Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > IMHO it would make editing and using data harder. It sounds like > something that should be improved by a better interface for editors > (grouping similar tags together). Exactly the problem. How can a computer tell that "dog" "hgv"

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - admin_title=*

On 17.12.2014 16:25, I wrote: > This is about a new attribute for administrative devisions. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/admin_title So far there were 3 alternative suggestions, which all have their drawbacks: 1) official_status: It remains unclear what the prefix mea

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

Do you plan to use the same prefix for vehicle, foot, ... ? Or just for the categories that you listed ? regards m On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > There was discussion about the contact: prefix... now how about the > "access" tags? > > There are a lot of them, and tryin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - admin_title=*

I prefer designation=* since it it already a widely used tag that fits the intended purpose of the proposed admin_title=* tag. The question on whether the value should be human-readable or machine-readable can be solved by using correspondence tables to link the two. Barring such a table, I don't s

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - admin_title=*

On 10.05.2015 10:38, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > I prefer designation=* since it it already a widely used tag that fits the > intended purpose of the proposed admin_title=* tag. The question on whether > the value should be human-readable or machine-readable can be solved by > using correspondence

[Tagging] Proposed tag value: surface=bare_rock

Currently there is no good surface value to tag paths with bare rock as surface. Such surface occurs typically on paths through mountains. Among more common tags used for this purpose are surface=stone/rocky/rock. These are not clear and may mean also different things. Some people also used surfac

[Tagging] surface=pebbles -> surface=pebblestone ?

surface=pebblestone is documented at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface and used 23 537 times. surface=pebbles is not documented and used 555 times. Both seem to have the same meaning. Is there any good reason to avoid changing existing surface=pebbles to surface=pebblestone? __

Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

You show your membership card at the door for entry, and again at purchase. All services and purchases are tied to your membership account. There are some regulations that prevent certain kinds of business from being "membership" based - so the pharmacy in the U.S. And Japan (don't know about

Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

That's the argument on why I can't put brake pads on my car in Japan. I can't buy anything but air filters, batteries, & motor oil in Japan - so "car parts stores" are either jammed full of accessories or you are buying through a trade/wholesale supplier who knows you are a certified mechanic s

[Tagging] Request to document (or retag) surface=hard/interlock/laterite

surface=hard/interlock/laterite are used by some people but how these tags should be interpreted is not clear. To all people using these tags: consider using other more popular ones (surface=hard seems to be equivalent of surface=paved) or document them on wiki (I have no idea whatever road with s

Re: [Tagging] Request to document (or retag) surface=hard/interlock/laterite

On Sun, 10 May 2015 13:26:47 +0200 Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > surface=hard/interlock/laterite are used by some people but how these > tags should be interpreted is not clear. One may use http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9gX to find features tagged this way

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles -> surface=pebblestone ?

I don't think it's the same. I am interpreting and using these two tags like this: *pebblestones* is a road surface where pebbles are set in sand or mortar (?) and is typically seen in old cities. Example: http://mapillary.com/map/im/2KnVHcwLqcyy6Qis4iWF1Q *pebbles* is similar to gravel, only th

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles -> surface=pebblestone ?

Regardless of pebbles vs pebblestone, where did the distinction of "gravel=sharp, pebblestone=rounded" come from? Is there any way to easily see who first contributed a particular section of a wiki page? I'm not convinced that the wiki is documenting usage in OSM here. A bit like natural=wo

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles -> surface=pebblestone ?

On 10 May 2015 at 12:03, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Is there any good reason to avoid changing existing surface=pebbles to > surface=pebblestone? I'm a native speaker of British English, and I've; never heard of "pebblestones". +1 for pebbles. Google suggests useage of the latter outweighs the

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 12:22:07AM -0700, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: > > > > > IMHO it would make editing and using data harder. It sounds like > > something that should be improved by a better interface for editors > > (grouping similar tag

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles -> surface=pebblestone ?

I have to confess that my use is based on the OSM wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface and I did not check the mother tongue of the authors :-) There are highway surfaces where pebbles are set (I suppose by hand) into some material that holds them in position (typically in historic

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

On 7 May 2015 at 06:11, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > There is confusion between monument and memorial ... suggest follow the > definitions under the OSM tag historic .. where > monument is large ... as in you can walk inside it, over it. > memorial is small .. say a plaque Really: h

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles -> surface=pebblestone ?

On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 01:29:48PM +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: > Regardless of pebbles vs pebblestone, where did the distinction of > "gravel=sharp, pebblestone=rounded" come from? Is there any way to easily > see who first contributed a particular section of a wiki page? wikiblame would do it but

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles -> surface=pebblestone ?

On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 03:03:14PM +0200, Richard Z. wrote: > On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 01:29:48PM +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: > > Regardless of pebbles vs pebblestone, where did the distinction of > > "gravel=sharp, pebblestone=rounded" come from? Is there any way to easily > > see who first contrib

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 68, Issue 35

> On May 10, 2015, at 10:14, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 13:31:16 +0100 > From: Andy Mabbett > > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org>> > Subject: Re: [Tagg

[Tagging] Roads with motor vehicle access limited to residents of a specific town

We do have here roads where access with motor vehicles is limited to residents plus residents of the town, where the road is. Example: http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/H5QZAcvCLQBwhbF4u2mq7w (zoom in to read the details) How do I tag such situation? ___ T

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

ned, 10. svi 2015. 14:54 Andy Mabbett je napisao: Really: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Memorial ? Every monument is a memorial, isn't it? Monuments are large memorials. Janko ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://l

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

On 10 May 2015 at 14:33, Janko Mihelić wrote: > Every monument is a memorial, isn't it? Monuments are large memorials. In British English yes; but the issue is that in other cultures (and languages) a "monument" is a "historic building". See: http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org/ for example.

