[Tagging] Route members: ordered or not

Hello, there. I recently worked a bit on hiking routes, and noticed that some routes have unordered members. That's particularly noticeable on waymarkedtrails.org, as it makes the elevation graph rubbish and useless. I read the relation:route wiki page, but there is only advice regarding stops

Re: [Tagging] Route members: ordered or not

While I’ve mapped a number of trails most of them are not part of a designated larger route so I am not 100% sure, but I think hiking routes are much like highway routes: The ways in the relation should be ordered. Not sure why you’d need a node in there, especially without an explicit role. If

Re: [Tagging] Route members: ordered or not

On 03/05/2018 13:06, David Marchal wrote: I recently worked a bit on hiking routes, and noticed that some routes have unordered members. I wouldn't expect them to be ordered, to be honest - it'd be dependent on every OSM editor ordering the members (in some way) on save. It's also tricky

Re: [Tagging] Route members: ordered or not

I regularly edit a number of cycle routes (primarily the danish national cycleroutes) and do my best to sort/order the members (it's helpfull when looking for gaps and other peculiarities in JOSM), but have found that it's often near impossible to make them perfectly sorted. Consider for exampl

Re: [Tagging] Route members: ordered or not

Un-ordered route members make it very hard to detect a broken route. Best practice : 1. If you edit a route, order it at best and check if you haven't broken it. 2. If you find an unordered route, order it, check if broken and try to repair it. Use for instance http://ra.osmsurround.org/. Yves

[Tagging] Slipway vs boat ramp

The user Tex Shotcaller made me realize that there are two different kinds of slipway. There is the traditional slipway where you have a track to slide the boat down, and then there are boat ramps where you drive a trailer into the water and float the boat off the trailer. Both of these are very di

Re: [Tagging] Slipway vs boat ramp

Oops, I forgot to include the changeset discussion. Here it is, https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/58388640#map=17/31.39739/-94.52454 On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:16 PM Mike H <1jg...@gmail.com> wrote: > The user Tex Shotcaller made me realize that there are two different kinds > of slipway. T

Re: [Tagging] Route members: ordered or not

Good idea to re-order the ways within a route relation, but please, don't reverse the ways to make them join up nicely head-to-tail! The direction of ways is used for so many things that this could cause untold collateral damage. This might be obvious to many mappers, but it is definitely somethin

[Tagging] Unifying large multi-location store chains

Hello, I thought about unifying large store/restaurant chains with several locations for many times now. There are some tags that are applicable to all locations of a specific brand like brand=*, amenity=*/shop=*, cuisine=* for restaurants and for some also name=*. Espacially name=* and brand=* ar

Re: [Tagging] Route members: ordered or not

I will try to explain this in a more systematic way: Routes belong to either of two categories: (A) Those whose members can be sorted into a single ordered sequence (B) Those that cannot be sorted into a single ordered sequence of members Sorting makes only sense for category (A) Routes of type (B

Re: [Tagging] Route members: ordered or not

Why does a loop make it impossible to sort the ways? It implies that a section of the route is present twice in the relation, but there is surely no distinction between the first traversal of a way and the second traversal? On 2018-05-03 18:42, Volker Schmidt wrote: > I will try to explain this i

Re: [Tagging] Unifying large multi-location store chains

There was an action a couple of years ago in the Netherlands to unify the orthography of shop names. It was very successful, after a consultation. Here's the link to the discussion on the forum - unfortunately it's all in Dutch... https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=33909 The or

Re: [Tagging] Unifying large multi-location store chains

Hello, Le 03. 05. 18 à 18:34, Leon Karcher a écrit : > I thought about unifying large store/restaurant chains if X is a brand, it's not a name for every poi of this brand. for exemple if several poi have name=Applebees, then Applebees is maybe an brand or an operator but it is no more the name of

Re: [Tagging] Route members: ordered or not

@Colin: You got me there: I implicitly excluded the possibility that a way may be part of the route more than once. I assumed this to be a general rule. If you do not exclude it also the more than-than-two-ends exclusion rule falls apart. @Adrian: What does RA do with routes where the same member a

Re: [Tagging] Unifying large multi-location store chains

Hi Marc, Yes, I'm aware of the fact that names may differ for some brands, but espacially American companies use the brand's name for all their locations. That's also a reason why I want to review the changed objects manually, because if the name may differ, like [brand name] [city name], I would

Re: [Tagging] Route members: ordered or not

"impossible" only due to missing tools to be able to do the job and the time it take do it "by hand" try to order this one http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1744381 I spent a little time sorting these members, but it's a waste, it's deteriorating faster than it's getting better. Le 03. 05. 18

Re: [Tagging] Unifying large multi-location store chains

I'd like to point out that I've seen a lot of chains like these tagged with a wikipedia=* tag for the brand, they should use the brand:wikipedia tag instead. This is a big problem for Nominatim right now, as it ranks results based on wiki tags. So if you are going through these it would be a great

Re: [Tagging] Route members: ordered or not

My fault. Loops (in the sense of self-intersections) are not a problem. Drop rule B(2)! What I had in mind was roundabouts. They are not loops. Thy are special cases of the rule B(3) On 3 May 2018 at 19:10, marc marc wrote: > "impossible" only due to missing tools to be able to do the job > and

