Re: [Tagging] Roads with motor vehicle access limited to residents of a specific town

On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > "for a trail that anyone can use, but only after buying a permit." > > I would use rather fee=yes and toll=yes rather than introducing yet > another tag value. That would confuse the heck out of me. From that tagging I'd think you're

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

In Australia as well they are advisory so are therefore not speed limits. You can not be fined for exceeding the advisory signs. The speed limit, and therefore maxspeed, is sign posted with a sign like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Australian_60kmh_speed_limit_sign

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Also, it would break all current data consumers. > I think the concern about data consumers in general is far higher on this tagging list, then among actual data consumers. For example: Any decent data consumer needs to process *b

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

On Mon, 11 May 2015 00:27:55 -0700 Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > I think the concern about data consumers in general is far higher on > this tagging list, then among actual data consumers. > > For example: Any decent data consumer needs to process *both*: > > > > *phone=XXX +* > >

Re: [Tagging] HOT: potential Helicopter landings leisure=common

2015-05-11 8:53 GMT+02:00 johnw : > I’m not about to add a aeroway=helipad to the field because it could be > used for emergency evacuations. > In Poland we use emergency=landing_site for this. Check Overpass Turbo rendering of occurrences - they are located mainly on football pitches or similar

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:32 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > For phone data it may be true, but for access tags (note the thread > title) it is certainly not true - it is unlikely that anybody supports > for example access:foot. > I think the point is that transition of tagging practice, even if

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > foot=yes is widely processed as an access tag, for sure. > dog=, stroller= and fishing_boat= however are far less likely to be > recognized as access tags even if used correctly. > If access: started off with the odd cases, it could buil

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - admin_title=*

On Mon, 11 May 2015 08:44:25 +0200 Friedrich Volkmann wrote: > > If a tag > > such as designation=* when applied to administrative entities were > > to be widely and consistently applied, and the documentation on the > > wiki is clear, then developers will find value in supporting such > > tables

Re: [Tagging] HOT: potential Helicopter landings leisure=common

On 05/11/2015 09:42 AM, Paweł Marynowski wrote: 2015-05-11 8:53 GMT+02:00 johnw mailto:jo...@mac.com>>: I’m not about to add a aeroway=helipad to the field because it could be used for emergency evacuations. In Poland we use emergency=landing_site for this. Check Overpass Turbo render

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:52 AM, Marc Gemis wrote > > > That would be confusing IMHO. Either you have to bite the sour apple and > go (at least propose) for a complete move of access tags to their own name > space or just leave everything as it is now. > The transition to a namespace is already

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

2015-05-11 1:41 GMT+02:00 Andrew MacKinnon : > How do you tag speed limits on curves and highway on/off ramps? At > least in Ontario, these speed limits are advisory only and signed with > a yellow sign (and sometimes on curves you will see a curve speed > limit sign and a higher general speed lim

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

On 2015-05-11 09:27, Bryce Nesbitt wrote : On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Also, it would break all current data consumers.

[Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

I believe there is some overlap between the shop values confectionery pastry candy sweets shop=confectionery is used much more often than the other 3 (10K vs. 300 vs. 100 vs. 50) and is likely covering all of these, but is quite generic. For the very reason it can be used for both: pastry (baker'

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:42 AM, André Pirard wrote: > It's really difficult to have it understood that GPS software blindly obeys > rules and that tags must also strictly obey the same rules for the GPSes to > work. The many many routing tags errors are a real PITA. Even wrong > instructions

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

2015-05-11 9:27 GMT+02:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > > It's the 18 pages of tag soup from > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.com/search?q=phone that hides phone numbers > from data consumers, not a potential well discussed and documented > improvement to the tagging architecture. > actually if you have a lo

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

In Italy we've been using something like maxspeed=50; source:maxspeed=IT:urban maxspeed=90; source:maxspeed=IT:rural +1 in France: maxspeed=50; source:maxspeed=FR:urban maxspeed=90; source:maxspeed=FR:rural maxspeed=130; source:maxspeed=FR:motorway maxspeed=30; source:maxspeed=FR:zone30 maxspe

