Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-07-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/1 John Smith : > Not that I'm advocating this at all, and not that english names can't > be used in the same manner for the purposes of translations, but there > is several ways you could do this and have numbers that didn't > conflict, for example you could use UUIDs, you could do a hierarc

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-07-01 Thread John Smith
On 1 July 2010 18:23, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > nobody will ever need more than 640 kB of RAM ;-) I assume you are talking about how Yahoo generates WOEs, but I'd love to see anyone that can exceed the capacity of UUIDs :) > sure, there could be ways, but actually I don't see the benefit. I

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-07-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/1 John Smith : >> we already do this with presets, and I don't like the concept either >> ;-), I'm using the english JOSM version because of this. Part of the >> "problem" in this thread derives exactly from this (soccer vs >> football). > > You disagree with the translation someone else mad

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-07-01 Thread John Smith
On 1 July 2010 19:08, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > no, I don't generally disagree with the translations, the thing is: > (almost) every tag (at least of the ones in the presets) is documented > in the wiki in English, many of these definitions are not translated > into other languages. As long as

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-07-01 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/7/1 John Smith : > On 1 July 2010 19:08, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> no, I don't generally disagree with the translations, the thing is: >> (almost) every tag (at least of the ones in the presets) is documented >> in the wiki in English, many of these definitions are not translated >> into

Re: [Tagging] sport=rugby

2010-07-01 Thread Liz
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Steve Bennett wrote: > What context are you thinking of? Forgive my ignorance, but if tagging > leisure=pitch, don't the two codes use the same pitch? in rural au - no each code has its own grounds whether owned by a club or the council. perhaps in the cities where space is more

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-07-01 Thread John F. Eldredge
In fact, the technique of having the user select from a list of words, but actually storing the value as an arbitrary ID (generally numeric), is the recommended technique in database design. It is called "normalizing the database". Having the linking value be an ID value means that, should you

[Tagging] indirect id's Re: football or soccer ?

2010-07-01 Thread Bill Ricker
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:08 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > In fact, the technique of having the user select from a list of words, but > actually storing the value as an arbitrary ID (generally numeric), is the > recommended technique in database design. It is called "normalizing the > database".

Re: [Tagging] indirect id's Re: football or soccer ?

2010-07-01 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/7/1 Bill Ricker : > On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:08 AM, John F. Eldredge > wrote: >> >> In fact, the technique of having the user select from a list of words, but >> actually storing the value as an arbitrary ID (generally numeric), is the >> recommended technique in database design.  It is calle

Re: [Tagging] indirect id's Re: football or soccer ?

2010-07-01 Thread John Smith
On 1 July 2010 22:29, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: > Let's better clean up and "normalize" tags, improving schemas and relations. +1 Lets not confuse tag normalisation with translations/indexing. If the current translation of keys/values isn't sufficient then lets improve it, but not at the cost of

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-07-01 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:23 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sure, there could be ways, but actually I don't see the benefit. I > think it's cool that most tags are understandable directly in the xml > without the need for any translation tables. The benefit is precisely the removal of the thing

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-07-01 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:08 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > In fact, the technique of having the user select from a list of words, but > actually storing the value as an arbitrary ID (generally numeric), is the > recommended technique in database design. It is called "normalizing the > database". >

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-07-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/1 Anthony : > The benefit is precisely the removal of the thing you find cool.  People > won't think they understand a key/value simply because they see the name of > the tag. I see your point and it is valid sometimes, but often it is not. E.g. amenity=post_box or oneway=yes. Or landuse

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-07-01 Thread John Smith
On 2 July 2010 02:01, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Most of our tags are not disputed. If it's a safe assumption that most tags are not disputed, do we turn disputed tags into numbers? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.open

Re: [Tagging] [education] tag insttitute

2010-07-01 Thread pavithran
On 15 June 2010 07:09, John Smith > In fact I'd be tempted to call them a specialised college's and > sub-tag from there. In India colleges are mostly (99 %) bound by academic regulation from higher education boards/ universities . Guessing it would be the same elsewhere . While I am looking for

Re: [Tagging] Motorcycle repair

2010-07-01 Thread pavithran
2010/6/3 y...@o2.pl : > Well maybe something like shop=vehicle_repair + repair:car=yes/no + > repair:motorcycle/bicycle/etc=yes/no? > I think that part of them repair many kind of vehicles. Maybe some do . But in India they tend to be different . If there is an idea of combining motorcycle and ca

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-07-01 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 12:01 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/7/1 Anthony : > > > The benefit is precisely the removal of the thing you find cool. People > > won't think they understand a key/value simply because they see the name > of > > the tag. > > I see your point and it is valid somet

Re: [Tagging] Motorcycle repair

2010-07-01 Thread John Smith
On 2 July 2010 02:33, pavithran wrote: > If there is an idea of combining motorcycle and car tags then > amenity=bicycle_parking can be changed ? > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dbicycle_parking > > Or are they better kept separate ? I'm so tempted to say this should just be an

[Tagging] Is power=generator like landuse=* or building=yes?

2010-07-01 Thread Phil! Gold
When people use power=generator, which is more common: tagging just the building where the generator is housed, or tagging the entire facility (including coal pile, gas tanks, offices, rail yard, etc.)? Whichever one you do, how do you mark the other one, if at all? -- ...computer contrarian of

Re: [Tagging] Is power=generator like landuse=* or building=yes?

2010-07-01 Thread Cartinus
On Thursday 01 July 2010 20:52:58 Phil! Gold wrote: > When people use power=generator, which is more common: tagging just the > building where the generator is housed, or tagging the entire facility > (including coal pile, gas tanks, offices, rail yard, etc.)? Whichever one > you do, how do you ma

Re: [Tagging] [education] tag insttitute

2010-07-01 Thread Liz
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, pavithran wrote: > On 15 June 2010 07:09, John Smith > > > In fact I'd be tempted to call them a specialised college's and > > sub-tag from there. > > In India colleges are mostly (99 %) bound by academic regulation from > higher education boards/ universities . Guessing it w

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-07-01 Thread Stephen Hope
On 1 July 2010 22:08, John F. Eldredge wrote: > In fact, the technique of having the user select from a list of words, but > actually storing the value as an arbitrary ID (generally numeric), is the > recommended technique in database design.  It is called "normalizing the > database".  Having