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sent from a phone > Am 21.12.2015 um 22:31 schrieb John Willis : > > This is an actual tropical beach and trees and everything in a giant bubble! actually it is a building recycling (or re-use). The structure was built as a hangar for a project called "cargo lifter" which was planned as a ze

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> On Dec 21, 2015, at 9:51 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > south of Berlin there is also an example for a tropical water park: https://= > en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_Islands_Resort Wow! This is an actual tropical beach and trees and everything in a giant bubble! Our little "Carib

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sent from a phone > Am 21.12.2015 um 12:44 schrieb johnw : > > http://www.kiea.jp/CaribbeanBeach.html south of Berlin there is also an example for a tropical water park: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_Islands_Resort another example for a fun indoor water park, but which also has

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

> On Dec 21, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Matthijs Melissen > wrote: > > For example a indoor swimming hall with slides and wave > generators, heated to a subtropical temperature, for generic water parks (place for water “play” rather than water “exercise / sports”, usually dominated with water based

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

On 20 December 2015 at 22:37, John Willis wrote: > Aquatics_centre. The term "aquatics centre" seems indeed more popular for facilities in the UK, while the term "aquatic centre" is more popular in Australia and Ireland. I still wonder whether it would be problematic to use this tag for water pa

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Javbw > On Dec 21, 2015, at 5:20 AM, Steve Doerr wrote: > > Aquatics Centre Sounds fine to me. Aquatics_centre. Javbw. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

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Javbw > On Dec 21, 2015, at 12:32 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > Centre Centre. Cnnntttrrr. We would spell it center. Did you not see the 10 pages of search results for centre? That was my point. Damn! That American host made their web site too! And spelled it the British way to co

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On 20/12/2015 02:41, johnw wrote: The place where the London Olympics swimming took place was the "400 million dollar 'Aquatic Centre'” That's what I first thought of when people started talking about 'aquatic_centre' as a tag. Seems it was actually called the Aquatics Centre: http://www.ol

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On Sun, 2015-12-20 at 11:41 +0900, johnw wrote: > The place where the London Olympics swimming took place was the "400 > million dollar 'Aquatic Centre'”  > > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqjt4p_extreme-engineering-london-ol > ympic-aquatic-centre-1_tech  (a search result) > > The reporter,

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sent from a phone > Am 19.12.2015 um 17:42 schrieb ael : > > although something like sports_centre with > a sub-tag swimming=yes seems to capture most such places in a natural the problem I see with this is that many sports centres will have a swimming pool, but just as an additional feature

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> On Dec 20, 2015, at 1:42 AM, ael wrote: > > A water park is typically a natural area with lakes mainly for wildlife, > although perhaps boating and maybe, just maybe but very rarely, swimming. > But not a swimming pool (well, perhaps there are exceptions). Google Searched “Aquatic Centre”: T

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Javbw > On Dec 20, 2015, at 6:36 AM, Chris Hill wrote: > > An aquatic centre is not a swimming pool in non-marketing English. So what is the term in non-marketing English for a whole facility (not the individual pools) ? 水泳場 is the name of my local giant sports/splash centre in Japanese t

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On 19/12/15 21:04, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 19 December 2015 at 17:42, ael wrote: An aquatic centre would normally contain aquaria with typically sea creatures, often associated with research. A sort of sea-museum. Definitely no swimming pool, although I suppose that a very eccentric such ce

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"An aquatic centre would normally contain aquaria with typically sea creatures, often associated with research. A sort of sea-museum. Definitely no swimming pool, although I suppose that a very eccentric such centre might offer the experience of swimming with dolphins, but I doubt it." Also not tr

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On 19 December 2015 at 17:42, ael wrote: > An aquatic centre would normally contain aquaria with typically sea > creatures, often associated with research. A sort of sea-museum. > Definitely no swimming pool, although I suppose that a very eccentric > such centre might offer the experience of swim

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sent from a phone > Am 19.12.2015 um 16:27 schrieb John Willis : > > Facilities (indoor or outdoor: covered=yes?) covered=yes suggests the main reason is there is a pool with some roof but it really is about very different typology, some people even go to the open air facilities without ev

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On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 11:23:27AM +0100, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > On 19 December 2015 at 03:11, John Willis wrote: > > I would call it leisure=aquatic_center if it is based around pool based > > exercise/ sports/ competition and leisure=water_park for recreation (like a > > theme park with sl

