> > Apparently the Red Cross have released an app (using Google Maps) that
> > tracks the emergency shelters and also indicates which ones can't accept
> > new evacuees because they are full.
>
> > PS , I haven't seem the Red Cross app but the reviews are not good, with
> > one review describing i
Nick Hocking writes:
> t seems that the Emergency shelter situation for Hurricane Irma is very
> dynamic with over 200 new shelters being opened in just one day.
Do you mean "places for which there has not previously been a plan to
use them as a shelter"?
> Apparently the Red Cross have releas
t seems that the Emergency shelter situation for Hurricane Irma is very
dynamic with over 200 new shelters being opened in just one day.
Apparently the Red Cross have released an app (using Google Maps) that
tracks the emergency shelters and also indicates which ones can't accept
new evacuees bec
On 09-Sep-17 01:10 PM, Blake Girardot wrote:
On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 10:33 PM, Nick Hocking wrote:
Eric wrote
" This is an open database and we all "garden" the data to make sure that
the
information is correct."
I think that information critical to safety needs a higher level of
verification
On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 10:33 PM, Nick Hocking wrote:
> Eric wrote
>
> " This is an open database and we all "garden" the data to make sure that
> the
> information is correct."
>
> I think that information critical to safety needs a higher level of
> verification than just peer review.
> So the a
Eric wrote
" This is an open database and we all "garden" the data to make sure that
the
information is correct."
I think that information critical to safety needs a higher level of
verification than just peer review.
So the argument comes down to what is critical information.
I normal times, r
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> On 9. Sep 2017, at 01:15, Greg Troxel wrote:
>
> I see 1 as squarely what "social_facility=shelter" should mean.
>
> 2 I think "emergency=shelter" is good, and it's really not at all the
> same thing as social_facility=shelter.
>
> 3 I would call emergency=weather_shelter
Eric Christensen writes:
> On 09/07/2017 11:24 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> do you recall why emergency:social_facility=shelter was chosen as a tag,
>> rather than a simple "emergency=shelter"? Because social_facility
>> shelter in osm is used with a different meaning, so it seems quite odd
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> do you recall why emergency:social_facility=shelter was chosen as a tag,
> rather than a simple "emergency=shelter"? Because social_facility
> shelter in osm is used with a different meaning, so it
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On 09/07/2017 11:12 PM, Nick Hocking wrote:
> Eric wrote "Why would you delete data that is still valid and
> useful?"
>
>
> My concern is that if these are permanent features, then people
> will say "ooh - they'll be the same as last time" and o
2017-09-08 0:26 GMT+02:00 tomoya muramoto :
>
>>
>> (1) "emergency=shelter" is not defined in wiki
>
> (2) wiki says social_facility=shelter can be applied to "Emergency Shelter"
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:social_facility%3Dshelter
> We wanted to show the shelter is only available w
] Emergency shelters
Eric wrote "Why would you delete data that is still valid and useful?"
My concern is that if these are permanent features, then people will say "ooh -
they'll be the same as last time" and of course they probably won't be the same
as last time and
Authorities routinely post the hurricane evacuation centers for a year
as they do change a little bit year to year.
but the core typically remains the same, schools etc.
These just need a good lifecycle tag.
Like "good until' date, after which it can be easily found and removed.
I proposed some
Eric wrote "Why would you delete data that is still valid and useful?"
My concern is that if these are permanent features, then people will say
"ooh - they'll be the same as last time" and of course they probably won't
be the same as last time and we may route people to a wrong place, with
poss
>
>
> do you recall why emergency:social_facility=shelter was chosen as a tag,
> rather than a simple "emergency=shelter"? Because social_facility shelter
> in osm is used with a different meaning, so it seems quite odd.
>
> (1) "emergency=shelter" is not defined in wiki
(2) wiki says social_facil
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On 09/07/2017 04:08 AM, Nick Hocking wrote:
> The list of emergency centers would be very much dependent on where
> the threat is and what the nature of the threat is.
As a former emergency management planner I'll go on the record as
saying... kinda
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Greg Troxel wrote:
>
> Nick Hocking writes:
>
> > Do we have a tagging scheme for emergency shelters to be used in times of
> > natural disasters?
>
> Around me, there are almost no places that would be described like this
> as their primary use.
>
> Instead, ther
Nick Hocking writes:
> Do we have a tagging scheme for emergency shelters to be used in times of
> natural disasters?
>
> Off the top of my head I could see tags such as
>
> emergency=shelter
Around me, there are almost no places that would be described like this
as their primary use.
Instead,
Le 07. 09. 17 à 17:24, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit :
>> emegency:social_facility=shelter
> social_facility shelter in osm is used with a different meaning,
> so it seems quite odd.
