[Tagging] Climbing access path

2014-08-07 Thread k4r573n
I would like to distinguish between hiking paths and climbing_access paths. In my area only climbers are allowed to use the paths to access the cliffs. Therefore I thought of this tagging for climbing_access paths: access=customers customers=climbers what I found so far: path=climbing_acces

Re: [Tagging] Climbing access path

2014-08-07 Thread Никита
I understand access=customers, it is okay tag for this case. But what does customers=climbers mean? How do you distinguish climbers from others?.. http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/customers#values says there 25 instances with 4 values, but what exactly do they mean? If customers=climbers mean

Re: [Tagging] Climbing access path

2014-08-07 Thread Marc Gemis
Wouldn't it be better to use the sac_scale [1] instead of artificially limiting it to customers ? regards m [1 ]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sac_scale On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 9:51 AM, k4r573n wrote: > I would like to distinguish between hiking paths and climbing_access paths. > In m

Re: [Tagging] Climbing access path

2014-08-07 Thread Dan S
The sac_scale is about difficulty, not permission. I assume from Karsten's original message that only climbers are permitted to use those paths. If so, then access=customers is appropriate, and customers=climbers seems helpful... Dan 2014-08-07 9:50 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis : > Wouldn't it be better

Re: [Tagging] Climbing access path

2014-08-07 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 07.08.2014 09:51, k4r573n wrote: > I would like to distinguish between hiking paths and climbing_access paths. > In my area only climbers are allowed to use the paths to access the cliffs. > > Therefore I thought of this tagging for climbing_access paths: > access=customers > customers=clim

Re: [Tagging] Climbing access path

2014-08-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2014-08-07 at 10:03 +0100, Dan S wrote: > The sac_scale is about difficulty, not permission. I assume from > Karsten's original message that only climbers are permitted to use > those paths. If so, then access=customers is appropriate, and > customers=climbers seems helpful... Customers im

[Tagging] amenity=job(_)centre outdated?

2014-08-07 Thread Andreas Goss
There are like 20x amenity=jobcentre and 65x amenity=job_centre. Meanwhile office=employment_agency is used 1200x On http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Jobcentre_%28plus%29 you find: "Currently unclear if that tag encompass government run job centres." Checking in Germany t

Re: [Tagging] Climbing access path

2014-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-08-07 11:14 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes : > Customers implies that climbers have to pay to climb, there is someone > controlling access, collecting money. > > I would go for highway=path, access=climbers. > >From how I understood the original poster I'd go for fee=yes / and/or access=private.

Re: [Tagging] amenity=job(_)centre outdated?

2014-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-08-07 11:48 GMT+02:00 Andreas Goss : > There are like 20x amenity=jobcentre and 65x amenity=job_centre. Meanwhile > office=employment_agency is used 1200x > > On http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ > Jobcentre_%28plus%29 you find: > "Currently unclear if that tag encompass g

Re: [Tagging] amenity=job(_)centre outdated?

2014-08-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2014-08-07 at 11:48 +0200, Andreas Goss wrote: > There are like 20x amenity=jobcentre and 65x amenity=job_centre. > Meanwhile office=employment_agency is used 1200x > > On > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Jobcentre_%28plus%29 you > find: > "Currently unclear if tha

Re: [Tagging] Climbing access path

2014-08-07 Thread Tom Pfeifer
If I understand Karsten correctly, the limitation is not about payment, it is to limit the number of people using this path. This would be typical for climbing crags in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conservation areas. A typical example is the sandstone climbing in Saxonia/Germany, which is

Re: [Tagging] amenity=job(_)centre outdated?

2014-08-07 Thread Andreas Goss
It would be very very wrong to try to merge Job Centre with employment agency. 99% of Jobcenters in Germany are tagged as office=employment_agency, so currently the distinction you point out does not exist. Should we tag the government ones with amenity=jobcentre in addition? But as Martin p

[Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-07 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bridge mentions "swing" bridges without defining them. Apparently mappers do totally disagree what "swing" means.. out of our mapped bridge=swing * about half are small swinging bridges (aka simple suspension, hanging bridges) * some are swing bridges

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-08-07 17:25 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. : > > Wondering what to do with that? With just 687 objects worldwide the problem > would be easily fixable.. just how? I think tagging the type of bridge as road attribute might be an exxageration. We should start mapping bridges as objects (area) and then

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-07 Thread Volker Schmidt
Good old Wiipedia helps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge#Types_of_bridges http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_bridge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_bridge On 7 August 2014 17:25, Richard Z. wrote: > > Those are radically different types of bridges.. comparing >http://www.trav

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2014-08-07 at 17:53 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2014-08-07 17:25 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. : > > Wondering what to do with that? With just 687 objects > worldwide the problem > would be easily fixable.. just how? > > > I think tagging the type of bri

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-07 Thread Volker Schmidt
Yes. That is a navigable aqueduct bridge. It is a structurally a viaduct with an aqueduct function on top. So how to map these two orthogonal properties of this bridge? I would map this as waterway=canal, bridge=viaduct, boat=yes, layer=x exactly as we do for a road bridge. If you want you can add

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-08-07 19:06 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes : > An aqueduct is definitely a type of bridge, i.e. one carrying a > waterway, usually a canal over a road, river or valley. > > The most famous, and scariest of them all > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontcysyllte_Aqueduct > yes, aqueducts will usuall

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-07 Thread Volker Schmidt
On 7 August 2014 18:35, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > yes, aqueducts will usually also have bridges as parts of them (not all, > some even run underground for instance). > Not true. In California the aqueducts look like navigable canals, but carry drinking water. > Still this is a completely d