Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-19 Thread Petr Morávek [Xificurk]
Liz napsal(a): > On Sat, 15 May 2010, Petr Morávek [Xificurk] wrote: >> and the last, >> most puzzling is landuse=basin "An area of water that drains into a >> river."... >> > wow, there are some pretty huge ones of those > like the Amazon basin > the Lake Eyre basin > the Mississipi basin > the f

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/17 Pieren : > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jonas Minnberg wrote: >> >> I'm kind of considering if this is right or not - if a road is the divider >> between two landuses, is it still best to unglue it from the landuse(s) and >> move it into one or the other? >> > > It's best to unglue b

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/16 Zeke Farwell : > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:29 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> >> IMHO yes, as natural is mainly about landcover (what you physically >> encounter on the spot) while landuse is about usage. > > If you want do some extremely detailed mapping you might make a lot of > d

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-17 Thread Jonas Minnberg
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Pieren wrote: > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jonas Minnberg wrote: > >> >> I'm kind of considering if this is right or not - if a road is the divider >> between two landuses, is it still best to unglue it from the landuse(s) and >> move it into one or the oth

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-17 Thread Seventy 7
Personally I'm starting to use multipolygons more and more - define a "boundary" once and reuse is as many times as needed by the landuses either side. Steve - Original Message - From: Pieren To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" Subject: Re:

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-17 Thread Pieren
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jonas Minnberg wrote: > > I'm kind of considering if this is right or not - if a road is the divider > between two landuses, is it still best to unglue it from the landuse(s) and > move it into one or the other? > > It's best to unglue but it's also not wrong to g

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-17 Thread Jonas Minnberg
> > > * Unglue roads that share borders with landuses and move them into the > "correct" one (a residential road into the residential area etc). > > I'm kind of considering if this is right or not - if a road is the divider between two landuses, is it still best to unglue it from the landuse(s) and

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-16 Thread John F. Eldredge
think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Cartinus Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 18:21:53 To: Subject: Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment On Sunday 16 May 2010 18:11:47 Anthony wrote: > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > > On Su

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-16 Thread Cartinus
On Sunday 16 May 2010 18:11:47 Anthony wrote: > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Jonas Minnberg wrote: > > > Also, is it OK that natural overlaps landuse? It kind of has to be, > > > since it's used a lot to place brushes or tree-areas i

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-16 Thread Anthony
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Jonas Minnberg wrote: > > > Also, is it OK that natural overlaps landuse? It kind of has to be, since > > it's used a lot to place brushes or tree-areas inside larger landuses. > > Sure. If a forest crosse

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Jonas Minnberg wrote: > Also, is it OK that natural overlaps landuse? It kind of has to be, since > it's used a lot to place brushes or tree-areas inside larger landuses. Sure. If a forest crosses a fenceline, then it overlaps. I did something like that here: ht

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-16 Thread Zeke Farwell
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:29 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > IMHO yes, as natural is mainly about landcover (what you physically > encounter on the spot) while landuse is about usage. > If you want do some extremely detailed mapping you might make a lot of different no

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/16 Jonas Minnberg : > Also, is it OK that natural overlaps landuse? It kind of has to be, since > it's used a lot to place brushes or tree-areas inside larger landuses. IMHO yes, as natural is mainly about landcover (what you physically encounter on the spot) while landuse is about usage.

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-16 Thread Jonas Minnberg
So the common problem I have here in Stockholm is that most residential areas in the suburbs have been "carved" out of wood- and grass-areas so there is always a mish-mash between those three. Is the correct way to split up all those landuses in smaller parts so they never overlap? Also, is it OK

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-15 Thread Liz
On Sat, 15 May 2010, Petr Morávek [Xificurk] wrote: > and the last, > most puzzling is landuse=basin "An area of water that drains into a > river."... > wow, there are some pretty huge ones of those like the Amazon basin the Lake Eyre basin the Mississipi basin the fill_in_any_large_river basin s