Re: [Tagging] Route members: ordered or not

@Volker, no need to classify all possibilities, it's certainly endless :-) I wrote 'order at best' cause of course some cases are tricky. That being said, the (few) route relations I take care of I take the time to reorder them before upload, it's easy in JOSM. All have a beginning and a start,

Re: [Tagging] Route members: ordered or not

bus route relations can get very complexe if they are not ordered. I order them to make sure I haven't missed anything On Thu, May 3, 2018, 11:28 AM Yves, wrote: > Un-ordered route members make it very hard to detect a broken route. > Best practice : > 1. If you edit a route, order it at best an

Re: [Tagging] Slipway vs boat ramp

On 03/05/2018 17:14, Mike H wrote: there are two different kinds of slipway Yes, but both are commonly called "slipway". See :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slipway ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/

Re: [Tagging] Unifying large multi-location store chains

On 3 May 2018 at 18:24, Mike H <1jg...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'd like to point out that I've seen a lot of chains like these tagged with > a wikipedia=* tag for the brand, they should use the brand:wikipedia tag > instead. This is a big problem for Nominatim right now, as it ranks results > based on

Re: [Tagging] Unifying large multi-location store chains

> It would, but it would be even better to substitute, or add, > wikidata:brand= at the same time. Yeah, that's also part of my plan. It's already included in my tagging list . 2018-05-03 20:44 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett : > On 3 May 201

Re: [Tagging] Slipway vs boat ramp

Yes. A sub-tag should be used to distinguish. Something like 'rails'? --- I'm more concerned at the lack of water into which a vessel could be launched. Is the reservoir accurate? Does the level fluctuate? DaveF. On 03/05/2018 19:16, Malcolm Herring wrote: On 03/05/2018 17:14, Mike H w

Re: [Tagging] Slipway vs boat ramp

Hi Mike I agree with you that a slipway is not a boat ramp & vice versa, & have wondered the same thing myself when marking them, but don't think there are any alternatives? I guess it's another OSM "one word used worldwide" problem? Thanks Graeme ___

Re: [Tagging] Unifying large multi-location store chains

Hi I think I can see what you're getting at, but, as always, international usage is going to rear it's ugly head! We have Target & K-mart (not Big K-mart) in Australia, but over here Lowe's is a men's wear chain (Lowe's hardware was called Masters, but it crashed) There are also Woolworth's Supe

[Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

Hello everyone, I'm mapping rural areas of Central Asia after an expedition there. I've found a lot of sheds, where many animals coexisted (sheeps, cows, horses...). I'd like to map them but I'm in doubt about the right tag: *building=shed* "refers to a simple, single-storey structure that is used

Re: [Tagging] Route members: ordered or not

I have ordered a few bus, train, cycling and walking routes. In principle: Both bus and train routes need to be ordered in version 2 of public transport (both stop positions and ways need to be ordered from start to finish). Cycling and walking routes should be ordered for correct interpretati

Re: [Tagging] Slipway vs boat ramp

On 04/05/18 07:11, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi Mike I agree with you that a slipway is not a boat ramp & vice versa, & have wondered the same thing myself when marking them, but don't think there are any alternatives? I guess it's another OSM "one word used worldwide" problem? Looks like

Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

On 04/05/18 07:44, Rachele Amerini wrote: Hello everyone, I'm mapping rural areas of Central Asia after an expedition there. I've found a lot of sheds, where many animals coexisted (sheeps, cows, horses...). I'd like to map them but I'm in doubt about the right tag: *building=shed* "refers to a

Re: [Tagging] Route members: ordered or not

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:42 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > I will try to explain this in a more systematic way: > > Routes belong to either of two categories: > (A) Those whose members can be sorted into a single ordered sequence > (B) Those that cannot be sorted into a single ordered sequence of m

Re: [Tagging] Unifying large multi-location store chains

Hello Graeme, Thanks for your feedback. I've never encountered such international differences. The only one that is close is that there are two different supermarket chains called "Netto" here in Germany. But I think that it should be no problem because after a short research on the Internet one c

Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

Hello, Le 04. 05. 18 à 00:06, Warin a écrit : > building=farm_auxiliary > farm_auxiliary:architecture=shed/* this combination makes no sense. building value is about appearance. so if the appearance is a shed, then building=shed > farm_auxiliary:function=sheeps;cows;horses;* or building:usage

Re: [Tagging] Unifying large multi-location store chains

Hello, It's a good deal to fix spelling variant. but why keeping the brand in the key name if it's not a name ? maybe it's only due the fact that some render use the name and doesn't fall back to use the brand is the name is unset. maybe an issue to those render is needed to fix this mistake. Re

Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

How about building=barn? Phil (trigpoint) On 4 May 2018 06:23:13 BST, marc marc wrote: >Hello, > >Le 04. 05. 18 à 00:06, Warin a écrit : >> building=farm_auxiliary >> farm_auxiliary:architecture=shed/* > >this combination makes no sense. >building value is about appearance. >so if the appearanc