[Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread Katie Filbert
I'm interested in feedback on how to tag particular chain restaurants/places. I have a copy of the OSM planet database and see inconsistencies in how these places are tagged. * Baskin Robbins (fast food?) * Chipotle Mexican Grill (fast food or restaurant?) * COSI (restaurant or cafe?) * Five Guy

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 May 2010 19:39, Katie Filbert wrote: > To guide the fast food or restaurant question, I consider whether food is > paid for prior to eating (e.g. at a counter) and whether or not disposable > plates, utensils, etc. are used. This is often consistent with criteria > used in classifying places

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread Liz
On Mon, 3 May 2010, John Smith wrote: > On 3 May 2010 19:39, Katie Filbert wrote: > > To guide the fast food or restaurant question, I consider whether food is > > paid for prior to eating (e.g. at a counter) and whether or not > > disposable plates, utensils, etc. are used. This is often consist

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread Katie Filbert
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:49 AM, John Smith wrote: > On 3 May 2010 19:39, Katie Filbert wrote: > > To guide the fast food or restaurant question, I consider whether food is > > paid for prior to eating (e.g. at a counter) and whether or not > disposable > > plates, utensils, etc. are used. This i

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 May 2010 20:30, Katie Filbert wrote: > True... I think use of disposable plates, cups, utensils is more common in > the US. Whether or not the place has table service might be a better > consideration. What criteria do you use to decide? Why does it need to be a unifying criteria? Provid

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread Katie Filbert
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 6:41 AM, John Smith wrote: > On 3 May 2010 20:30, Katie Filbert wrote: > > True... I think use of disposable plates, cups, utensils is more common > in > > the US. Whether or not the place has table service might be a better > > consideration. What criteria do you use to

[Tagging] Motorcycle shop

2010-05-03 Thread pavithran
A shop where you can buy motorbikes or motorcycles. I noticed that this tag was not getting rendered in mapnik while I was able to add it via mapzen POI collector . I have made some changes to the wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle Kindly tell me the steps to see

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 May 2010 21:07, Katie Filbert wrote: > So it's okay for, say all the Burger Kings, to be inconsistently tagged... > some as amenity=fast_food, some as amenity=restaurant? As I said, the majority of criteria will be similar, however there will be differences in what people think of as fast fo

Re: [Tagging] Motorcycle shop

2010-05-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 May 2010 21:13, pavithran wrote: > Kindly tell me the steps to see an icon on the map(default) for this tag ? You go to http://trac.openstreetmap.org and file a request for an enhancement... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http:

Re: [Tagging] Motorcycle shop

2010-05-03 Thread pavithran
On 3 May 2010 17:06, John Smith wrote: > You go to http://trac.openstreetmap.org and file a request for an > enhancement... Done ! http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2927 Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri http://look-pavi.blogspot.com __

[Tagging] City Walls and multipolygons in Osmarender

2010-05-03 Thread Seventy 7
I have been finishing off some of the city walls in York around here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.96193&lon=-1.08694&zoom=17&layers=B000FTF The existing walls have been tagged historic=citywalls which render as a thick grey line in Mapnik and don't render at all in Osmarender. This is a

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread Greg Troxel
Katie Filbert writes: > * Baskin Robbins (fast food?) This is the missing ice cream shop I think. But if they serve other food, it's made to order, and they have table service - restaurant. > * Fuddruckers (restaurant or fast food?) tough call > * Panera Bread (restaurant or cafe?) cafe -

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 3 May 2010, at 5:18 , Greg Troxel wrote: > > Katie Filbert writes: > >> * Baskin Robbins (fast food?) > > This is the missing ice cream shop I think. But if they serve other > food, it's made to order, and they have table service - restaurant. > >> * Fuddruckers (restaurant or fast food?