Re: [Tagging] HOT: potential Helicopter landings leisure=common

Forwarding to HOT activation working group. Activation WG, Please see an ongoing discussion about tagging:leisure=common for potential helicopter landings Tagging group, Tentative answers inline. Andreas Goss wrote: > > > Look for a clear ar

Re: [Tagging] Roads with motor vehicle access limited to residents of a specific town

On 2015-05-10 15:33, Volker Schmidt wrote : > We do have here roads where access with motor vehicles is limited to > residents plus residents of the town, where the road is. > Example: http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/H5QZAcvCLQBwhbF4u2mq7w (zoom > in to read the details) > > How do I tag such situa

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

Well, in the US, I've just been tagging the 'ramp' speeds ( https://goo.gl/maps/Bw8Is ) as a normal 'maxspeed'. I know several other users here in the US have been doing it the same way. However, I wouldn't be opposed if we wanted to tag them as 'maxspeed:ramp=35 mph', but only if we could get

Re: [Tagging] HOT: potential Helicopter landings leisure=common

On Mon, 11 May 2015 11:02:38 +0200 althio wrote: > Forwarding to HOT activation working group. > > Activation WG, > Please see an ongoing discussion about tagging:leisure=common for > potential helicopter landings Note also that using leisure=common for places that are potential helicopter land

Re: [Tagging] HOT: potential Helicopter landings leisure=common

On 5/11/15 09:42 , Paweł Marynowski wrote: In Poland we use emergency=landing_site for this. Check Overpass Turbo rendering of occurrences - they are located mainly on football pitches or similar places. http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/emergency=landing_site Can you please document tags w

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

2015-05-11 11:04 GMT+02:00 James Mast : > Plus, while the cops can't pull you over and give you a ticket for > exceeding the 'ramp' speed (if they do, you can challenge it in court if > it's just a normal speeding ticket), they can however, nail you with a > reckless driving ticket/charge if you w

Re: [Tagging] HOT: potential Helicopter landings leisure=common

On Monday 11 May 2015, althio wrote: > > > > Can anybody explain to me why we use one of the most unlcear tags > > for this? Is this just tagging for the render or why is it so > > complicated to come up with a more fitting tag? > > As far as I understand, the explanation (not an approval): > It st

Re: [Tagging] Roads with motor vehicle access limited to residents of a specific town

On Mon May 11 10:03:48 2015 GMT+0100, André Pirard wrote: > On 2015-05-10 15:33, Volker Schmidt wrote : > > We do have here roads where access with motor vehicles is limited to > > residents plus residents of the town, where the road is. > > Example: http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/H5QZAcvCLQBwhbF4

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:04 AM, James Mast wrote: > However, I wouldn't be opposed if we wanted to tag them as 'maxspeed:ramp=35 > mph', but only if we could get the routers on board as that does help in the > time estimates and also to harp a user if he's going, say, 20 mph over the > 'ramp' spe

Re: [Tagging] Roads with motor vehicle access limited to residents of a specific town

2015-05-11 0:22 GMT+02:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > I'd say the simple answer is "access=private". > Anyone who has access knows they have access, and don't need OSM to tell > them. > "private" might be a good value for cases where you do need a written permission, IMHO this "residents" should be look

Re: [Tagging] Roads with motor vehicle access limited to residents of a specific town

2015-05-11 11:25 GMT+02:00 : > s'. I know the literal translation is residents, but a delivery driver or > a friend visiting would be allowed to drive there. > I would use access = destination in these cases. > in Italy there are cases where "destination" doesn't hit it, because you are only ex

Re: [Tagging] Roads with motor vehicle access limited to residents of a specific town

At some point you throw up your hands and ask "what does it say on the sign"? access:motorcar=see_note barrier=sign sign:text=Requires campus NL permit with toll tag transponder. Delivery excepted. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

