2012/5/14 Nathan Edgars II :
> We're missing the fact that it's easy to turn around, and a car or bike
> doesn't have to make a three-point turn. This can be nice for biking for
> exercise.
This of course is without doubts true. But compare the amount of
details we loose in this simplification to
If there are no further objections I will update the article about
junction=roundabout by tomorrow according to my latest version:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Imagic/Werkstatt
Things to do:
* As soon as there is an accepted simplification for "turning circles
with an island" I'll updat
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote:
> Correct - this needs some simplification just like allowing
> junction=roundabout on a node for small roundabouts. But I would
> really like to update the page before we talk about this, because
> otherwise the update won't be any time soon
2012/5/15 Jaakko Helleranta.com :
> I bought a laptop backpack from a shop that sells bags just a bit over a week
> ago.
> My wife bought a handbag and some small bags.
> Neither of us bought a travel, nor were these bags travel-related.
>
> The store sells also bags that are clearly luggage.
> Th
2012/5/15 Josh Doe :
>> The longer I think about it, the more I'm asking myself: do we really
>> need a tag for this? If someone doesn't want to map it as loop, why
>> not simply end the road without any additional tag? What information
>> are we missing then, that we are not missing if we use a si
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Josh Doe wrote:
> Why don't we keep it simple and just use highway=turning_circle and
> turning_circle=island, since it's more akin to a turning_circle than a
> roundabout, and I doubt any data consumers other than rendering
> currently do anything with turning_ci
2012/5/15 Pieren :
> Imho, if you want to indicate a turning-circle island, it's
> micro-mapping : you should better draw the loop geometry instead of
> creating a tag for the geometry (in the same way we don't tag
> roundabout flares, we draw separate carriageways if we want).
completely agree.
2012/5/15 Martin Koppenhoefer :
> 2012/5/15 Pieren :
>> Imho, if you want to indicate a turning-circle island, it's
>> micro-mapping : you should better draw the loop geometry instead of
>> creating a tag for the geometry (in the same way we don't tag
>> roundabout flares, we draw separate carriage
2012/5/15 Pieren :
> Btw, current wiki description is funny : "place to turn around .. but
> it is not a turning circle".
Well, that's why it is in the "Danger of confusion" section ;-)
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* Martin Vonwald [2012-05-15 14:11 +0200]:
> Now the only issue remaining is: how? Right now I see two solutions:
> 1) highway=turning_circle and turning_circle=island or traffic_calming=island
> 2) new tag like e.g. highway=turning_loop
[snip]
> I would really like to get more opinions from the p
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote:
> Now the only issue remaining is: how? Right now I see two solutions:
> 1) highway=turning_circle and turning_circle=island or traffic_calming=island
> 2) new tag like e.g. highway=turning_loop
>
> The problem with 1 is that the turning_circl
Are there any alternatives to
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Kein_kreisel_IMGP9185_osm.jpg
?
Maybe I'm alone in this, but the three arrows are very confusing. I
had to stare at the large image for quite a while before I was able to
figure them out.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Marti
If not, maybe we could add a sentence such as "Unlike at a roundabout,
it is legal to drive to the right or to the left of the obstruction."
Also, is it acceptable to simply map the feature as a circular way,
rather than use traffic_calming=island?
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Anthony wrote:
2012/5/15 Anthony :
> Also, is it acceptable to simply map the feature as a circular way,
> rather than use traffic_calming=island?
I don't think so. Because the street is not a circular way, but
instead there is an island in the middle of the street. At least this
is my interpretation.
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I added highway=turning_loop to the last example and noted, that it is
under discussion right now.
It would really help a lot if the major renderers would support this,
as well as junction=roundabout on a single node. Otherwise I'm afraid
the acceptance would be rather low.
Thanks!
Martin
2012/5
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote:
> 2012/5/15 Anthony :
>> Also, is it acceptable to simply map the feature as a circular way,
>> rather than use traffic_calming=island?
>
> I don't think so. Because the street is not a circular way, but
> instead there is an island in the mid
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Anthony wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote:
>> I don't think so. Because the street is not a circular way, but
>> instead there is an island in the middle of the street. At least this
>> is my interpretation.