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> On Dec 19, 2015, at 11:38 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > Thermal baths should be differentiated I believe. +1 Facilities (indoor or outdoor: covered=yes?) Usually break along 3 main points Sports - athletic - training Recreation - play Bathing - health We should be able to tag

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sent from a phone Am 18.12.2015 um 23:09 schrieb Matthijs Melissen : >> I would be happy if this main tag would be water park, as many >> mapper are using that because of the rendering already. > > I suppose this is the best we have. If nobody comes up with a better > tag for the area around a

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On 19 December 2015 at 03:11, John Willis wrote: > I would call it leisure=aquatic_center if it is based around pool based > exercise/ sports/ competition and leisure=water_park for recreation (like a > theme park with slides and splashing and tube pools and whatnot. I like this one, and I thin

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sent from a phone > Am 18.12.2015 um 19:38 schrieb Holger Jeromin : > > Important topic. Imo for an outdoor water area the > leisure=swimming pool is OK. if it's a pool, yes, for the areas around it, no, e.g. sport pitches, playgrounds, lawn, restaurant and cafe, changing rooms etc. It woul

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> On Dec 18, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Steve Doerr wrote: > > , I think these establishments did actually provide washing facilities for > those, especially the urban poor, who didn't have bath-tubs in the home, and > were provided as a public-health measure. in rural areas, you often see people pul

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> On Dec 19, 2015, at 7:09 AM, Matthijs Melissen > wrote: > > tag for the area around a swimming pool Usually the name for the pedestrian area around the pool is called the "pool_deck" , but I suppose you are looking for an all encompassing term. I would call it leisure=aquatic_center if it

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On 18 December 2015 at 21:46, Holger Jeromin wrote: > I would be happy if this main tag would be water park, as many > mapper are using that because of the rendering already. I suppose this is the best we have. If nobody comes up with a better tag for the area around a swimming pool (indoors or

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Matthijs Melissen Wrote in message: > > > On 18 Dec 2015 19:46, "Holger Jeromin" wrote: > >> What about a tag for all swimming facilities (building or area) > >> and a separate tag for main usage > >> =fun > >> =wellness > >> =health > >> =learning > >> =sport or competitive > >> > >>

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On 18 Dec 2015 19:46, "Holger Jeromin" wrote: > What about a tag for all swimming facilities (building or area) > and a separate tag for main usage > =fun > =wellness > =health > =learning > =sport or competitive > > Would be a easy solution for rendering (can ignore the sub tag) > and data cons

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Matthijs Melissen Wrote in message: > Hi all, > > There are currently two tags for swimming pools in use: > * leisure=swimming_pool (511?413 occurences) > * amenity=swimming_pool (46?495 occurences) Important topic. Imo for an outdoor water area the leisure=swimming pool is OK. What about a

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

On 18/12/2015 00:23, johnw wrote: On Dec 16, 2015, at 8:38 PM, Philip Barnes > wrote: Isn't the term public_bath somewhat outdated? Google search 温泉 in Japan https://www.google.com/maps/search/温泉 /@36.3099717,138.9777321,11z

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> On Dec 16, 2015, at 8:38 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > Isn't the term public_bath somewhat outdated? Google search 温泉 in Japan https://www.google.com/maps/search/温泉/@36.3099717,138.9777321,11z several tho

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Javbw > On Dec 18, 2015, at 7:29 AM, Matthijs Melissen > wrote: > > The difference between these two is not always clear in my opinion. This is a swimming pool. It is deigned and maintained as a lap pool. Just like a house can occasionally have a party - it is not a an event venue, it is a

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On 17 December 2015 at 23:06, John Willis wrote: > Water park- for frolicking - shallow pools with slides, rubber amusements to > slide down. > > Swimming pool - usually square multi-sport pools for swimming, lap swimming, > and water polo. The difference between these two is not always clear i

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> On Dec 18, 2015, at 5:39 AM, Matthijs Melissen > wrote: > > And for the native English speakers: it's still not clear to me > whether this use would be very contradictory to the regular use of > 'water park' in English, what do you think? Water park- for frolicking - shallow pools with slid

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I collected some usage statistics of pools I know: Indoor swimming pool, building: 5x leisure=swimming_pool 2x amenity=swimming_pool 1x leisure=water_park 1x leisure=sports_centre 1x leisure=sports_centre+sport=swimming Indoor swimming pool, water area: 10x not tagged Outdoor swimming pool, area

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On Thursday 17 December 2015, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > > Most public baths in Germany (Hallenbad/Freibad) are tagged > > leisure=water_park no matter if they qualify as such or not (which > > would be commonly called 'Erlebnisbad'). > > Does this including indoor swimming pools (for example publi

