Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: >> >> This talk by Richard Fairhurst suggests that 5% of mappers do 95% of work. >> So it's more important to find those few dedicated mappers and make their >> life easier, than to cat

Re: [Tagging] Blatant tagging for the renderer: bridges & abandoned railways

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > The core problem is: > railway=abandoned > Refers to railway service, and does not describe what's on the ground. > What's on the ground could range from a bit of residual lead arsenate > herbicide, > up through a highly visible gravel trackbe

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

It'll be interesting to see how the German community handles this as an excercise for other communities. I think that handling this in a local way is the right move. - Serge On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Jo wrote: > > >> Sometimes I remove stuff by accident realize it later and instead of go

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Voting system- time for reform?

he results. - Serge On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > Hi! > > 2015-01-24 13:21 GMT+01:00 Serge Wroclawski : >> >> There seems to be conflation of this list as having some kind of >> administrative function. It doesn't. >> >> This is

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Voting system- time for reform?

There seems to be conflation of this list as having some kind of administrative function. It doesn't. This isn't an OSMF working group, it's a discussion list, and as such there is no administrative function for this list beyond the boundraries of the voting process on the wiki. In OSM, "official

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addrN:*

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: >> In that scenario, I'd much prefer to see two nodes, each with their >> address, and each tagged as an entrance. > > What you prefer certainly depends on your needs. Adresses on entrances are > fine for routing, maybe for visual represe

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addrN:*

The idea, if I understand it, is to allow for some arbitrary number of values for an address. That's an important goal as we increase the number of addresses in OSM. I do have some questions/concerns about this specific proposal. As I examine it, it serves one very specific purpose, which is a b

Re: [Tagging] Distinction between amenity=restaurant and fast_food

Folks, Reading this threat, I think I agree with problems brought up around amenity=fast_food It's very subjective, and if you actually look at the DB, you see that many times, people are mis-labeling fast food establishments as restaurants. I see this with McDonalds, and Burger King, specificall

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin: Distinction of purchase through website and cash register/Point of sale

Anita, Frankly a large majority of the bitcoin edits are unauthorized (and probably copyright violating) imports. Discussions of website allowing bitcoin seem to fall in that same category. There have been few complaints but I think it's inevitable that if the imports continue, someone will compla

Re: [Tagging] Kindergarten, Childcare and Preschool

This is one of those areas where we are all just splitting the definitions in complex ways. What is a day care, and what is a "real school"? That depends on your definition of the terms. You can skip down to my proposed solutions if you already agree with me. If you don't yet, here are my reasons:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:building=kindergarten, accept and document usage of this tag

Maybe this is a US-centric view, but in the US, a kindergarten is a grade of school. In other parts of the world, does kindergarten mean day care? - Serge On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:13 AM, Никита wrote: > Hello! This is second time I send email. First was rejected for some reason. > > Tag:build

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

Perfect, so now we have a reason to keep both tags! - Serge On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Steve Doerr wrote: > On 16/07/2014 20:11, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > >> there are no delicatessens in the UK. > > > http://www.yell.com/ucs/UcsSearchAction.do?keywords=delicat

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: >> A deli and a delicatessen are not the same thing. I'd say a >> delicatessen is a cuisine of restaurant, and a deli is a type of shop. >> > In British English, delicatessen and deli are the same thing. Certainly > not a cuisine, I would not

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 5:00 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > There are some values of shop key that seem to be synonymous with other tags > and I want to confirm whatever it is true. > Unless mentioned otherwise all mentioned tags are values of key shop, > numeric values is occurrence count accordi

Re: [Tagging] "No abbreviations in names" edge case

> But I like the idea of having a key for the signposted spelling available. Of course I could bring up the fact that FDR Drive in NYC is spelled FDR Drive and F.D.R. Drive, and F D R Drive, depending on which sign you look at. :) - Serge ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Reviewing the use of addr:housename

On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 12:31 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: >> >> Perhaps there's a call for a building name tag which may or may not be >> the addr:housename tag? > > > I think that's call

Re: [Tagging] Reviewing the use of addr:housename

I think there's an excellent point which is being danced around, which is that there's a conflation between a building's name and the addr:housename. Perhaps there's a call for a building name tag which may or may not be the addr:housename tag? - Serge On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Fernando T

