site has something the .info site does not, route maps. I just pulled up a local route and looked at its map. Admittedly it is a very weird and complicated route (reminiscent of a spider web on drugs), but this route map gets it wrong in many, many ways: https://www.traveline.cymru/timetables/?routeNum=408&direction_id=0&timetable_key=408MFRBA1 Kinda reminds me of a Google bus route I looked at several years ago which apparently drew straight lines (through houses and across fields) between timetabled stops rather than following a road between them. Told me to get to a location on the actual bus route by getting off a mile beyond and walking back because it had joined the stops with straight lines through fields. It was only by playing around that I got it to show the route it was using, which at one point ploughed through the middle of a small housing estate and took a straight line across farmland to the next timetabled stop. > Other than Traveline, plenty of other OSMers* have worked in the transport > / route planning area - both "startups" and more traditional transport > authorities. I know of others have looked at consuming GTFS for bus routes > in England, and found that it can be a bit complicated as the same numbered > route can exist multiple times in the GTFS feed with only minor differences > for the variations - it's not just a simple case of "grab all that data > from there and use it" unless you're prepared to do quite a bit of > processing. You really need to be an app to do anything useful with the > data (such as https://oeffi.schildbach.de/index.html - which works > everywhere in GB that I've tried it and presumably uses Traveline's feeds, > or something similar) - anything else would just be "reinventing GTFS". > So what's the copyright situation with Traveline's GTFS feeds? Are we free to use any of them to add routes to OSM? Obviously, they'd have to be sanity-checked... -- Paul
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