Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

Javbw > On Sep 27, 2018, at 2:17 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > How do you determine the height of the saddle / peak? There is a lot of GIS data available for named points. Also, there is a lot of topography available as well, so someone manually mapping certian areas could create a pre

Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

On 2018-09-27 07:17, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > & when you say survey with GPS, is that accurate enough for an altitude > reading? With my Garmin GPS (which admittedly is 10 - 15 years old, but > _wasn't_ a cheap one!), I can calibrate it in the back yard at 6m ASL, go for > a day trip & when

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

On 27/09/18 00:48, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: building tag is supposed to contain how building is constructed. For example hotel in a church is building=church (with hotel tagged as usual). Former hotel building used as a warehouse is building=hotel. That was the intention. But many mappers a

[Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

I'm working on adding islands and other features in the Tanana River in Alaska. There are many named sloughs (side channels), islands and in some areas curves or bends that have a name. In my example there is a large bend in the river that has its own name, Harper Bend. I'm looking for a way to tag

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

I'd use place=locality name=* Fits, renders and searchable. Put it on a node. On 27/09/18 19:58, Dave Swarthout wrote: I'm working on adding islands and other features in the Tanana River in Alaska. There are many named sloughs (side channels), islands and in some areas curves or bends that

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

I agree that a node is best, because it is debatable where a river bend starts and ends, but it is easy to put a node at the center. To confirm, this name is for the section of river, not for the semi-circle of land inside of the bend? I agree that a separate tag is needed, as you said, because

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

+1 If it's a well defined area, I would tag an area tagged place=* , name=* If it's an island, I would tag place=island. If no regular place-value fits, then place=locality. If it's a normal thing, like when all bends in the river have a name, then I would probably enter a new place-value, e.g. riv

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

Some practical information from Belgium: We have three official languages nl,fr,de Flanders is nl (*) Brussels is nl;fr Wallonia is Fr (*) Eupen-Malmedy is de This means that town names, street names and bus stops can be expected in the above mentioned languages. Same goes for government building

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

Place=locality makes sense, I guess the name is also used for the area close to the bend by extension. Locality on a node is always troublesome, and I wonder if anybody uses description=* to describe further the place, here this would be something like description=river bend. Le 27 septembre 2

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:21 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 27/09/18 00:48, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > building tag is supposed to contain how building is constructed. For example > hotel in > a church is building=church (with hotel tagged as usual). > > Former hotel building u

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

Re: do “the current proposals would mean that any POI (not referring to a government building) in Brussels needs to be retagged to name:XX or add default:language:XX (?) There are no mandatory tags in OSM, nothing needs to be retagged. But there would be the option to add default:language=fr to a

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

I've thought some more about this. And reflected upon some comments from a previous discussion (this topic is one of the list's perennials) a few months ago that, back then, I couldn't see the reasoning. And yes, I realize the proposal is about what gets stored in the db, not what gets rendered,

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > So if we have to take the inside (or whole structure) into account, > what is the building type when the outside and the inside tell > something different ? Apartments in a church, a fast-food restaurant > behind the facade of a rich merchan

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

We already have a map in of Belgium based on OSM without any additional tag. A typical Flemish map does not show French names high-level. So it it uses name:nl, if that's not there name. Since all bi-langual object will be mapped with name, name:nl and name:fr, there is no reason to use "name" if "

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

I guess this can also apply to named straight bits as well? http://onthethames.net/reaches-river-thames/ On 2018-09-27 11:58, Dave Swarthout wrote: > I'm working on adding islands and other features in the Tanana River in > Alaska. There are many named sloughs (side channels), islands and in s

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 1:21 PM Paul Allen wrote: > 3) If I'm travelling across Europe by car, and am currently in France and > want to get to Munich, at the French side of > the border I want to know to look for Allemande, not Germany or Deutschland > on the signage. > I typically rely on the

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > > 5) All of the above have additional complications when dealing with > multi-lingual communities. > > As a Flemish person, I rather have the name of the street pronounced > in Dutch in Brussels than in the 2 languages as is now the case. Th

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 1:31 PM Paul Allen wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: >> >> >> So if we have to take the inside (or whole structure) into account, >> what is the building type when the outside and the inside tell >> something different ? Apartments in a church,

