Re: [Tagging] Ultimate list of approved keys

2011-01-03 Thread Ralf Kleineisel
On 02.01.2011 22:40, Anthony wrote: > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Ralf Kleineisel wrote: >> I do not want someone telling me "this is not relevant enough" and >> having the right to delete my edits. > > Then make edits which are relevant enough By which and whose standards? Yours? Mine? ___

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi. I'm not very familiar with waterway tagging, but AFAIK these are tagged as riverbanks, too. Your proposal doesn't say anything about how to map sluice gates at these bigger rivers as it proposes the usage on nodes only. As sluice gates assumably will be more on bigger waterways, that seems

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 03.01.2011 02:59, schrieb Paul Norman: I've set up a proposal for sluice_gates, which are typically found on small waterways in agricultural areas at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sluice_gate What's the difference to waterway=weir? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/T

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:04:27 +0100 Ulf Lamping wrote: > Am 03.01.2011 02:59, schrieb Paul Norman: > > I've set up a proposal for sluice_gates, which are typically found > > on small waterways in agricultural areas at > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sluice_gate > > What's

Re: [Tagging] Ultimate list of approved keys

2011-01-03 Thread Petr Morávek [Xificurk]
Ralf Kleineisel napsal(a): > On 01/02/2011 05:42 PM, Robert Elsenaar wrote: > >> This was a expected answer. I frequently try to discover the reason OSM >> mappers accepting this anarchistic rule of NOT having tagging rules at all. >> What are the advantages for this? > > I prefer this over being

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 January 2011 20:04, Ulf Lamping wrote: > What's the difference to waterway=weir? A lot of weirs I've seen don't have any kind of gates, they just semi-dam a river to provide a water supply for nearby towns, the water freely flows over the top of the weir. ___

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:37:10 +1000 John Smith wrote: > On 3 January 2011 20:04, Ulf Lamping > wrote: > > What's the difference to waterway=weir? > > A lot of weirs I've seen don't have any kind of gates, they just > semi-dam a river to provide a water supply for nearby towns, the water > freely

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 January 2011 21:06, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > like this > http://museumvictoria.museum/collections/items/766657/negative-weir-bridge-across-the-murray-river-mildura-victoria-circa-1925 I doubt I've seen such a large weir in person, I was thinking more along the lines of this: http://static.pa

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-03 Thread robert
Google's measurement tool? Waar kan ik die vinden en hoe werkt deze? -Robert- Citeren j...@jfeldredge.com: Two feet wide is about what I had estimated by looking at the photograph, which is why I commented that the bicycle might fit into the bike lane, but part of the rider would have to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread yvecai
On 03. 01. 11 11:37, John Smith wrote: On 3 January 2011 20:04, Ulf Lamping wrote: What's the difference to waterway=weir? A lot of weirs I've seen don't have any kind of gates, they just semi-dam a river to provide a water supply for nearby towns, the water freely flows over the top of the we

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/3 Ulf Lamping : > Am 03.01.2011 02:59, schrieb Paul Norman: >> >> I've set up a proposal for sluice_gates, which are typically found on >> small >> waterways in agricultural areas at >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sluice_gate > > What's the difference to waterway=wei

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 January 2011 21:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > IMHO the difference is that a weir is used to control the water level > (and sometimes used to produce energy) while a sluice gate is used for > ships to navigate in rivers/canals with different levels (it is part > of "steps for ships"). Depe

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-03 Thread Michiel Faber
Op maandag 03-01-2011 om 12:39 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef rob...@elsenaar.info: > Google's measurement tool? > Waar kan ik die vinden en hoe werkt deze? > > -Robert- > - Get Google earth. - Run Google earth. - Press the measurement tool button. (in Dutch: liniaal). or - in the menu 'extra'.

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On 01/02/2011 10:41 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Paul Johnson > wrote: >> Not having a sense of depth, I'd guess in the narrow spot it's about 4 >> feet wide, which is, believe it or not, the federal minimum width for >> bike lanes (though I wish Ray would hurry up and ad

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-03 Thread Dave F.
On 03/01/2011 03:50, Paul Johnson wrote: On 01/01/2011 07:54 AM, Dave F. wrote: Is the adjacent path shared? if so, note that that would be the safer passage. Most states prohibit bicycles from sidewalks, or limit their speed to a walking speed on sidewalks, making them useless for bicyclists.