>
> How does this differ fr
2012/5/15 Anthony :
> However, in OSM terminology, there is no distinction between
> roundabouts and traffic circles, right?
Yes and no ;-)
> ... in a roundabout
> entering traffic must always yield to traffic already in the circle
That's junction=roundabout or highway=mini_roundabout -> right-o
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote:
> 2012/5/15 Anthony :
>> ... in a roundabout
>> entering traffic must always yield to traffic already in the circle
>
> That's junction=roundabout or highway=mini_roundabout -> right-of-way
>
>> whereas in a traffic circle entering traffic is
On 15/05/2012 16:30, Anthony wrote:
Okay, so, for OSM terminology, a roundabout means 1) traffic goes in
one direction; 2) entering traffic must yield; and 3) entering traffic
need not stop (no stop signs).
I hope not...OSM currently has no way of reflecting priority at
junctions. Introducing t
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote:
> I added highway=turning_loop to the last example and noted, that it is
> under discussion right now.
I've changed all my junction=roundabout + note=turning_loop to be
highway=turning_loop now.
> It would really help a lot if the major rend
Should also be valid for a closed way like the junction= key so detail
wouldn't have to be removed in situations where such an island was mapped
as a roundabout.
On May 15, 2012 5:58 AM, "Anthony" wrote:
> If not, maybe we could add a sentence such as "Unlike at a roundabout,
> it is legal to dri
2012/5/15 Colin Smale
> On 15/05/2012 16:30, Anthony wrote:
>
>
> I hope not...OSM currently has no way of reflecting priority at junctions.
> Introducing this distinction just for "circular junctions" is a bit
> pointless.
>
>
> Well there IS highway=give_way. Not that I tagged it so far. But al
On 14/05/12 12:36, Martin Vonwald wrote:
> The reworked article about junction=roundabout is now more or less
> finished, so please comment on the whole article:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Imagic/Werkstatt
>
> Still open, so please provide feedback:
> * Decision if traffic_calming=c
On 5/15/2012 10:30 AM, Anthony wrote:
Okay, so, for OSM terminology, a roundabout means 1) traffic goes in
one direction; 2) entering traffic must yield; and 3) entering traffic
need not stop (no stop signs).
Nope. Junction=roundabout applies to all (one-way) traffic circles, no
matter what th
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 10:30 -0400, Anthony wrote:
> 2) entering traffic must yield; and
Not always. In France there are still a few where traffic on the
roundabout gives way to traffic joining the roundabout. Isn't the Arc De
Triomphe the most famous 'old style'.
Phil
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On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Philip Barnes wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 10:30 -0400, Anthony wrote:
>
>
>> 2) entering traffic must yield; and
> Not always. In France there are still a few where traffic on the
> roundabout gives way to traffic joining the roundabout. Isn't the Arc De
> Trio
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Philip Barnes wrote:
>> 2) entering traffic must yield; and
> Not always. In France there are still a few where traffic on the
> roundabout gives way to traffic joining the roundabout. Isn't the Arc De
> Triomphe the most famous 'old style'.
Basically such 'old st
It would be nice if these "rond-points" would be explicitly tagged (e.g.
junction=rond_point???) so mkgmap can still easily be taught to
recognise it and treat it as a roundabout even if it doesn't comply with
the OSM semantics for one. Otherwise your satnav will tell you to turn
right at the j
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Colin Smale wrote:
> It would be nice if these "rond-points" would be explicitly tagged (e.g.
> junction=rond_point???) so mkgmap can still easily be taught to recognise it
> and treat it as a roundabout even if it doesn't comply with the OSM
> semantics for one.
In the UK, roundabouts do not necessarily give priority to traffic
already on the roundabout. Though this is the default, it's sometimes
overridden by road markings. For example, here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.35772&lon=0.509867&zoom=18.
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Is anyone familiar with the regulations governing the U.S. inland
waterways (such as the Mississippi River and the Intracoastal Waterway)?
From my brief look, it seems to be less "these barge configurations are
allowed" and more "you can go anywhere but don't crash". Is this
correct, or are the
On 5/16/2012 1:06 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
In either case, any idea what the suitable tags might look
like (other than the generic boat=yes ship=yes)?
I guess that depends on what you're trying to do... If you are trying
to tag the largest possible vessel that can navigate a waterway (under
"n
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