Re: [Tagging] Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Erik Johansson wrote: > There are no categorizes in the OSM data, believing that will not be > helpfull to you when you try to use OSM data. The current way of > sometime using the key as an category isn't working that well. Or I > might be wrong I don't write tha

Re: [Tagging] Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging

I also forgot to mention that Mapnik also shows all shops that do not have their own icon with a dot. You cannot do that when you drop the shop-'category' regards m. On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Erik Johansson wrote: > >> There are no

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

johnw wrote: > As far as I can tell, the differences between novices like me and more > power users is a) using JSOM or similar, and b) using relations. that > is an insanely high bar to jump over. I'll let you into another secret. Of the 5% of mappers doing 95% of the work... most are not do

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 19. Mai 2015 03:18:14 MESZ, johnw wrote: > >there’s no preset “I want to add a business” or “I want to add a park” >tutorials that walk through the basics and hold your hand, bring up >options and ask you natural language questions to help

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 We don't have access to non - editing accounts, speculating on the composition of them is just that. We do know that not all of the roughly 1.5 million are spammers, See my two recent diary posts for more, On 19. Mai 2015 04:55:30 MESZ, Bryce Nesb

Re: [Tagging] More flexible categories (was: Re: Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

Thanks for taking the time to elaborate on it. I believe most people don't care about the top-level tags. They just use with iD (or a preset in JOSM for the somewhat more advanced users) give them. Don't find it there ? just put name or do not map it. They don't start to look in the wiki. Forget t

Re: [Tagging] More flexible categories (was: Re: Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

On 19 May 2015 at 10:07, Marc Gemis wrote: > Thanks for taking the time to elaborate on it. > > I believe most people don't care about the top-level tags. They just use > with iD (or a preset in JOSM for the somewhat more advanced users) give > them. Don't find it there ? just put name or do not

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

On 19 May 2015 at 02:18, johnw wrote: > > On May 19, 2015, at 2:24 AM, Clifford Snow > wrote: > > You might ask, so what is keeping people from editing? > > > > We don’t need to speculate. It’s easy to understand what is holding people > back. > > It’s the same thing that hold people back from r

Re: [Tagging] More flexible categories (was: Re: Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

It might be a bridge to far, but for some it might be comforting to add new POIs and update existing ones without being able to break anything. E.g. I think I never touched a cycleway for during my first 2.5 years of mapping (mapping 4 years now). Only then I thought I knew enough about the differ

Re: [Tagging] Sector, section, and cemetery

> Am 19.05.2015 um 00:25 schrieb Kotya Karapetyan : > > 1) people really prefer to use "name" instead of or together with "ref"—and I > can well understand them, since "ref" is not displayed. what is displayed really shouldn't matter how to tag (I know, you know and we all know it). ref co

Re: [Tagging] amenity vs. shop *=ice_cream

Am 19.05.2015 um 02:14 schrieb pmailkeey . : >> typically those would move around, so not mappable and would make a bad >> example picture. > > > > Not all of them do. yes, some are reoccurring at the same spot on a regular basis, I don't oppose mapping these, but I would rather choose

Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

> Am 19.05.2015 um 07:32 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt : > > A dog park is a place to play with a pet, probably off leash. > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Ddog_park > A pet relief area is a toilet. > Different feature. OK, from my ignorant perspective also dog parks seemed like hu

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

On 19/05/2015, Simon Poole wrote: > On 19. Mai 2015 03:18:14 MESZ, johnw wrote: > >> >>there’s no preset “I want to add a business” or “I want to add a park” >>tutorials that walk through the basics and hold your hand, bring up >>options and ask you natural language questions to help you lea

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

> Am 19.05.2015 um 01:47 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt : > > How about if first edits caused some sort of flag that experienced users see, > and can welcome and thank the new user > for registering and contributing. This is possible now, but not really part > of the standard tool set and definitely

Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

On 19/05/2015 8:20 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 19.05.2015 um 07:32 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt >: A dog park is a place to play with a pet, probably off leash. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Ddog_park A pet relief area is a toilet. Different f

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

On 19/05/2015 11:50, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 19.05.2015 um 01:47 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt : How about if first edits caused some sort of flag that experienced users see, and can welcome and thank the new user for registering and contributing. This is possible now, but not really part of th

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail

W dniu 19.05.2015 14:25, SomeoneElse napisał(a): Also, it's worth mentioning that despite people sometimes describing OSM as "unfriendly" the vast majority of changeset discussion comments, especially to new users, are very friendly and "happy to help". That's why I want to have some hard data

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail

If I would get such a survey from any of the tens of webapps for which I created a account that I used once, the answer would be something like "I wanted to know what this service is about, and so I added my house. But this is not something I to do during my spare time for a longer period." I gu

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail

Am 19.05.2015 um 14:40 schrieb Daniel Koć: > W dniu 19.05.2015 14:25, SomeoneElse napisał(a): > >> Also, it's worth mentioning that despite people sometimes describing >> OSM as "unfriendly" the vast majority of changeset discussion >> comments, especially to new users, are very friendly and "ha

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail

W dniu 19.05.2015 16:48, Simon Poole napisał(a): There has been at least one study which gave indications why people stop contributing (main reason given was time). I don't think that we are This is really something we can't improve, sure. =} But even if it was as high as 75% (another wild g

Re: [Tagging] Estate agent

True. Some tailors have pre-made garments, which they alter as needed to fit the customer, in addition to or instead of making garments from scratch. I would describe the facility that includes pre-made garments as shop=tailor, and the facility that makes all garments from raw cloth for each cus

[Tagging] RFC Reception_desk Mk2

Hi, I have left this for a while. But I don't see it going anywhere in terms of the tag=value. The initial proposal started on 6 February 2015, has been voted on and reformatted to address issues raised. Link to the proposal = https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/amenity%3Dre