+1 :(
2017-09-07 13:41 GMT+02:00 tomoya muramoto :
> hazard_type=*
feel free to add some info in the wiki
2017-09-07 13:41 GMT+02:00 tomoya muramoto :
> (1) Evacuation shelter
> Many schools are designated as evacuation shelter for natural disaster
> such as flooding.
> amenity=school
> emegency:social_facility=shelter
> hazard_type=*
>
>
do you recall why emergency:social_facility=shelter was chose
There was a discussion here on "Disaster response" in April.
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-April/032127.html
Another discussion back in December 2015 "If a school is a shelter when a
disaster happens..."
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-December/027929
Hi all,
Japanese community has decided to use following tags
(Discussed here
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2017-July/009817.html)
(1) Evacuation shelter
Many schools are designated as evacuation shelter for natural disaster such
as flooding.
amenity=school
emegency:social_faci
Marc wrote
"*open=yes/no *except this one. what do you mean ?"
Yes, I agree , this one is silly and means nothing. They are always open,
and if closed will be just deleted from the map.
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Le 07. 09. 17 à 05:48, Nick Hocking a écrit :
> Do we have a tagging scheme for emergency shelters
> to be used in times of natural disasters?
why not, it could be consistent with the other emergency feature.
> emergency=shelter
> open=yes/no
except this one. what do you mean ?
for me a closed e
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> On 7. Sep 2017, at 12:22, Walter Nordmann wrote:
>
> Hi (hallo) Martin,
>
> in Osm there are 94790 amenity=shelter and 1 (one) emergency=shelter. (Nodes
> only, may be some more ways).
> I think, you won't change that ;)
>
likely not alone ;-)
Depending on the kind of
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> On 7. Sep 2017, at 10:38, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
>
> whereas amenity=shelter is a protection from something defined
> in shelter_type=*
the sun shelter protects from the sun, the weather shelter from the weather and
the picnic shelter from picnics? ;-)
Maybe it would
Hi (hallo) Martin,
in Osm there are 94790 amenity=shelter and 1 (one) emergency=shelter.
(Nodes only, may be some more ways).
I think, you won't change that ;)
Am 07.09.2017 um 09:54 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
I would use "emergency" as the "main" key.
Cheers,
Martin
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On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 07:41:37 +0200
Marc Gemis wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 6:44 AM, Nick Hocking
> wrote:
>>
>> "I think amenity=shelter is well established "
>
> The social facility shelter
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:social_facility%3Dshelter
> mentions emergency shelter.
am
The list of emergency centers would be very much dependent on where the
threat is and what the nature of the threat is.
Therefore I see these as being loaded (by the relevant authorities) only
when a state of emergency is declared and only for the areas affected.
These locations would therefore b
2017-09-07 9:49 GMT+02:00 Nick Hocking :
> I don't think this school should be labelled with any kind of social
> facility tag whereas it is only in a state of emergency that it would take
> on the role of an emergency center.
>
especially as social_facility is in the amenity namespace, as is
am
Marc wrote,
"the wikipedia page it refers to seem to describe the same facility as
you do, not ?"
Yes that is true, although it is only a "see also" reference.
The "social facilities" would usually be permanently social facilities,
whereas the designated emergency centers during a state of eme
the wikipedia page it refers to seem to describe the same facility as
you do, not ?
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 8:34 AM, Nick Hocking wrote:
> Marc wrote
> "The social facility shelter
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:social_facility%3Dshelter
> mentions emergency shelter."
>
> Yes it does, a
Marc wrote
"The social facility shelter
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:social_facility%3Dshelter
mentions emergency shelter."
Yes it does, although I would think that these would usually be of limited
capacity and meant for use at all times.
I think we need tagging for large scale relie
The social facility shelter
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:social_facility%3Dshelter
mentions emergency shelter.
m.
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 6:44 AM, Nick Hocking wrote:
> Gerd wrote
>
> "I think amenity=shelter is well established "
>
> Yes, I read that but saw that it said "a small p
Gerd wrote
"I think amenity=shelter is well established "
Yes, I read that but saw that it said "a small place", so it doesn't seem
appropriate for disaster relief situations.
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I think amenity=shelter is well established, see
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aamenity%3Dshelter
Gerd
Von: Nick Hocking
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. September 2017 05:48:36
An: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Betreff: [Tagging] Emergency shelters
Do we
Do we have a tagging scheme for emergency shelters to be used in times of
natural disasters?
Off the top of my head I could see tags such as
emergency=shelter
protects_from=
wind
flood
radiation/nuclear fallout
fire
earthquake
bomb blast
pet=yes/no
bed=yes/no
water=yes/no
food=yes/no
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