Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] amenity=bicycle_repair_station :::: only 18 so far

2014-11-27 Thread Erik Johansson
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: >> Maybe they are sometimes tagged in another way as shop=bicycle + >> service:bicycle:repair=yes and service:bicycle:retail=no >> (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop=bicycle?

Re: [Tagging] Various alt_name values?

2014-11-27 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Friedrich Volkmann wrote on 2014-11-27 03:38: On 26.11.2014 18:23, Brian Quinion wrote: At the moment nominatim supports alt_name_[0-9]+:= for alt names I've added this to the wiki Please don't document values supported by single applications. The wiki should represent values which are in u

Re: [Tagging] Various alt_name values?

2014-11-27 Thread Colin Smale
Big +1 for that. To me, solving it from the root means formalising the use of the semicolon as a value separator, and cracking some hard nuts like how to handle a legitimate semicolon in the data itself and how to handle the quoting/escaping that that will involve. But let's do it once and o

Re: [Tagging] Various alt_name values?

2014-11-27 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 27/11/2014, Colin Smale wrote: > Big +1 for that. -1. On what do you base your assumption that nominatim is the only software implementing numbered keys ? How is documenting what a major osm software does a bad thing ? For better or worse, the numbered keys scheme sees a good bit of use accor

Re: [Tagging] Various alt_name values?

2014-11-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-27 12:59 GMT+01:00 moltonel 3x Combo : > Either the > data user forgets to do the split, or he does it when it wasn't the > mapper's intent, or litteral semincolons in the data get in the way. > Yes, formally introducing the semicolon practise will force data consumers to look for it, or

Re: [Tagging] Various alt_name values?

2014-11-27 Thread althio forum
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 12:59 PM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > "alt_name" is already a way to encode 1 > additional value for the "name" key, so if you're describing a scheme > to add any number of additional values, apply this scheme to "name" > and not "alt_name". +1 An ideal(?) scheme would a

Re: [Tagging] Various alt_name values?

2014-11-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-27 13:43 GMT+01:00 althio forum : > An ideal(?) scheme would apply to name=* so that: > [name+1]=* is equivalent to alt_name=* and > [name+2]=* is equivalent to alt_name_1/alt_name:1/alt_name1/[alt_name+1]=*. > > The same scheme should also apply to old_name=* because you can get > several

Re: [Tagging] Various alt_name values?

2014-11-27 Thread Colin Smale
So the "root problem" is how to support multi-valued keys. Using the semicolon puts the solution into the value, using numbered keys puts the solution into the keys. As (AFAIK) both the keys and the values are limited to 255 chars, I can see that being a limitation for value-based solutions.

Re: [Tagging] Various alt_name values?

2014-11-27 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 27 November 2014 at 11:59, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > To me, the semincolon scheme as a general solution is a very bad idea, > Either the data user forgets to do the split, or he does it when it wasn't the > mapper's intent, or litteral semincolons in the data get in the way. Could you provi

Re: [Tagging] Various alt_name values?

2014-11-27 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 27/11/2014, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2014-11-27 12:59 GMT+01:00 moltonel 3x Combo : >> Either the >> data user forgets to do the split, or he does it when it wasn't the >> mapper's intent, or litteral semincolons in the data get in the way. > > Yes, formally introducing the semicolon practi

[Tagging] custom road ref shields

2014-11-27 Thread johnw
I have a question about creating custom road shields, and I know this ties into -carto - but I think it needs tags to work, so I’ll start here in the tagging list. I was thinking of a method for adding custom badges or shields to roads and generic objects - usually country specific things, suc

Re: [Tagging] Various alt_name values?

2014-11-27 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 27/11/2014, Andy Mabbett wrote: > On 27 November 2014 at 11:59, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > >> To me, the semincolon scheme as a general solution is a very bad idea, > >> Either the data user forgets to do the split, or he does it when it wasn't >> the >> mapper's intent, or litteral semincolon

Re: [Tagging] Various alt_name values?

2014-11-27 Thread Erik Johansson
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Brian Quinion < openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk> wrote: > On 25 November 2014 at 13:30, althio forum wrote: > > I don't even know which keys are currently under use by Nominatim and > other > > data consumers and how that could evolve in the future. > > At the m

Re: [Tagging] custom road ref shields

2014-11-27 Thread Tod Fitch
If I recall correctly from a discussion on the Talk-us list a while back, the preferred way in the US is now to specify the shield in a route relation. I did not follow the discussion fully but my impression is that the tagging allowed for custom specification of the shield. It looks like https

Re: [Tagging] custom road ref shields

2014-11-27 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/27/14 10:39 AM, Tod Fitch wrote: If I recall correctly from a discussion on the Talk-us list a while back, the preferred way in the US is now to specify the shield in a route relation. I did not follow the discussion fully but my impression is that the tagging allowed for custom specific

Re: [Tagging] custom road ref shields

2014-11-27 Thread johnw
I think having it on the relation is a great idea, especially since adding the tags to all the road segments sounds like an insane amount of tagging . Is this something that we should ask Phil to create a formal proposal page for the tags, so we can start adding symbol key values to relations? I

Re: [Tagging] custom road ref shields

2014-11-27 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/27/14 6:48 PM, johnw wrote: I think having it on the relation is a great idea, especially since adding the tags to all the road segments sounds like an insane amount of tagging . Is this something that we should ask Phil to create a formal proposal page for the tags, so we can start addin

Re: [Tagging] custom road ref shields

2014-11-27 Thread Paul Johnson
Why not just compose this from the network tag on the relation? I'm almost certain that was one of the motivating factors to going to route relations in the first place. On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 7:48 AM, johnw wrote: > I have a question about creating custom road shields, and I know this ties >

Re: [Tagging] custom road ref shields

2014-11-27 Thread johnw
> On Nov 28, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > > On 11/27/14 6:48 PM, johnw wrote: >> I think having it on the relation is a great idea, especially since adding >> the tags to all the road segments sounds like an insane amount of tagging . >> Is this something that we should ask Phil to