Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-26 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
Hi, As I am against always changing the subject line of discussions, I resent with the original one. But it's also to add that, in my opinion, the tagging must respect the categories that the national law defines (our code de la route). There is no point in trying to forcefully adapt foreig

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-26 Thread Philip Barnes
Had forgotten the horn one, although the rule says 'except to avoid an accident', and there are really few other valid uses for the horn. I did look up the full beam rule, and cannot find one. All I can find is a rule that says 'you must not use lights in a way to dazzle or cause discomfort to o

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-26 Thread Craig Wallace
On 26/11/2012 11:25, Philip Barnes wrote: I think that is very country specific, not something that can be tagged worldwide. In the UK, beyond speed limits, there are no rule differences between urban and rural roads. However you have me curious, how do you see the rules as different? In th

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-26 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
>Simone Saviolo: if you "need" to tag the maxspeed anyway, then what's the point of that tag? It's not about the maxspeed, but the area that supposed to be considered "urban", and interesting in itself. The rural/urban distinction affects other rules, even outside of the traffic code. Here t

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-26 Thread Philip Barnes
I think that is very country specific, not something that can be tagged worldwide. In the UK, beyond speed limits, there are no rule differences between urban and rural roads. However you have me curious, how do you see the rules as different? Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 26/11/2012 10

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-26 Thread Jo
zone:traffic=**:rural zone:traffic=**:urban source:maxspeed=zone30 highway=living_street have an effect on other traffic rules as well, so it's important to know that's the 'regime' the street is under. As a data consumer I also prefer to have the maxspeed be tagged explicitly. That's true for m

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-26 Thread Simone Saviolo
2012/11/23 Kytömaa Lauri > >The idea is that with a 30 driving rules list applying to an agglomération > > If it's just the traffic rules urban vs. rural, there's the tag (with 37 > 000+ uses) > > zone:traffic=**:rural > zone:traffic=**:urban > > where ** is the two letter country code. > > Don't

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-23 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
On 2012-11-23 22:58, Lauri wrote : The idea is that with a 30 driving rules list applying to an agglomération If it's just the traffic rules urban vs. rural, there's the tag (with 37 000+ uses) zone:traffic=**:rural zone:traffic=**:urban where ** is the two letter country code. Regarding the

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-23 Thread Jo
I'm a bit unhappy with the term urban instead of built-up or city_limit/city_limits. But it's better than source:maxspeed=city_limits, so I'll start using it. Hopefully it gets out of the proposed state one day, it was proposed in 2009 Jo 2012/11/23 Kytömaa Lauri > >The idea is that with

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-23 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
>The idea is that with a 30 driving rules list applying to an agglomération If it's just the traffic rules urban vs. rural, there's the tag (with 37 000+ uses) zone:traffic=**:rural zone:traffic=**:urban where ** is the two letter country code. Don't count on anything ever deriving the rules (

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-23 Thread Jo
What I'm doing right now is tag the roads inside this zone with maxspeed=50 and source:maxspeed=city_limit. This doesn't fit entirely, as it doesn't only influence maxspeed. Maybe adding a tag city_limit=yes would be more appropriate? Besides there is a conflict when inside those city limits the

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-23 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
On 2012-11-22 16:57, Simone Saviolo wrote : 2012/11/21 A.Pirard.Papou > Hi, I wanted to map the agglomeration of my village and I am wondering again. [...] How do we tag agglomérations? Currently, with place=* and their relative info on a clos

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-22 Thread Simone Saviolo
2012/11/21 A.Pirard.Papou > Hi, > > I wanted to map the agglomeration of my village and I am wondering again. > [...] > > How do we tag agglomérations? > Currently, with place=* and their relative info on a closed way. I have written a proposal which aims to change this tagging scheme: [1] H

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-21 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
Hi, Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012 22:53:53, A.Pirard.Papou a écrit : > Look at multilinestring, which I see as a swiss-knife way assembly. > > In my mind, such a relation is the way to assign the same tags to a > collection of objects making a whole with regard to those tags. If we > add recursio

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-21 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
On 2012-11-21 21:26, Ben Laenen wrote : On Wednesday 21 November 2012 20:52:50 sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: That's the current state of recommendation, but maybe we could start discussing it to see if that's a good idea to apply speed limits on roads inside a bounding polygon Polygons are a bad

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 20:52:50 sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: > That's the current state of recommendation, but maybe we could start > discussing it to see if that's a good idea to apply speed limits on roads > inside a bounding polygon Polygons are a bad idea to map built-up areas. It's not

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-21 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
On mercredi 21 novembre 2012, A.Pirard.Papou wrote: > Hi, Hi, > OSM-talk-fr sounds like associating agglomération and speed limit. I don't think we do. A french "agglomération" implies some speed limits (bellow 50km/h) But speed limits doesn't imply you are in an agglomération. An agglomératio

[Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-21 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
Hi, I wanted to map the agglomeration of my village and I am wondering again. http://www.google.be/search?&q=agglomération site:openstreetmap.org -communauté as well as a wiki search returns very va