UK Max speed advisory signs: Sign With additional info Variable -- Mik

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

I believe the solution for the problem has already been mentioned: the used tag "maxspeed:advisory"=* seems a good way to make the distinction between actual maxspeeds and advisory maxspeeds: http://taginfo.osm.org/keys/maxspeed%3Aadvisory#values Let's document this in the wiki, e.g. here: http://

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > How do you tag speed limits on curves and highway on/off ramps? At > least in Ontario, these speed limits are advisory only and signed with > a yellow sign (and sometimes on curves you will see a curve speed > limit sign and a higher gene

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 4:04 AM, James Mast wrote: > Well, in the US, I've just been tagging the 'ramp' speeds ( > https://goo.gl/maps/Bw8Is ) as a normal 'maxspeed'. I know several other > users here in the US have been doing it the same way. > Please don't, as this is confusing. Advisory spe

Re: [Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

On 11/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I believe there is some overlap between the shop values > > confectionery > pastry > candy > sweets > > shop=confectionery is used much more often than the other 3 (10K vs. 300 > vs. 100 vs. 50) and is likely covering all of these, but is quite generic.

Re: [Tagging] HOT: potential Helicopter landings leisure=common

> On May 11, 2015, at 6:02 PM, althio wrote: > > johnw mailto:jo...@mac.com>> wrote: >> The sports pitch in the middle of our local school sports stadium is also >> the staging grounds for wildfire fighting helicopters. >> >> I’m not about to add a aeroway=helipad to the field because it could

Re: [Tagging] HOT: potential Helicopter landings leisure=common

There are a number of reasons we shouldn't tag random places as potential emergency helipads: - Ground conditions - overhead obstructions - don't think we're qualified to make assessment (without site visit and heli knowledge) - A heli pilot wouldn't use our info - he'd always make

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

On 11 May 2015 at 11:40, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 4:04 AM, James Mast > wrote: > >> Well, in the US, I've just been tagging the 'ramp' speeds ( >> https://goo.gl/maps/Bw8Is ) as a normal 'maxspeed'. I know several >> other users here in the US have been doing it the same wa

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles -> surface=pebblestone ?

On 10 May 2015 at 13:19, Volker Schmidt wrote: > I don't think it's the same. > > I am interpreting and using these two tags like this: > > *pebblestones* is a road surface where pebbles are set in sand or mortar > (?) and is typically seen in old cities. Example: > http://mapillary.com/map/im/2K

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles -> surface=pebblestone ?

On 10 May 2015 at 15:34, Andy Mabbett wrote: > On 10 May 2015 at 13:19, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > > pebblestones is a road surface where pebbles are set in sand or mortar > (?) > > and is typically seen in old cities. Example: > > http://mapillary.com/map/im/2KnVHcwLqcyy6Qis4iWF1Q > > In British

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

Well if you read the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed that's exactly what maxspeed implies. and maxspeed:hgv etc is also there Cheers Ross On 11/05/15 21:08, pmailkeey . wrote: On 11 May 2015 at 11:40, Paul Johnson > wrote: On Mon, M

Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

shop=supermarket and membership=yes is more accurate than shop=wholesale for a business like Costco and Sams. Only true wholesalers should be tagged as such. +1 Agree. Costco is not a wholesale shop because they sell to any consumer who is willing to buy a membership. And they sell many items in

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

On 11/05/2015 08:32, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: On Mon, 11 May 2015 00:27:55 -0700 Bryce Nesbitt wrote: I think the concern about data consumers in general is far higher on this tagging list, then among actual data consumers. Agreed. For phone data it may be true, but for access tags (note th

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

On 11/05/2015 09:42, André Pirard wrote: The problem is that if you don't find a phone number you may miss a phone call but that if you use wrong access or routing tags you will instantly have GPSes send cars, bikes or pedestrian on the wrong road. It's really difficult to have it understood t

Re: [Tagging] HOT: potential Helicopter landings leisure=common

This is a group doing some kind of specialized mapping for their pilots. We' discussing the best way for them to tag things for their use. This is not a "tag all the soccer pitches helicopters could land on" discussion. Javbw > On May 11, 2015, at 8:00 PM, pmailkeey . wrote: > > There are