Re: [Tagging] Reviewing the use of addr:housename

On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > On 15 June 2014 19:22, Peter Wendorff wrote: >> What is the address in your opinion? > > That is of course not black and white. But I do think house names have > a different status in the UK than they have in Germany. In Germany, > you w

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] generalized survey : proposed wiki update

On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 7:03 PM, André Pirard wrote: > Hi, > > Following this discussion here is a proposed clarification to Key:source > . > The goal is to define the word, make date mandatory, use ISO format, > define per source tag meaning. > Is

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin ATM (amenity=atm | currency:XBT=yes)

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:36 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > What if it gave you paper money for Bitcoins? Would it be an ATM then? What > if there's a shop that only works with bitcoins? Is it a shop? > > An ATM isn't a machine that gives you paper money, the term is broader than > that. These seman

Re: [Tagging] [osm_sk] Re: Aktualizace: Tags for Czech/Slovak address system

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:30 AM, "Petr Morávek [Xificurk]" wrote: > Oh, here we go again... You are wrong. It's nothing like addr:country, > it's not duplicating any information, and the polygon approach is not > applicable. > > I would really appreciate, if people would read on the local terms u

Re: [Tagging] [osm_sk] Re: Aktualizace: Tags for Czech/Slovak address system

My opinion is, as I've stated before, that having the boundaries of the municipal area in OSM makes sense, but having it in each and every object absolutely does not. This would eliminate the tagging debate, make OSM cleaner, make the objects more flexible and easier to manage in the future. It's

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - opening hours holiday select

Indeed- I have no idea what "summer holidays" are. I know what "federal holidays" are, I know what some religious holidays are, but "summer holidays" isn't something I'm familiar with. - Serge On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: > How do you define summer holidays? surely on it

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

I've never seen a business have a closing time specified without an opening time. Can you provide some examples? - Serge On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Robin `ypid` Schneider wrote: > Good evening > > I would like to discuss one little detail in the opening_hours syntax. It > is > about faci

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - All You Can Eat

On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 7:57 AM, John Packer wrote: > Actually, all_you_can_eat:type=* describes the *way* the food is served. > If the value is buffet, then people go to the food to get it; if the > value is rodízio, then waiters go around the restaurant offering samples > of food to each table;

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Feature Proposal - RFC - Marijuana

On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > I would look at how these places are already tagged in, say, > Amsterdam. I know, I should know, having lived there for 20 years, but > I don't :p Colorado will be full of coffee shops. - Serge __

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin and Online shops

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > > 2013/11/27 Jean-Marc Liotier > >> Commerce, e-commerce... What is the difference nowadays ?Are there any >> activities left that do not have an online side ? >> > > I have a feeling you've got something there. office=commerce seems enough

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin and Online shops

Actually the problem is that most of these businesses adding themselves are doing more harm than good. 1. Many users copy data from Google - There was even a video on coinmap encouraging users to do so 2. There are many users who find the location via nominatim, which doesn't add accuracy to our

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 6:22 AM, SomeoneElse wrote: > Lukas Hornby wrote: > > > In particular defnition seems to be key and I can confirm my definition is > from a British perspective. > > > Which is fine, because OSM uses British English names for things except in > rare cases. The rare cases in

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Japanese address, place revise (Block system address)

Perhaps this is one of those "a picture is worth a thousand words" type situations. I know that the Japanese system for addressing is quite different than the system we think of in the West. Can you perhaps show us what a map of addresses looks like in another map, and then show an OSM example of

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

1. We do not map land lots in OSM, for reasons that have been discussed many times. 2. Even if we did, land lots do not talk about land use, which is what landuse is for. - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstre

Re: [Tagging] Ace Hardware

On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > operator = Joe Smith, Proprietor. > affiliation = ACE Hardware Corporation > affiliation_2 = North East Hardware Cooperative This is exactly the kind of over-tagging I'd like to avoid. - Serge > With ACE what's important (I suppose) is

Re: [Tagging] Ace Hardware

Yeah, I think I like franchise too. cooperative is not really import from the consumer's standpoint. operator is good but separate, and yes there is overlap, just like there is with brand. Perhaps someone who likes to write will write this up as a proposal? - Serge _

