Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

Richard Welty-2 wrote: > > i think the situation is that the information is already lost. > I dont't think so. Considering that 75% of the trees are from only 3 users, they could be quickly fixed. bye Nop -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/tagging-

Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

2010/9/7 NopMap : > I dont't think so. Considering that 75% of the trees are from only 3 users, > they could be quickly fixed. IMHO tagging ordinary trees as "non-significant _or_ not lone" (which is the wiki definition) is an absurdity. If we cannot agree on tagging special trees in a special wa

Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

On 7 September 2010 17:08, NopMap wrote: > I dont't think so. Considering that 75% of the trees are from only 3 users, > they could be quickly fixed. 372,969 * 75% / 3 = 93,242 per user would seem to indicate an import of some kind... ___ Tagging maili

[Tagging] power=tower or pole?

So obviously this is a tower: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Electric_transmission_lines.jpg and this is a pole (no matter what voltage it carries): http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pyl%C3%B4ne_haute_tension.JPG But what about something like this, where there are several poles with cr

Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

Hello, I don't see the problem why one could not tag every tree as "this is a tree" and additionally tag some of these as "this one is special, some kind of landmark or something". (We have some "Bildbäume" here that could be tagged additionally.) And the Garmins and others would probably only i

Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 2:55 PM, NopMap wrote: > > > That is not a solution. For 4 years people have done valid tagging, using > the definition in the wiki for significant trees. If you change the meaning, > no denotation=landmark will magically appear there, so the information gets > lost. As Ric

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

2010/9/7 Nathan Edgars II : > So obviously this is a tower: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Electric_transmission_lines.jpg +1 > and this is a pole (no matter what voltage it carries): > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pyl%C3%B4ne_haute_tension.JPG -1, poles are solid, the one y

[Tagging] Non proposed features

Hi, there were no more ideas till somebody mentioned, that the voting process cant be repaired. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-August/004023.html Can anybody tell me why it cant be repaired or how we should manage the Map feature list instead to avoid a tagging chaos? :)

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

Hi All, after two weeks without contradictions, I'll open up voting for the Craft proposal: Thank you for your vote. Peter ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://list

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:06 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/9/7 Nathan Edgars II : >> So obviously this is a tower: >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Electric_transmission_lines.jpg > > +1 > > >> and this is a pole (no matter what voltage it carries): >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/

Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

It seems reasonable to me that a node simply tagged as a tree, with no other information, could be single or not-single, a landmark or not a landmark. If the mapper wants to convey additional information about a particular tree, this should be done with additional tags. Incidentally, "urban tr

Re: [Tagging] Non proposed features

2010/9/7 Matthias Meißer > Hi, there were no more ideas till somebody mentioned, that the voting > process cant be repaired. > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-August/004023.html > > Can anybody tell me why it cant be repaired or how we should manage the Map > feature list in

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

At 2010-09-07 02:57, Nathan Edgars II wrote: So obviously this is a tower: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Electric_transmission_lines.jpg I use a key of tower_type with the following values to specify the type of tower when they are not one of the "normal" types (for which I could not

Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

Andreas Labres wrote: > > I don't see the problem why one could not tag every tree as "this is a > tree" and > additionally tag some of these as "this one is special, some kind of > landmark or > something". (We have some "Bildbäume" here that could be tagged > additionally.) > > And the Garmin

Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:11 AM, NopMap wrote: > Who's going to find, check and re-tag those 58000 trees? Where does the 58,000 number come from again? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

John F. Eldredge wrote: > > It seems reasonable to me that a node simply tagged as a tree, with no > other information, could be single or not-single, a landmark or not a > landmark. > Again. We are not freely discussing a model to implement in the future. We have a lot of work already done.

Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

Anthony-6 wrote: > > Where does the 58,000 number come from again? > If you scale up the result of the German analysis to the global numbers, you'd get about 59000 individial trees that are intended as landmark trees according to the wiki definition and would loose their meaning if the definit

Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:27 AM, NopMap wrote: > > > Anthony-6 wrote: >> >> Where does the 58,000 number come from again? >> > > If you scale up the result of the German analysis to the global numbers, > you'd get about 59000 individial trees that are intended as landmark trees > according to the

Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

2010/9/7 Anthony : > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:27 AM, NopMap wrote: >> >> >> Anthony-6 wrote: >>> >>> Where does the 58,000 number come from again? >>> >> >> If you scale up the result of the German analysis to the global numbers, >> you'd get about 59000 individial trees that are intended as land

Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

I have an additional analysis task: We know how much trees are tagged with, and how much are tagged without additional tag, but: 1) How much users added trees with additional tags? 2) How much users added trees with additional tags and trees without? 3) How much users added trees without addit

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

I already voted yes, but actually agricultural_engines doesn't correspond to Landmaschinen, it might be agricultural_machinery, see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_machinery (but this article actually looks like it was created by a German, maybe someone else can help us). The point

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

craft=fashion should be fashion_designer to correpond to the translation, but still this is not a craft. I would put it in office. jeweler is AE ,use jeweller (BE) craft=photo is too generic, there is not explanation given (just questionmarks), and it isn't a craft IMHO. instead of staging I'd u

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

2010/9/7 Nathan Edgars II : >>> Or this, where a single pole is made of metal with diagonals: >>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stork_nest_on_power_mast.jpg >> >> nice pictures, but I can't see any pole in it. > > The thing in the middle is a pole. Again, it's only not a "pure" pole > bec

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

2010/9/7 Alan Mintz : ... elaborated tagging, I'd like to see this in the wiki. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

On 07/09/2010 16:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: I already voted yes, but actually agricultural_engines doesn't correspond to Landmaschinen, it might be agricultural_machinery, see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_machinery (but this article actually looks like it was created by a

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

On 8 September 2010 02:01, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > craft=fashion should be fashion_designer to correpond to the > translation, but still this is not a craft. I would put it in office. or shop... I'd also consider things like hairdresser to be in shop, even though it might be seen as a craft

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

On 8 September 2010 02:27, SomeoneElse wrote: > In English Engish "Agricultural Machinery" or "Agricultural Equipment" could > describe both powered and non-powered farm machinery. "Agricultural Engine" > historically might have referred to either a fixed or mobile steam engine > for farm use (not

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

2010/9/7 John Smith : > > craft=mechanic > mechanic=[agriculture|marine|automotive] +1, I also thought about this. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

I guess I'm a little confused by the description "A place producing or processing customised goods" as it doesn't seem to fit some of these occupations, especially what I'd think of as the "building trades": HVAC, electrician, carpentry, carpet, roofing, plaster, plumber, etc. At least in the US,

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:06 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> 2010/9/7 Nathan Edgars II : >>> and this is a pole (no matter what voltage it carries): >>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pyl%C3%B4ne_haute_tension.JPG >> >> -1, pole

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

2010/9/7 Nathan Edgars II : > As an example, I drove past two nearby poles today that carry two > lines, one 69 kV (the step between intercity lines and lines on every > street) and one below at a lower voltage. One was solid reinforced > concrete; the other was (presumably) hollow metal. Otherwise

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Alan Mintz wrote: > tower_type=a_frame : > http://sites.google.com/site/am909geo/osm-1/power_a_frame.jpg Usually seen > as the input and output interfaces of a substation. The example shows two of > them at right angles to each other. They are made of two identical

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I agree that the differentiation tower/pole is flawed (I already wrote > this above). In that case we need to come up with a better one. Obviously there is a difference between the huge "towers" and the small "poles". Something with dia

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

Am 07.09.2010 18:01, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: craft=fashion should be fashion_designer to correpond to the translation, but still this is not a craft. I would put it in office. I don't think so, but I'd be happy to discuss the pros and cons. I see a fashion_designer as somebody who is cre

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

Am 07.09.2010 18:27, schrieb John Smith: I'd also consider things like hairdresser to be in shop, even though it might be seen as a craft, I'd too regard craft=hairdresser as an uncommon combination. Any votes against removing craft=hairdresser from the list of common values? > same with handi

