[Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread pavithran
Hi, I was very much surprised that a football ( the ball kicked by foot) which I tagged has shown a different ball in osmarendering . It is showing a ball used by american football . Some of the IRC discussion I had said that its 'ambiguous' though I don't agree to the ambiguous property because

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread Liz
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010, pavithran wrote: > Hi, > I was very much surprised that a football ( the ball kicked by foot) > which I tagged has shown a different ball in osmarendering . It is > showing a ball used by american football . > > Some of the IRC discussion I had said that its 'ambiguous' thoug

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 1:33 PM, pavithran wrote: > As a worldwide project which name should we prefer ? > > "soccer" in US and Canada and "football" everywhere else. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/27 Pieren : > On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 1:33 PM, pavithran wrote: >> >> As a worldwide project which name should we prefer ? >> > > "soccer" in US and Canada and "football" everywhere else. -1, AFAIK we use soccer in Germany, Italy and probably elsewhere, while football refers to american f

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 27/06/2010 14:25, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer a écrit : "soccer" in US and Canada and "football" everywhere else. -1, AFAIK we use soccer in Germany, Italy and probably elsewhere, while football refers to american football (looking at the icons, preset icons, etc.). Cheers, Martin I thoug

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 2:25 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > -1, AFAIK we use soccer in Germany, Italy and probably elsewhere, > while football refers to american football (looking at the icons, > preset icons, etc.). > > - -1 AFAIK we tag what people see and use daily. As Richard F. said, wh

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread Greg Troxel
Pieren writes: > On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 2:25 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> >> -1, AFAIK we use soccer in Germany, Italy and probably elsewhere, >> while football refers to american football (looking at the icons, >> preset icons, etc.). >> >> > - -1 > > AFAIK we tag what people see and

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > OSM is mostly en_GB, +1 > so it seems obvious that football should mean soccer. > > !! really ?! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_football#Etymology Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Ta

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread Richard Mann
If you say "football" in en-GB then you mean the game run by the Football Association in England, and by FIFA internationally. If you say "Rugby", you mean whichever of the two codes is dominant in your part of the country / social circle (and probably Rugby Union by default). At least the ball's t

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread Andre Engels
In my opinion, football being multi-interpretable, the name should not be used for either. sport=soccer is 100% clear, sport=american_football also is. sport=football can be different things, and therefore is to be avoided except if for whatever reason you know something is used for some kind of fo

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread Richard Mann
In Europe soccer is winning by a factor of about 12:1, but the 2700 "football"s had probably better be interpreted as soccer in the absence of other evidence. Richard On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Andre Engels wrote: > In my opinion, football being multi-interpretable, the name should not > b

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/27 Richard Mann : > In Europe soccer is winning by a factor of about 12:1, but the 2700 > "football"s had probably better be interpreted as soccer in the > absence of other evidence. -1, you can interpret what you like, but please don't change the tags if you don't know the place. There is

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/27 Andre Engels : > In my opinion, football being multi-interpretable, the name should not > be used for either. sport=soccer is 100% clear, > sport=american_football also is. sport=football can be different > things, and therefore is to be avoided except if for whatever reason > you know so

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 8:04 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > By looking at all of these it should > become obvious that soccer is the preferred tag (also by numbers where > soccer is used more than 10 times as often as football). > > Expecting that american football dedicated pitches are quite r

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread Jason Cunningham
Yes, the wiki needs to be changed to tell people not to use the insulting word 'soccer', especially as we try to use British English to stop tags getting confusing. Just using sport=football would be confusing, so I prefer sport=association_football I would also guess that using the insulting term

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread John F. Eldredge
Why would the term "soccer" be considered an insult? According to the Wikipedia article referenced earlier in the thread, the British were the ones who coined the term "soccer", as a contraction of "association football", the original name of the sport. The name "football" was already in use a

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 June 2010 10:48, John F. Eldredge wrote: > "rugby", or "Australian_football", and avoid the use of Rugby is ambiguous as well, which can mean either rugby union or rugby league... As Liz wrote early on both of which are also referred to as football :) _

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Tsunami warning siren?

2010-06-27 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-06-27 00:24, Alan Mintz wrote: Is the device near the upper right of this pic: http://sites.google.com/site/am909geo/osm-1/TsunamiAlert.jpg a tsunami warning siren? I've seen a number of similar devices in coastal areas. This particular one is at 33.4993, -117.67656. Consensus is that

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Tsunami warning siren?

2010-06-27 Thread John Smith
emergency=siren ? I'm sure this sort of thing deserves it's own category. On 6/28/10, Alan Mintz wrote: > At 2010-06-27 00:24, Alan Mintz wrote: >>Is the device near the upper right of this pic: >>http://sites.google.com/site/am909geo/osm-1/TsunamiAlert.jpg a tsunami >>warning siren? I've seen a

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread Stephen Hope
On 28 June 2010 10:26, Jason Cunningham wrote: > Yes, the wiki needs to be changed to tell people not to use the insulting > word 'soccer', especially as we try to use British English to stop tags > getting confusing. > Just using sport=football would be confusing, so I prefer > sport=association_

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Liz wrote: > Where I live there are FOUR games played all called "football". > Only one really uses the feet on the ball http://www.saasta.fi/saasta/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/handegg.jpg cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/football-or-soccer-tp52275