Re: [Tagging] HOT: potential Helicopter landings leisure=common

2015-05-11 9:59 GMT+02:00 Jean-Marc Liotier : > On 05/11/2015 09:42 AM, Paweł Marynowski wrote: > > 2015-05-11 8:53 GMT+02:00 johnw : > >> I’m not about to add a aeroway=helipad to the field because it could be >> used for emergency evacuations. >> > > In Poland we use emergency=landing_site for

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 68, Issue 35

Am 10.05.2015 um 15:29 schrieb Lists : >> +1 for pebbles. > > Don’t create a ridiculous amount of surface values, for roads there are > mainly 3 interesting values (paved/unpaved/setting stones), and for non-road > usage it should be free to cover about any exposed surfaces, i.e. beaches ca

Re: [Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

In my experience, most places that sell pastries would be better tagged as bakery. Even if they only sell pastries (ie no bread), they do have to bake them, right? :) On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 5:43 AM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > On 11/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I believe there is som

Re: [Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

I would be more in favor of a+b) because you might want to tag a place with shop=pastry because 95% of their assortiment is pastry, but they have 5% candy so you add candy=yes. Janko pon, 11. svi 2015. 17:12 Brad Neuhauser je napisao: > In my experience, most places that sell pastries would be

Re: [Tagging] Roads with motor vehicle access limited to residents of a specific town

My original question refers to the case of several roads where: (a) motor_vehicles=destination applies for everyone plus (b) residents of a specific village have full motor_vehicle access (indepenently of their destination) On 11 May 2015 at 11:43, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > At some point you thro

Re: [Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

There are Japanese "non-baked" confectioneries. (I believe similar confectioneries in other countries. esp. in Asia) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagashi If we take only a) plan, I'm afraid of we could not represent cultural variations. +1 to Janko's a+b), and to express the specialty, moltonel's

Re: [Tagging] Roads with motor vehicle access limited to residents of a specific town

In the USA one occasionally sees "local traffic only" signed. It's meant to counter cut-through traffic by commuters and delivery trucks. One city installed physical barriers to such use: http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/ContentDisplay.aspx?id=8238#Diverters http://quirkyberkeley.com/fire-hydrants-a

Re: [Tagging] Roads with motor vehicle access limited to residents of a specific town

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > In the USA one occasionally sees "local traffic only" signed. > It's meant to counter cut-through traffic by commuters and delivery trucks. > Usually that would be access=destination. Not quite the same that you can only drive it if you'r

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 68, Issue 35

I only now, after having lived for many years in the UK, I realise that the definition of gravel is wider than the equivalent of the German Splitt. I thought them equivalent. Looking it up in the English Wikipedia I found contradictory information. In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravel_road "gra

Re: [Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

Pastry-only shops are quite rare. See also shop=patisserie (62 uses). But is pastry = patisserie ? http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/03/de/f0/35/el-tawhid-pastry.jpg http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/05/28/25/df/patisserie-richard.jpg Because the first image is what

Re: [Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

W dniu 11.05.2015 18:18, Andreas Goss napisał(a): Pastry-only shops are quite rare. See also shop=patisserie (62 uses). But is pastry = patisserie ? Yet another item just for sugar?... =} I was about to create an icon for shop=confectionery in default map style, because it looked like an ea

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles -> surface=pebblestone ?

Speaking as an American, I would refer to that as a mix of cobbles and setts (some of the stones in the photo look rounded, some squared, and some irregular). They appear ti be about the size of a human palm. I think of pebbles as rocks of finger-diameter or less, such as the pea gravel often us

[Tagging] surface=brick -> surface=bricks?