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On 17 December 2015 at 21:19, Christoph Hormann wrote: > Most public baths in Germany (Hallenbad/Freibad) are tagged > leisure=water_park no matter if they qualify as such or not (which > would be commonly called 'Erlebnisbad'). Does this including indoor swimming pools (for example public swimmi

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On Thursday 17 December 2015, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I guess most of the "public baths" are actually tagged as something > else, (leisure=swimming_pool probably). Most public baths in Germany (Hallenbad/Freibad) are tagged leisure=water_park no matter if they qualify as such or not (whic

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2015-12-16 11:48 GMT+01:00 Christoph Hormann : > leisure=water_park > amenity=public_bath > leisure=sports_centre > > I think these pretty much covers the range of swimming amenities - > except maybe health oriented non-public things. > I guess most of the "public baths" are actually tagged as s

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

On 16/12/2015 9:14 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 16 December 2015 at 11:08, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: On 16/12/2015 8:53 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 16 December 2015 at 02:07, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: As only the swimming pool should be tagged with swimming_pool...

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On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 12:07:17PM +1100, Warin wrote: > the tag sport=swimming should be used to indicate what sports a 'sports > centre' supports. Or that a swimming_pool can be used for 'sports'. > The tag value swimming_pool does not indicatethat the sport swimming takes > place there .. it ma

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On 16 December 2015 at 12:26, Andy Mabbett wrote: > No. In British English, the term "Water Park" means an outdoor > facility - a country park - of several acres, with lakes for > activities like sailing, water-skiing, fishing, and as a nature > reserve. There may be no swimming pools. For example

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

On Wed Dec 16 10:48:29 2015 GMT, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Wednesday 16 December 2015, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > > > > Sorry, I think I misunderstood you. I wondered if you (or somebody > > else) has a suggestion for a tag for the collection of the pool(s) > > together with dressing rooms, sho

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On 15 December 2015 at 22:41, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > We currently have leisure=water_park, but it seems to more focussed on > recreational swimming with water slides etc. Does it make sense to use > leisure=water_park for indoor swimming pools that are focussed on > swimming lessons or speed

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On Wednesday 16 December 2015, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > > Sorry, I think I misunderstood you. I wondered if you (or somebody > else) has a suggestion for a tag for the collection of the pool(s) > together with dressing rooms, showers etc. Or do you think this > collection does not deserve a separ

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On 16 December 2015 at 11:08, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 16/12/2015 8:53 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: >> >> On 16 December 2015 at 02:07, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> As only the swimming pool should be tagged with swimming_pool... not any >>> changing rooms, showers,

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

On 16/12/2015 8:53 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 16 December 2015 at 02:07, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: As only the swimming pool should be tagged with swimming_pool... not any changing rooms, showers, toilets .. that may be present and shared with other things. These should have thei

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On 16 December 2015 at 02:07, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > As only the swimming pool should be tagged with swimming_pool... not any > changing rooms, showers, toilets .. that may be present and shared with > other things. These should have their own tags. Yes, that would make sense. Do y

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On 16/12/2015 10:13 AM, Craig Wallace wrote: On 2015-12-15 22:41, Matthijs Melissen wrote: In addition, it seems that the swimming pool tags are used for two different things: the pool itself, and the entire building/area (including showers, cafe, etc.). Would it be useful and possible to reso

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On 15 December 2015 at 23:50, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Why not stick to the simple facts and note that "leisure=swimming_pool > is the more popular tag to use"? If you say "is discouraged" or "is > recommended" the question is always, by whom and when did they make the > decision to discourage it an

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

On 2015-12-15 22:41, Matthijs Melissen wrote: In addition, it seems that the swimming pool tags are used for two different things: the pool itself, and the entire building/area (including showers, cafe, etc.). Would it be useful and possible to resolve this ambiguity? We currently have leisure=

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Hi, On 12/15/2015 11:41 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > Would it be time to mark the amenity-version as > 'discouraged' on the Wiki? Why not stick to the simple facts and note that "leisure=swimming_pool is the more popular tag to use"? If you say "is discouraged" or "is recommended" the question

[Tagging] Swimming pools

Hi all, There are currently two tags for swimming pools in use: * leisure=swimming_pool (511 413 occurences) * amenity=swimming_pool (46 495 occurences) Historically, amenity used to be the more popular tag, but usage has shifted to leisure, with amenity now making up less than 8% of the instance