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-03 Thread Dave F.
On 03/01/2011 03:53, Paul Johnson wrote: On 01/01/2011 01:28 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Robert Elsenaar wrote: "hazard:bicycle" is the other way round. If there is a key/value e.g. "hazard=narrow" then you can easily use "cycleway:hazard=narrow" to tag the fac

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Dave F. wrote: > On 03/01/2011 03:50, Paul Johnson wrote: >> >> On 01/01/2011 07:54 AM, Dave F. wrote: >> >>> Is the adjacent path shared? if so, note that that would be the safer >>> passage. >> >> Most states prohibit bicycles from sidewalks, or limit their speed

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread Dave F.
On 03/01/2011 10:04, Ulf Lamping wrote: Am 03.01.2011 02:59, schrieb Paul Norman: I've set up a proposal for sluice_gates, which are typically found on small waterways in agricultural areas at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sluice_gate What's the difference to waterway=w

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:00:08 + "Dave F." wrote: > A weir is an immovable barrier to retain water level: > http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01789/Andy-Brown-bath_1789275i.jpg Even that isn't completely correct Weirs on the Murray and Murrumbidgee can be removed during flo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread Dave F.
On 03/01/2011 11:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/1/3 Ulf Lamping: Am 03.01.2011 02:59, schrieb Paul Norman: I've set up a proposal for sluice_gates, which are typically found on small waterways in agricultural areas at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sluice_gate What's

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-03 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:39 AM, wrote: > > Google's measurement tool? http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.078571,-82.56522&spn=0.000622,0.000912&t=h&z=20 Bottom left hand corner. Click the ruler. Click the start point. Click the end point. ___ Taggin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread Dave F.
On 03/01/2011 15:10, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:00:08 + "Dave F." wrote: A weir is an immovable barrier to retain water level: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01789/Andy-Brown-bath_1789275i.jpg Even that isn't completely correct Weirs on the Murray a

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-03 Thread Dave F.
On 03/01/2011 14:36, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Even if the sidewalk were officially designated as a shared path, that would not make it any safer. This could degenerate into a long winded argument, so to save us a lot of typing I'll say from the outset that we should agree to disagree. Cheers

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-03 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Even if the sidewalk were officially designated as a shared path, that > would not make it any safer. Yeah, the only way the sidewalk is a safer path would be if you slow down and yield to cars at every crosswalk. While you might arguably

Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts

2011-01-03 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/12/16 Steve Bennett : > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Richard Welty > wrote: >> it depends on what an attraction is. i'm not averse to using it, but in the >> US at least, an attraction is usually some place you park, maybe buy >> tickets, and go in a building, park, etc for a more exten

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Plant Nursery

2011-01-03 Thread Kenny Moens
Hello, Hereby I want to invite everyone to vote on the Plant Nursery proposal and its associated Plant tagging proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Plant_nursery http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Plant Kind regards, -- Kenny Moens ___

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Draft - Depot

2011-01-03 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/12/17 Pieren : > Yes and it would fine if we could continue in that way. Since landuses > shouldn't overlap where do you get this from? IMHO this is not defined in the wiki and looking at current "landuse values" like military or forest, sometimes they will have to overlap. To be clear: I

Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts

2011-01-03 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/3/11 10:53 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/12/16 Steve Bennett: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Richard Welty wrote: it depends on what an attraction is. i'm not averse to using it, but in the US at least, an attraction is usually some place you park, maybe buy tickets, and go in a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread yvecai
Let's take it on the opposite, we have devices to control water, sort of 'dams'. * Water can go above, under, trough, or between gates * Can be fixed, moving, removable * Can be nodes, ways, or polygons I'm no expert in english, but somebody here could end up with a set of english word that wou

Re: [Tagging] bridge=aqueduct mapped as polygon riverbank?

2011-01-03 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/12/19 Dave F. : > Hi > > Does anyone have an example of a bridge=aqueduct/yes that's been mapped as > polygon riverbank to give width to the waterway? I would say that riverbank is not the right tag for any kind of bridges. The wiki says for riverbanks: "This describes the tagging scheme for

Re: [Tagging] bridge=aqueduct mapped as polygon riverbank?