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/3 John Smith : > Why does it need to be a unifying criteria? > > Provide the tags, people will come up with their own criteria based on > their own cultural background, while they will be similar, there will > be subtle differences. +1 cheers, Martin _

Re: [Tagging] City Walls and multipolygons in Osmarender

2010-05-03 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Seventy 7 wrote: > I have been finishing off some of the city walls in York around here: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.96193&lon=-1.08694&zoom=17&layers=B000FTF > > The existing walls have been tagged historic=citywalls which render as a > thick grey lin

Re: [Tagging] City Walls and multipolygons in Osmarender

2010-05-03 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/3 Seventy 7 : > The existing walls have been tagged historic=citywalls which render as a > thick grey line in Mapnik and don't render at all in Osmarender. This is an > undocumented tag as far as I can tell. thanks for this, I was mapping city-walls in Rome and the thin grey line for the

Re: [Tagging] City Walls and multipolygons in Osmarender

2010-05-03 Thread Zeke Farwell
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:08 AM, Seventy 7 wrote: > > I have also tried mapping the Museum Gardens using single ways and > multipolygons just to see how well this style of mapping actually works. So > where there is a fence or a wall I've used these as the boundaries and not > created a separate a

Re: [Tagging] City Walls and multipolygons in Osmarender

2010-05-03 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/3 Seventy 7 : > The existing walls have been tagged historic=citywalls which render as a > thick grey line in Mapnik and don't render at all in Osmarender. This is an > undocumented tag as far as I can tell. > > The documented (and therefore correct?) tag is barrier=city_wall, which > ren

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-05-03 Thread Adrien Pavie
I cleaned a little the wiki page and removed somes parts like "yes/no vs true false". I add a possible icon for the rendering, it's a rapid drawing. If you have some ideas you can add it ;) Adrien ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org h

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread Liz
On Mon, 3 May 2010, Greg Troxel wrote: > cafe - food is made to order, and while fast, it's real food. > > Basically my rules are: > snip so how would you classify the shop which sells magnificent hamburgers, ordered at the counter, cooked to order, no table service? but its also a newsagent

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Katie Filbert wrote: > I'm interested in feedback on how to tag particular chain > restaurants/places.  I have a copy of the OSM planet database and see > inconsistencies  in how these places are tagged. Pretty much by definition all these tags will have grey areas

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] plea for bot quality control

2010-05-03 Thread Steve Bennett
> While it is certainly possible to provide such a file and certainly > possible for editors to support it, I am 99% sure that no sane editor > will limit itself to tags that have gone through one approval process or > the other. I think having a properly managed repository of tags, integrated wit

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread Greg Troxel
Liz writes: > On Mon, 3 May 2010, Greg Troxel wrote: >> cafe - food is made to order, and while fast, it's real food. >> >> Basically my rules are: >> > snip > > so how would you classify the shop which sells magnificent hamburgers, > ordered at the counter, cooked to order, no table service?

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > That's what I meant about the slippery slope to a full ontology.  The real > bug in OSM's tagging scheme is that it is structured like IMHO, the real issue is that OSM is a map, and rating food is not map like. At its tidiest OSM would merely

Re: [Tagging] A shop selling fish and seafood

2010-05-03 Thread Alan Mintz
So, we have some objection to shop=fishmonger, and more support for shop=fish and shop=seafood. Do we vote on it or what? User http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Claudius%20Henrichs";>Claudius Henrichs even went ahead and changed some existing nodes with shop=seafood to shop=fishmonger. -- Alan

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 May 2010 12:08, Steve Bennett wrote: > IMHO, the real issue is that OSM is a map, and rating food is not map > like. At its tidiest OSM would merely store the address corresponding Alternatively you could have just said it was a subjective method of tagging that the next person to come along

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 1:38 PM, John Smith wrote: > On 4 May 2010 12:08, Steve Bennett wrote: >> IMHO, the real issue is that OSM is a map, and rating food is not map >> like. At its tidiest OSM would merely store the address corresponding > > Alternatively you could have just said it was a subje

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:41 PM, John Smith wrote: > > Why does it need to be a unifying criteria? > > Provide the tags, people will come up with their own criteria based on > their own cultural background, while they will be similar, there will > be subtle differences. I think we can avoid having

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 May 2010 14:24, Roy Wallace wrote: > I think we can avoid having multiple meanings for identical tags in > the OSM database. (though I realise you disagree, John). I'm not disagreeing with the intent of Katie, I just don't think it's possible to lump all fast food places everywhere into a ni