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles -> surface=pebblestone ?

On 10 May 2015 at 13:19, Volker Schmidt wrote: > pebblestones is a road surface where pebbles are set in sand or mortar (?) > and is typically seen in old cities. Example: > http://mapillary.com/map/im/2KnVHcwLqcyy6Qis4iWF1Q In British English, those are cobbles or cobblestinoes: https://en.

Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 20:08 +0900, John Willis wrote: > There are some regulations that prevent certain kinds of business from > being "membership" based - so the pharmacy in the U.S. And Japan > (don't know about others) are open to "everyone" and have a separate, > non-membership, register everyo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - admin_title=*

On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: > On 10.05.2015 10:38, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > > I prefer designation=* since it it already a widely used tag that fits > the > > intended purpose of the proposed admin_title=* tag. The question on > whether > > the value should be h

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: > Do you plan to use the same prefix for vehicle, foot, ... ? > Or just for the categories that you listed ? > The thought here is to group all access tags, current and those invented in the future. __

Re: [Tagging] Roads with motor vehicle access limited to residents of a specific town

I'd say the simple answer is "access=private". Anyone who has access knows they have access, and don't need OSM to tell them. That said I did just map "access=permit_required + bicycle=no" for a trail that anyone can use, but only after buying a permit. On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 6:33 AM, Volker S

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

Without any better suggestions, I'll tag them holiday resorts. -- Mike. @millomweb - For all your info on Millom and South Copeland via *the area's premier website - * *currently unavailable due to ongoing harassment of me, my family,

Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag value: surface=bare_rock

Hummm ... the mappers want more detail .. the renders less? A solution? surface=rock rock=sandstone: limerock; granite etc ... Possibly some mappers (with little to do?) will also want surface=grass grass= buffalo; couch; etc ? Most of the surfaces I map are so variable I'm usually using

[Tagging] Maxspeed

How do you tag speed limits on curves and highway on/off ramps? At least in Ontario, these speed limits are advisory only and signed with a yellow sign (and sometimes on curves you will see a curve speed limit sign and a higher general speed limit sign right beside each other). I have used ramp_spe

[Tagging] proposal - camp_site= Voting ends soon

Approaching close of vote on this proposed feature. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Camp_Site We currently have - 8 approvals 1 reject 2 abstains The 'reject' notes some use of camp_site=pitch already and suggests a conflict. If we accept that, it has implication for how th

Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag value: surface=bare_rock

On Mon, 2015-05-11 at 09:06 +1000, Warin wrote: > Hummm ... the mappers want more detail .. the renders less? This (surface=) was the topic for a long discussion last year. As you say, mappers seem to want to put more and more detail into the database. Its really a case of "write only memory" - yo

Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

> What is distinctive is that such places usually have specialist staff > and stock suitable for professionals (but often in very small businesses > who would not have the volume to buy from wholesalers), and will run > business accounts using "trade prices"and credit for them. But they are > typic

[Tagging] HOT: potential Helicopter landings leisure=common

Look for a clear area in the village away from houses and hills. Shift to Opencyclemap layer to evaluate if this area is flat enough, with a minimum width of 30 meter. The Scale bar can help to evaluate the distances. The image above help al

Re: [Tagging] Roads with motor vehicle access limited to residents of a specific town

On Sun, 10 May 2015 15:22:38 -0700 Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > I'd say the simple answer is "access=private". > Anyone who has access knows they have access, and don't need OSM to > tell them. > > > That said I did just map "access=permit_required + bicycle=no" for a > trail that anyone can use, but

Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > A lot of Costco's customers are small businesses who buy wholesale > from Costco and then resell at higher prices, but many individuals > shop as well. So shop=wholesale is probably reasonable. > > Is the consensus that Costco and Sam's C

Re: [Tagging] HOT: potential Helicopter landings leisure=common

Hi, On 05/11/15 06:04, Andreas Goss wrote: > > > Look for a clear area in the village away from houses and hills. Shift > to Opencyclemap layer to evaluate if this area is flat enough, with a > minimum width of 30 meter. The Scale bar can hel

Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

> > A lot of Costco's customers are small businesses who buy wholesale 25 years ago this was their business model. (Price club). 15 years ago this was still true. This is not true any more. They still have business accounts (my friend has one), but I’ll bet you % of customers and % items

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - admin_title=*

On 10.05.2015 22:48, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > Then there should be an effort to standardize the possible values of > designation=* when applied to administrative entities. I think your current > proposal is a good time to discuss that. The resulting standardized tags would need to be included

Re: [Tagging] HOT: potential Helicopter landings leisure=common

That reeks of tagging for the renderer. Surely there is a landuse=grass (or natural=meadow or scrub) + some sort of helipad tag that could be used for this. The grass or meadow or scrub by itself should (correctly) be rendered, and a private tag aeroway=rough_helipad or emergency_helipad or