Re: [Tagging] [OSM-dev] Renderer issue: highway=service and service=driveway?

2014-01-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014/1/8 Pieren > However, I see some interest to have a specific documentation for > Africa. > agreed. FYI, I have changed the description on this page for tracks (before: connection roads between hamlets, after: agricultural and forestry use only). Be it in Africa or not, if a road has connec

[Tagging] Unsuitable?

2014-01-08 Thread Martin Vonwald
Hi! Since when is "unsuitable" an accepted value for the access keys? I always thought that the access keys describe legal restrictions. best regards, Martin [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#Values ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@open

Re: [Tagging] Unsuitable?

2014-01-08 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > Since when is "unsuitable" an accepted value for the access keys? I always > thought that the access keys describe legal restrictions. It says "usage is discouraged (e.g. HGVs on narrow lanes) . Often marked by a traffic sign " So maybe, t

Re: [Tagging] Unsuitable?

2014-01-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014/1/8 Pieren > > Since when is "unsuitable" an accepted value for the access keys? I > always > > thought that the access keys describe legal restrictions. > > It says "usage is discouraged (e.g. HGVs on narrow lanes) . Often > marked by a traffic sign " > > So maybe, there is a traffic sign f

Re: [Tagging] Unsuitable?

2014-01-08 Thread Colin Smale
I am not sure why it was suddenly changed (today) from unsuitable to discouraged, but "Unsuitable for HGVs" is seen frequently in the UK. To my understanding there is a difference between the semantics of unsuitable and discouraged, the former being a simple statement of (official) opinion and t

Re: [Tagging] Unsuitable?

2014-01-08 Thread Philip Barnes
There are lots of Unsuitable for HGV/Motor vehicle signs in this very rural part of the UK. I will see if I can find some photos later, I would just take some on my way home but only see daylight at weekends at this time of year. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 08/01/2014 13:38

Re: [Tagging] Unsuitable?

2014-01-08 Thread SomeoneElse
Colin Smale wrote: ... "Unsuitable for HGVs" is seen frequently in the UK. ... Taginfo gives 318 occurrences of hgv=unsuitable. The principle of hgv=* (and other vehicle-class tags) using the same values as access=* would also suggest there is some merit in documenting "unsuitable" as a reco

Re: [Tagging] Unsuitable?

2014-01-08 Thread Dominic Hosler
Personally, I don't think the wiki for a well established tag should be changed in such a significant way without discussion and voting. This is because I would oppose changing the access tag away from the legal access rights. I think if we want to describe something subjective like what vehicles m

Re: [Tagging] Unsuitable?

2014-01-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/08/2014 05:17 PM, Dominic Hosler wrote: > I think if we want to describe something subjective > like what vehicles may or may not fit There might be a misunderstanding. There are a number of roads officially signposted: "Unsuitable for X" - this is not subjective, at least not on the pa

Re: [Tagging] Unsuitable?

2014-01-08 Thread Philip Barnes
These examples are not far from home so I can get some copyright free versions, when there is some daylight. An example of unsuitable for all motor vehicles https://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=52.812712,-2.642415&spn=0.003962,0.010364&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=52.812712,-2.642415&panoid=wmYBMLnyBiKjRsNIkNw5

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-dev] Renderer issue: highway=service and service=driveway?

2014-01-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014/1/8 Pierre BĂ©land > The images in the Highway tag usage wiki page give implicitely > instructions to take care of the quality of the road to classify. But it is > stated at the beginning of the page, that it is sometimes useful to adapt > *highway >

[Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Gambling (reminder)

2014-01-08 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, This is a reminder that voting on the gambling proposal is currently open. Voting can be done here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Gambling With kind regards, Matthijs Melissen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstree

Re: [Tagging] Unsuitable?

2014-01-08 Thread Jonathan
Very important that we can mark roads that are officially designated as unsuitable for certain vehicles. Don't see a problem with this use of this tag? Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 08/01/2014 17:44, Philip Barnes wrote: These examples are not far from home so I can get some copyright

[Tagging] access in the wiki: move psv to "by use"

2014-01-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I propose to move "psv" (including "taxi" and "bus") from the vehicle classes section to the section "by use", because that's what it is. page for reference: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@o

Re: [Tagging] Unsuitable?

2014-01-08 Thread Greg Troxel
Jonathan writes: > Very important that we can mark roads that are officially designated > as unsuitable for certain vehicles. Don't see a problem with this use > of this tag? Sure, but designated as unsuitable is not about right of access; it's a different kind of attribute. So something lik

Re: [Tagging] Unsuitable?

2014-01-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014/1/9 Greg Troxel > Sure, but designated as unsuitable is not about right of access; it's a > different kind of attribute. So something like > > unsuitable=hgv > this might depend on the circumstances/jurisdiction. Maybe it would already put you legally in a bad situation if you drove your

Re: [Tagging] Unsuitable?

2014-01-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
dieterdreist wrote: > this might depend on the circumstances/jurisdiction. Maybe it would > already put you legally in a bad situation if you drove your hgv into > that road with the sign suggesting you don't do so, and something > (i.e. damage) happens? Yes. AIUI "Unsuitable for HGVs" is not a

Re: [Tagging] access in the wiki: move psv to "by use"

2014-01-08 Thread Martin Vonwald
2014/1/9 Martin Koppenhoefer > I propose to move "psv" (including "taxi" and "bus") from the vehicle > classes section to the section "by use", because that's what it is. > I agree. (Usage, that relies on the current hierarchy should be limited to non-existent) And maybe it is time to think aga