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

Am 07.09.2010 18:31, schrieb John Smith: craft=mechanic mechanic=[agriculture|marine|automotive] If craft=mechanic includes building custom machineries, then I'd like with this idea, otherwise i like "Agricultural Equipment" best. Same for craft=carpentry carpentry = [formwork|cabinetry|f

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

Am 07.09.2010 18:54, schrieb Brad Neuhauser: I guess I'm a little confused by the description "A place producing or processing customised goods" as it doesn't seem to fit some of these occupations, especially what I'd think of as the "building trades": HVAC, electrician, carpentry, carpet, roof

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

On 9/7/10 3:07 PM, Peter Körner wrote: Am 07.09.2010 18:31, schrieb John Smith: craft=mechanic mechanic=[agriculture|marine|automotive] If craft=mechanic includes building custom machineries, then I'd like with this idea, otherwise i like "Agricultural Equipment" best. mechanic=machinis

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

On 8 September 2010 05:03, Peter Körner wrote: > I don't see a locksmith as a shop, even if it's usually called like that. In > german it's called dienst (service) so it should maybe be office=locksmith > but that doesn't match it either. Most locksmith's here either have a stall type setup in sh

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

2010/9/7 Peter Körner : > Am 07.09.2010 18:01, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: >> >> craft=fashion should be fashion_designer to correpond to the >> translation, but still this is not a craft. I would put it in office. > > I don't think so, but I'd be happy to discuss the pros and cons. > > I see a fa

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

2010/9/7 Peter Körner : > Am 07.09.2010 18:27, schrieb John Smith: >> >> I'd also consider things like hairdresser to be in shop, even though >> it might be seen as a craft, > > I'd too regard craft=hairdresser as an uncommon combination. Any votes > against removing craft=hairdresser from the list

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

2010/9/7 John Smith : > How many lock smiths actually make something? The ones here sell and > install alarm/security systems, cut keys etc... They don't make their > own locks... probably that would be better shop=alarm_systems? or burglar_alarm? > > I think you'll find most stuff is made els

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

On 8 September 2010 06:07, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/9/7 John Smith : > >> How many lock smiths actually make something? The ones here sell and >> install alarm/security systems, cut keys etc... They don't make their >> own locks... > > > probably that would be better shop=alarm_systems? o

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

At 2010-09-07 10:27, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Alan Mintz wrote: > tower_type=a_frame : > http://sites.google.com/site/am909geo/osm-1/power_a_frame.jpg Usually seen > as the input and output interfaces of a substation. The example shows two of > them at right ang

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

Am 07.09.2010 21:43, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: IMHO that's a taylor. A fashion designer is designing clothes that then get produced in the textile industry. I removed craft=fashion from the list craft=photo is too generic, there is not explanation given (just questionmarks), and it isn't a

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

> > no, this is definitely not a pole. Poles have to be solid cylinders, > but you might be right that they can be hollow, not sure about the > latter. > A power pole made of concrete (as used in new south wales, australia, is hollow. It's a material used and construction thing - just like bones

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

> > > Am 07.09.2010 18:01, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: >> craft=fashion should be fashion_designer to correpond to the >> translation, but still this is not a craft. I would put it in office. > I don't think so, but I'd be happy to discuss the pros and cons. > > I see a fashion_designer as someb

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

> > I'm not happy that these questions did't came up during RFC stage but > now during the voting stage. Does anybody think this is a problem for > the validity of the votes? > > Peter > No votes are valid, so the validity of current votes is unaffected.

Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

At 2010-09-05 18:22, Serge Wroclawski wrote: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 8:08 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > In practice, it seems unlikely that any one will try to tag every tree in a forest It's entirely possible to map every tree in a city. Someone else mentioned Girona, I'll mention that Washin

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

Am 07.09.2010 23:11, schrieb ed...@billiau.net: Craft isn't a good English word for the key. If you hide all keys behind editing software it won't matter. That's the problem when a German native speaker needs to go through an English tagging/proposal process, but atm. there's no other way for

Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments

At 2010-09-04 09:12, Erik Johansson wrote: I would like to tag areas with apartment buildings, and small houses for a single family differently, at the moment I tag all of them with landuse=residential. I need good terminology in english to tag them. I've taken a slightly different approach.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter

I tried to collect the feedback by topic and I posted my thoughts here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Homeless_Shelter Let me know if I missed anything. Did this format work? The big takeaway

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

2010/9/7 : > >> >> no, this is definitely not a pole. Poles have to be solid cylinders, >> but you might be right that they can be hollow, not sure about the >> latter. >> > > A power pole made of concrete (as used in new south wales, australia, is > hollow. > It's a material used and construction

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter

2010/9/8 Sean Horgan : > something similarly named).  How can I get hold of the user kerosin? http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/kerosin cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

2010/9/7 : > This discussion is because 'craft' is not the best English word. there is a WIkipedia-article that is translated in German into "Handwerk": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_%28occupation%29 but you can already see by the content and length of the article that it is probably a st

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter

That was easy; just left a message. -- Sean On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 16:02, Sean Horgan wrote: > Dear mappers, > > I scoured the well-written wiki pages for a similar feature but couldn't > find one so here is a proposal for a Homeless Shelter: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_feat

Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments

2010/9/8 Alan Mintz : > At 2010-09-04 09:12, Erik Johansson wrote: > I've taken a slightly different approach. I use landuse=residential to > outline the entire related area. I then add that way to a relation with > role=boundary. I add the various buildings, roads leading to and within, > swimmin

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

Locksmiths who repair shoes? I hadn't heard of that combination before. Wouldn't that be tagged separately as a locksmith and a shoe repair shop, instead of simply tagging it as a locksmith? ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft >From

Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments

At 2010-09-07 17:51, =?UTF-8?Q?M=E2=88=A1rtin_Koppenhoefer?= wrote: 2010/9/8 Alan Mintz : > At 2010-09-04 09:12, Erik Johansson wrote: > I've taken a slightly different approach. I use landuse=residential to > outline the entire related area. I then add that way to a relation with > role=boundar

Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments

Other arrangements are common as well, such as duplexes (buildings holding two households); the same property owner owns both halves of the building, and the land underneath both; he or she may live in one half and rent out the other half, or may rent out both halves. ---Original Email-

Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments

At 2010-09-07 20:28, John F. Eldredge wrote: Other arrangements are common as well, such as duplexes (buildings holding two households); the same property owner owns both halves of the building, and the land underneath both; he or she may live in one half and rent out the other half, or may ren

Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments

housing:house/apartment/condominium/mobile_home/public_housing/shanty/fractional/timeshare here in mexico, many properties have 'shanty' structures that are permanent, albeit cheap/easily dismantled, they are permanent dwellings none the less. fractionals are usually in ,multi-level/unit structu

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

On 8 September 2010 12:15, John F. Eldredge wrote: > Locksmiths who repair shoes? I hadn't heard of that combination before. > Wouldn't that be tagged separately as a locksmith and a shoe repair shop, > instead of simply tagging it as a locksmith? They also sell key chains and some do binocul

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

I've never seen a locksmith shoe repair store either :-) On Sep 7, 2010, at 10:06 PM, John Smith wrote: > On 8 September 2010 12:15, John F. Eldredge wrote: >> Locksmiths who repair shoes? I hadn't heard of that combination before. >> Wouldn't that be tagged separately as a locksmith and a sh

Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments

The problem with mixing ownership terms with building structure terms is that you can't generally distinguish ownership by appearance, short of there being signs stating the fact, or making inquiries. I have heard of cases where some units in a multi-household structure would be owned by the re

Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments

On Wed, 8 September, 2010 1:47:22 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > The problem with mixing ownership terms with building structure terms is that >you can't generally distinguish ownership by appearance, short of there being >signs stating the fact, or making inquiries. I have heard of cases wher

Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments

On Sep 7, 2010, at 10:17 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > The problem with mixing ownership terms with building structure terms is that > you can't generally distinguish ownership by appearance, short of there being > signs stating the fact, or making inquiries. I have heard of cases where > som