Neither is documented at wiki but meaning seems clear and synonymous. surface=bricks is used 1997 times, surface=brick 541 times. surface=bricks is also consistent with plural form of popular countable surface values - surface=paving_stones and surface=concrete:plates Is there any good reason to

Re: [Tagging] Tagging village sign

In the USA, such signs are more commonly at or near the edge of the community, so that you see what community you are entering, rather than at its center. Also, while some communities have a public square, not all do so. On May 8, 2015 4:50:37 AM CDT, "Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)" wrote: >On

Re: [Tagging] HOT: potential Helicopter landings leisure=common

This is definitely something that needs a site survey. On May 11, 2015 6:00:29 AM CDT, "pmailkeey ." wrote: >There are a number of reasons we shouldn't tag random places as >potential >emergency helipads: > > - Ground conditions > - overhead obstructions >- don't think we're qualified to mak

Re: [Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

In the same way, there is a tradition of "boiled cookies" in the USA, that are on the borderline between cookies (biscuits, in British terminology) and candy. They involve a sticky, sweetened grain, most commonly oatmeal (rolled oats). Here is an example:

Re: [Tagging] surface=brick -> surface=bricks?

On 11 May 2015 at 21:40, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Neither is documented at wiki but meaning seems clear and synonymous. > > surface=bricks is used 1997 times, surface=brick 541 times. > > surface=bricks is also consistent with plural form of popular > countable surface values - surface=paving_s

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles -> surface=pebblestone ?

On 11 May 2015 at 21:35, John F. Eldredge wrote: > Speaking as an American, I would refer to that as a mix of cobbles and > setts (some of the stones in the photo look rounded, some squared, and some > irregular). They appear ti be about the size of a human palm. I think of > pebbles as rocks of

Re: [Tagging] surface=brick -> surface=bricks?

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Neither is documented at wiki but meaning seems clear and synonymous. > > surface=bricks is used 1997 times, surface=brick 541 times. > > surface=bricks is also consistent with plural form of popular > countable surface values - surface=

Re: [Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

On 11/05/2015, Andreas Goss wrote: >> Pastry-only shops are >> quite rare. See also shop=patisserie (62 uses). > > But is pastry = patisserie ? To me it is, but deserts are very tied to the local culture, so I'm sure opinions will differ. > http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/03/de/f

Re: [Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

On 11/05/2015, Daniel Koć wrote: > W dniu 11.05.2015 18:18, Andreas Goss napisał(a): >>> Pastry-only shops are >>> quite rare. See also shop=patisserie (62 uses). >> >> But is pastry = patisserie ? > > Yet another item just for sugar?... =} Blaspheme ! :p You shouldn't compare Haribo-type sweets

Re: [Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

> On May 12, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Satoshi IIDA wrote: > > > There are Japanese "non-baked" confectioneries. > (I believe similar confectioneries in other countries. esp. in Asia) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagashi > > If we take only a) plan, I'm afraid

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles -> surface=pebblestone ?

In American usage, by contrast, the mixed-sizes, rounded rocks you would find on a rocky beach are shingle. Only the smaller of such rocks would be referred to as pebbles. Pea gravel refers specifically to pea-sized pebbles, generally mined from a stream bed or river bed. On May 11, 2015 5:50:

Re: [Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

Minor nitpick: desserts are sweet foods, usually eaten at the end of a meal. Deserts are areas with little rainfall, and sparse or no vegetation. On May 11, 2015 6:17:08 PM CDT, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: >On 11/05/2015, Andreas Goss wrote: >>> Pastry-only shops are >>> quite rare. See also shop

Re: [Tagging] surface=brick -> surface=bricks?

On Mon, 11 May 2015 23:42:00 +0100 "pmailkeey ." wrote: > On 11 May 2015 at 21:40, Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: > > > Is there any good reason to avoid changing existing surface=brick to > > surface=bricks? > > > > > >1. Is there any good reason for changing 'brick' to 'bricks' ? Yes - surf

Re: [Tagging] surface=brick -> surface=bricks?

"Is there any good reason to avoid changing existing surface=brick to surface=bricks?" Yes. In English, brick can be an adjective as well as a noun. As an adjective, as it is here, it should have no "s". On 12 May 2015 at 05:40, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Neither is documented at wiki but mea