Re: [Tagging] Problem with airport classification

2015-01-04 Thread Holger Jeromin
Mateusz Konieczny Wrote in message: > So, would it be OK to assume that large airports are important and small ones > (including mapped as nodes) > are unimportant? Area size, take off count and passenger count does not give the only small heliport in a 2h drive priority. But I think a calc

Re: [Tagging] Problem with airport classification

2015-01-03 Thread johnw
The only civilian airport within my prefecture - the only one for 2 hours of driving - is a public heliport. It would be nice if it would get named below z13. the name disappears after that. but maybe that has to do with label priority of the tagged stuff on the heliport grounds. I don’t know.

Re: [Tagging] Problem with airport classification

2015-01-03 Thread Janko Mihelić
There's a different problem. An airport with a grassy runway in Europe should be rendered at z13. Not very important. But a grassy runway in Africa, 500km from the nearest airport is important enough for z7. We should start making algorithms that take into account the context of an entity. Maybe s

Re: [Tagging] Problem with airport classification

2015-01-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
So, would it be OK to assume that large airports are important and small ones (including mapped as nodes) are unimportant? 2015-01-03 15:55 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > > > > Am 03.01.2015 um 15:33 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny : > > > > As both are mapped as nodes it is necessary to guess.

Re: [Tagging] Problem with airport classification

2015-01-03 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Saturday 03 January 2015, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > What about small airport next to big one - how it should be guessed > who operates which runways? > As both are mapped as nodes it is necessary to guess. Yes, this is somewhat complex but if performance is not an issue this is doable i thi

Re: [Tagging] Problem with airport classification

2015-01-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
"To make such a rating verifiable would require to have a recipe to calculate it from other observable facts - and then it is better to tag these facts rather than the combined rating calculated from them." Yes, I thought about something like that. But as my knowledge about aviation is limited and

Re: [Tagging] Problem with airport classification

2015-01-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 03.01.2015 um 15:33 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny : > > As both are mapped as nodes it is necessary to guess. mapping something as big (and typically well delimited, eg with fences) as an airport with a node is really preliminary and I'd expect this to change over time (AFAIK around here

Re: [Tagging] Problem with airport classification

2015-01-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I mentioned - "some really small airports have this codes". See - https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/218821049 1048 m of grassy runway, has its own IATA code 2015-01-03 15:30 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić : > I'm not an expert, but don't only big airports have the IATA code? Only 9 > airports have the

Re: [Tagging] Problem with airport classification

2015-01-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Querying runway lengrh from the database - sorry I missed this proposal. I see three problems: What about small airport next to big one - how it should be guessed who operates which runways? As both are mapped as nodes it is necessary to guess. Writing query to calculate it is not trivial (for s

Re: [Tagging] Problem with airport classification

2015-01-03 Thread Janko Mihelić
I'm not an expert, but don't only big airports have the IATA code? Only 9 airports have the IATA code in Croatia, and about 30 have the ICAO code. Maybe you have to meet certain standards to get the IATA code. Janko Mihelić 2015-01-03 14:54 GMT+01:00 Christoph Hormann : > On Saturday 03 January

Re: [Tagging] Problem with airport classification

2015-01-03 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Saturday 03 January 2015, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > - introducing new key that would allow to decide whatever > airport is important or not Independent from this particular problem manually tagging importance ratings is a really bad idea. Importance of a feature is nearly always a multi-cri

[Tagging] Problem with airport classification

2015-01-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
With current tagging scheme for airports there is no reliable method to decide whatever something is a major airport (serving a big city) or a small unimportant barely used one (grassy field with a shed). It would be highly useful to start using tagging method that would allow it. Considered meth