[Tagging] How to tag prefab / movable buildings

Hi all, I'm currently looking to know what would be the best way to tag prefab or movable buildings. Such buildings are used to host utilities or service equipments and building=service is used. This is a prefab building : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/3/38/20140501_165031.jpg This is n

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 1:11 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 1:31 PM Paul Allen wrote: > > I cannot bring to mind a typical restaurant architecture. > > if you have to take the interior into account it can be done sometimes: > - large seating area (even noticable when empty) > -

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

> > As a Flemish person, I rather have the name of the street pronounced > in Dutch in Brussels than in the 2 languages as is now the case. This > is probably one of the complications > This is especially true because the pronunciation rules for

Re: [Tagging] How to tag prefab / movable buildings

sent from a phone > On 27. Sep 2018, at 14:10, François Lacombe wrote: > > Is there an established tag for that? I am not aware of established tagging, but would like to add that there are all kind of buildings that can be prefabricated, e.g. „famous“ German example: https://upload.wikimed

Re: [Tagging] How to tag prefab / movable buildings

Agreed there are several levels of prefabrication. Material is completely solved with material=* and no need to specialize it to prefabrication (concrete can be used on both prefabricated and not buildings) kind of prefabricated=yes would stand for complete prefabricated buildings and other values

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

Re: destination signs for routing. Paul brought up some good examples about routing and traveling. I believe destination signs are already stored in OSM with the tag “destination=xxx”, where “xxx” is whatever is actually written on the sign. Certainly this should be used by routing services and a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

sent from a phone > On 27. Sep 2018, at 12:10, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'd use > place=locality > name=* I don’t oppose this, but I feel it would be time to introduce an additional tag for localities that states which kind of toponym it is (where it comes from or what is r

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

I’m sorry I misunderstood your point about POIs (eg shops, amenities) in Brussels, which as you say often have a name in only one language. On this case, a map renderer or routing service that has adopted this new tag should look first for name:nl=* and name:fr=*, and show whichever one is found.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

sent from a phone > On 27. Sep 2018, at 12:21, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > To confirm, this name is for the section of river, not for the semi-circle of > land inside of the bend? practically I would expect the name to extend to this piece of land as well (often). cheers, Martin _

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

27. Sep 2018 14:21 by pla16...@gmail.com : > Which, if you were describing it as a waypoint in a route to somebody, would > be "a church converted to a restaurant" or> "a restaurant in an old church."  > What a shame we have no way of tagging that, there is no mech

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

> On Sep 27, 2018, at 4:20 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > That was the intention. But many mappers are mapping the function of the > building, not the appearance/architecture. TLDR: it's difficult to understand the spirit of building=* as "constructed type" when almost all build

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

26. Sep 2018 21:27 by p...@trigpoint.me.uk : > On Wed, 2018-09-26 at 19:54 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On 09/26/2018 05:53 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote: >> > Names in a non-discernible language have so far not been >> > discussed.  I  >> > would need to se

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

I would resist the use of the locality tag (also the other pro-node arguments) even though it's an easy answer to my problem. It does not communicate the quality of "riverness" at all. This bend may or may not lend its name to a locality but it is primarily a feature of the river, not the name of a

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

sent from a phone > On 27. Sep 2018, at 15:42, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Maybe etymology of this word is based on an acronym, but nowadays > > it is used as a word. > As Christoph said in his first reply, these are brands, where it is typical to have abbreviations, acronyms or artific

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

sent from a phone > On 27. Sep 2018, at 15:57, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > This bend may or may not lend its name to a locality but it is primarily a > feature of the river, not the name of a settled place. locality is explicitly for toponyms that don’t refer to settlements or their parts. I

[Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

> It does not communicate the quality of "riverness" at all. This bend may or may not lend its name to a locality but it is primarily a feature of the river, not the name of a settled place. Generally, the term 'Reach' is most appropriate for subsections of flowing water: (From https://www.usgs.go

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

sent from a phone > On 27. Sep 2018, at 09:20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > e.g. building=parking, office, commercial, apartments, ... all functional > rather than architecture. these are all building types. Buildings can be (and are) classified according to lots different crite

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

sent from a phone > On 27. Sep 2018, at 13:30, Paul Allen wrote: > > Would it be more useful to tag it as building=church or building=house? > > Similarly, ask a child to draw a church. Or a house. Or even a supermarket. > > That's why I have strong doubts about building=gastronomic (or wh