2011-01-03 Thread john
The English Wikipedia article on navigable aqueducts gives "water bridge" as an alternate English-language name for such structures. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] bridge=aqueduct mapped as polygon riverbank? >From :mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com Date :Mon Jan 03 11:44:11 Am

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Plant Nursery

2011-01-03 Thread Robert Elsenaar
After how many votes your proposal is approved? -Robert- -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Kenny Moens Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 5:13 PM To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Plant Nursery Hello, Hereby I want to invite everyo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Plant Nursery

2011-01-03 Thread Kenny Moens
Robert, I think best is to apply the common guidelines here? "A rule of thumb for "enough support" is /8 unanimous approval votes/ or /15 total votes with a majority approval/, but other factors may also be considered (such as whether a feature is already in use). " -- Source: http://wiki.ope

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread Paul Norman
They both have elements of flow control, but function in quite different ways and look very different. A weir is used to raise the water level or control flow, with water flowing over the top. A sluice gate is essentially a valve for small waterways. > -Original Message- > From: tagging-bo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread Paul Norman
All the sluice gates I've seen are on the scale of 1m in opening size. A quick google image search also seems to only turn up small gates. I suppose there could be some large gates out there, so the proposal might need to include ways or even areas. As for riverbanks, the ones I've seen are near

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread Richard Welty
floodgate would seem to be the general term for these sorts of things; sluice_gate would be a subtype: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floodgate i'm no expert, but the wikipedia article looks like a reasonable start. richard On 1/3/11 3:33 PM, Paul Norman wrote: All the sluice gates I've seen ar

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread Dave F.
On 03/01/2011 21:01, Richard Welty wrote: floodgate would seem to be the general term for these sorts of things; sluice_gate would be a subtype: I would say it's the other way around - flood prevention is one use of a sluice gate. As I pointed out, a sluice gate an be used for irrigation pur

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 03.01.2011 21:20, schrieb Paul Norman: They both have elements of flow control, but function in quite different ways and look very different. A weir is used to raise the water level or control flow, with water flowing over the top. A sluice gate is essentially a valve for small waterways. Yo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/3/11 4:16 PM, Dave F. wrote: On 03/01/2011 21:01, Richard Welty wrote: floodgate would seem to be the general term for these sorts of things; sluice_gate would be a subtype: I would say it's the other way around - flood prevention is one use of a sluice gate. As I pointed out, a sluice

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:33:18 -0800 "Paul Norman" wrote: > All the sluice gates I've seen are on the scale of 1m in opening > size. A quick google image search also seems to only turn up small > gates. I suppose there could be some large gates out there, so the > proposal might need to include ways

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:23:34 + "Dave F." wrote: > > Balranald Weir out of the water > > http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?photo_id=17253 > > Although it's hard to decipher what's happening in the second > photo' , I would describe the movable parts as sluice gates not weirs. When the floo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 18:28:06 +0100 yvecai wrote: > Let's take it on the opposite, we have devices to control water, sort > of 'dams'. > * Water can go above, under, through, or between gates > * Can be fixed, moving, removable > * Can be nodes, ways, or polygons > > I'm no expert in english, but

Re: [Tagging] Airport subtypes

2011-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >> A scan through the wikipedia gives me >> international airport >> domestic airport >> regional airport >> airstrip or airfield > > +1 > > Why not adopt the usual subtagging scheme: > > aeroway=aerodrome > aerodrome=international|region

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Anthony wrote: > Any suggestions how to tag this? > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:IMG_7491.JPG This raises an interesting philosophical question: Does OSM map what *we* consider to be a bike lane (or a park, or a service road, or a tertiary highway...) or

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-03 Thread Greg Troxel
Steve Bennett writes: > This raises an interesting philosophical question: Does OSM map what > *we* consider to be a bike lane (or a park, or a service road, or a > tertiary highway...) or what *someone else* says it is? The latter > path is sometimes simpler and gives more consistent, objective

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > To help sharpen this, I'll observe that the debate here has not been > about "is that a bike lane".  It's been about "do we want to be > complicit in calling it a bike lane (even though it clearly is intended > as one) because we don't think it'