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-15 Thread Petr Morávek [Xificurk]
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer napsal(a): > On the other hand: I would like to see this mess tidyed up. In this > case I suggest to first change (extend) render rules and then > encourage people to change tagging. This is all because of tagging for > the renderers: because it is sad to tag "correct" and you d

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-14 Thread S.Higashi
2010/5/15, John Smith : > On 15 May 2010 06:27, Jonas Minnberg wrote: >>> >> Oh and I forgot: >>> >> * landuse=grass overlapping landuse=wood, grass set as layer=-1 >>> > >>> > Are you mixing up landuse and land cover by any chance? >>> >>> >>> you're insisting on this one? Yes, you are right: in

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-14 Thread John Smith
On 15 May 2010 06:27, Jonas Minnberg wrote: >> >> Oh and I forgot: >> >> * landuse=grass overlapping landuse=wood, grass set as layer=-1 >> > >> > Are you mixing up landuse and land cover by any chance? >> >> >> you're insisting on this one? Yes, you are right: in traditional >> geoscience landuse

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-14 Thread Jonas Minnberg
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:50 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/5/14 John Smith : > > On 15 May 2010 05:27, Jonas Minnberg wrote: > >> Oh and I forgot: > >> * landuse=grass overlapping landuse=wood, grass set as layer=-1 > > > > Are you mixing up landuse and land cover by any chance? > > > yo

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-14 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/14 John Smith : > On 15 May 2010 05:27, Jonas Minnberg wrote: >> Oh and I forgot: >> * landuse=grass overlapping landuse=wood, grass set as layer=-1 > > Are you mixing up landuse and land cover by any chance? you're insisting on this one? Yes, you are right: in traditional geoscience land

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-14 Thread Jonas Minnberg
Well the area around where I live is a wonderful mish-mash of overlapping landuses, and many roads sharing nodes with landuse-borders and I think it's too much work to get it straight for now... In the case of the grass/forest overlap: That was a grassy-looking area containing houses (so actually

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-14 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/14 Jonas Minnberg : > OK, some real world examples; > * Two overlapping wood-areas, one named, the other not. Generally it's a good idea to tidy up your area, given you know the area, so in this case: either you know the extent of the named area in real life, or you shouldn't touch it. >

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-14 Thread John Smith
On 15 May 2010 05:27, Jonas Minnberg wrote: > Oh and I forgot: > * landuse=grass overlapping landuse=wood, grass set as layer=-1 Are you mixing up landuse and land cover by any chance? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.ope

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-14 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/14 Jonas Minnberg : > Oh and I forgot: > * landuse=grass overlapping landuse=wood, grass set as layer=-1 is this inside a building or are there platforms or what is the purpose of this layer-tag? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-14 Thread Jonas Minnberg
Oh and I forgot: * landuse=grass overlapping landuse=wood, grass set as layer=-1 On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Jonas Minnberg wrote: > > OK, some real world examples; > > * Two overlapping wood-areas, one named, the other not. > > * Grass inside grass landuse, rock inside grass landuse etc -

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-14 Thread Jonas Minnberg
OK, some real world examples; * Two overlapping wood-areas, one named, the other not. * Grass inside grass landuse, rock inside grass landuse etc - is the rule that wholly interior (possibly sharing nodes with the exterior) areas are always rendered on top of its exterior area? __

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-14 Thread Phil! Gold
* Jonas Minnberg [2010-05-14 16:39 +0200]: > What about bordering buildings - ie buldings sharing walls but having > different addresses/uses ? Is it better to draw the as a single area or as > separate but with shared nodes? I feel that separate ways that share nodes along the joint wall makes t

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-14 Thread Chris Hill
Jonas Minnberg wrote: > > When is it OK to remove an overlapping landuse ? In some places I > found 3 overlapping landuses and it's not clear which one has priority... When you have visited the area and found out what the real landuse is? Cheers, Chris ___

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-14 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/14 Jonas Minnberg : > What about bordering buildings - ie buldings sharing walls but having > different addresses/uses ? Is it better to draw the as a single area or as > separate but with shared nodes? IMHO the more you can separate them, the better. Usually I would expect (in a "final" s