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

On 27/09/2018 15:17, Michael Patrick wrote: */a reach is just any length of a stream or river/* * * It would seem odd to tag a bend as a reach, as the classic definition of a reach is 'A portion of a river, channel, or lake which lies between two bends or which can be seen in one view'. -

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

Section_name, is there not something like this in the whitewater tagging scheme? Yep: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:whitewater:section_name&action=edit&redlink=1 And yes, this tagging scheme extend to brown/blue/green river sections. Yves Le 27 septembre 2018 16:14:47 GMT

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

Hi, * Joseph Eisenberg [180927 13:10]: > Re: do “the current > proposals would mean that any POI (not referring to a government > building) in Brussels needs to be retagged to name:XX or add > default:language:XX (?) > There are no mandatory tags in OSM, nothing needs to be retagged. But there >

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

> 27 sep. 2018 kl. 13:03 skrev Yves : > > Place=locality makes sense, I guess the name is also used for the area close > to the bend by extension. > Locality on a node is always troublesome, and I wonder if anybody uses > description=* to describe further the place, here this would be something

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

And again, with a link, this time! =) https://kso.etjanster.lantmateriet.se/?e=749899&n=7312843&z=9&profile=default_background_noauth > 27 sep. 2018 kl. 18:36 skrev Ture Pålsson : > > >> 27 sep.

[Tagging] GPS Altitude Re: Topographic Prominence for Peaks

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 3:20 AM Colin Smale wrote: > On 2018-09-27 07:17, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > & when you say survey with GPS, is that accurate enough for an altitude > reading? With my Garmin GPS (which admittedly is 10 - 15 years old, but > *wasn't* a cheap one!), I can calibrate it in

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

You are absolutely correct that “language=xx” would be the simplest tag. And it was proposed back in 2009 (though never progressed to a vote): https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Language_of_this_element But “language=*” is now being used for the language spoken or taught at a s

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

At first, the use of "section" seemed useful to consider. The tag "whitewater:section_name" has not been defined in the Wiki but might be adapted to this issue. However, the word "whitewater" would be misleading IMO because this is a flat river that whitewater enthusiasts would not seek out. Also,

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

"waterway=" is usually used for features that have to do with linear water features; values include dam, weir, lock, etc. Since the name of a bend would be most useful for boaters and kayakers who are using a river as a waterway, I would recommend using "waterway=bend". This could then also be us

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

@Joseph - I wanted to avoid using that particular top-level tag, waterway, because there would be no simple way to add a name different from that of the waterway=river itself. Unless we invent a new tag something like name:bend=Harper Bend. The key "natural" is so weighted with controversy already

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

Oh, I see. I was thinking about use on a node only, where this would not be a problem. Place=* tags are usually used on nodes, perhaps on areas (controverially) but not on ways. This reminds me of the problem with naming mountain ranges and ridges. Right now we can name part of an individual ridge

[Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

Hey Tagging List! While reviewing a pull request to add Traffic Sign presets to iD, I came across a tagging issue with how traffic sign directions are tagged. The details are here https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/pull/5333 and relevant guidance

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

I think it would be hard to restrict natural=* to a node, but then, which way? Not a good idea IMHO. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

Fortunately, when you are finding the prominence of a peak, it matters that the peak and saddle elevations are measured from the same baseline. But thanks for the reminder abou the EGN96 standard. I believe this is also what is used on USGS Topo maps and Opentopomap, which are the sources I usually

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

> It would seem odd to tag a bend as a reach, as the classic definition of a reach is 'A portion of a river, channel, or lake which lies between two bends or which can be seen in one view'. Which is why the first sentence the USGS definition is: “Reach” can have *slightly different meanings*, depe

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

The discussion about the definition of "reach" is interesting but IMO it's slightly off topic. Perhaps, because of those differences in its interpretation, we would be best served by not using the term at all. On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 12:06 PM Michael Patrick wrote: > > > It would seem odd to ta

Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 at 15:02, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > and added a description of how the key saddle of a peak can be found by > looking at a topo map > with contours. > > I also added additional warnings against copying this data from > wikipedia and other sources which are incompatible with th

Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

You can’t use those Australian maps for Openstreetmap, unless the government has subsequently released them as public domain. But In the USA and Canada all official topo maps are public domain (I linked the licenses from the proposal page). USGS also has maps of the Arctic and Antarctic. In Indon