Re: [Tagging] Ace Hardware

The difference between Ace Hardware and a company like McDonalds is that in McDonalds, you will have very strong branding associated with the franchise. A consumer goes into a store labeled "McDonalds". But an Ace Hardware store is a complex beast, because the branding is all over the place, from

[Tagging] Ace Hardware

In the United States and Canada, we have a very large organization of hardware stores called Ace Hardware: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_Hardware Each Ace Hardware is independently owned and operated, and each of them uses their own name. But they all belong to a single organization called Ac

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > On 07/19/2013 03:33 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: >>> >>> Of the solutions, I feel that calling it what it's called locally is >>> preferable. Anyone who cares to compare across countries is going to >&

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > Of the solutions, I feel that calling it what it's called locally is > preferable. Anyone who cares to compare across countries is going to have > to parse the location first anyway. We've managed to handle creating definitions that we cou

Re: [Tagging] Double and misfitting house numbers

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Tobias wrote: > It is kind of both. So in the end you will have the 101 on the building > and the shop. That seems okay to me. We don't map to the renderer, so if it's both, it's both. If you feel strongly it should only be on one, let it be on the shop, and if

Re: [Tagging] Double and misfitting house numbers

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Tobias wrote: > 1. Double house numbers: I want to tag the house number 101 of a shop. > The building in which the romms of the shop are located has the house > numbers 97,99,101,103,105,107,109. The house numbers of the building are > either tagged on the entranc

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:13 PM, alyssa wright wrote: > Yes, people keep saying that. But as a new editor, my inclination is to use > approved tags and not ones that are in the proposal stage. This is > consistent in what I've seen anecdotally with new members. This tag has yet > to go up for a vot

[Tagging] The value of the list (was Observations of the use of the diet: tag)

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Pieren wrote: > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 5:14 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > >> My experience with mapping has been that after talking on the tagging >> list, and being voted down, when I just went ahead and used my tags, >> they were adop

Re: [Tagging] Observations on use of the diet: tag

On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 3:34 PM, fly wrote: > I have no problem in reverting my changes but please give me one reason > why you can not live with diet:gluten_free=*. I do not want to revert my > changeset now only to have a bot redo it in a week. I don't know how long you've been with the proje

Re: [Tagging] Observations on use of the diet: tag

On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:59 PM, fly wrote: > Please, tell me the difference between gluten_free=* and > diet:gluten_free=* and document them in the wiki. The difference is that one is the that was in higher usage than the other. >> * The wiki reflected *actual usage* of the gluten_free tag, of

Re: [Tagging] Observations on use of the diet: tag

On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:32 AM, fly wrote: > * I did add diet:gluten_free= to all objects with gluten_free=. > * I did add diet:lacto_free=* and diet:lactose_free=* > * I did add links to diet from both pages and moved both under the > proposal namespace and marked both for deletion > * Maybe w

Re: [Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:40 AM, Martin Koppenhöfer wrote: >> A new tag called residential, where the value specifies the type of >> residential, such as: >> >> residential=apartment >> residential=condo >> residential=co-op >> residential=single_room_occupancy > Not sure if I can agree, what do

Re: [Tagging] About "url" Key

On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Taichi Furuhashi wrote: > Hi Serge and all: > > Thanks for your opinion. > I want to confirm about just one thing. > > Question 1 means, Can we use "url" key to "non-ODbL/non-Compatible license" > website? > Should i talk to legal-talk ML? Short answer: Yes, you c

Re: [Tagging] About "url" Key

On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 1:44 AM, Taichi Furuhashi wrote: > Hi OSM tagging ML > > I'm working some Mapping projects in Tsunami affected area, JAPAN. > In this week end, we will held a mapping party with local people. > > Just I have two simple questions about "url" key. > http://wiki.openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: >> building=yes >> and then add appropriate nodes, which in this case, would include >> residential=[SOME VALUE] > Then we need many or all of: > > building=yes > commercial= > residential= > hotel= > amenity=parking > man_made=tower > shop=

Re: [Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > Serge; > So you mean for an existing building outline tagged: > > building=retail > > You might recognize the residential separately: > > building=retail > residential=apartment;condo No. building=retail doesn't make sense for a vast majori

Re: [Tagging] How should I create a proposal to alter (not create a new) tag?

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > The proposal/voting instructions at: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Creating_a_proposal Are mostly about > inventing new tags. > What's the procedure for, and how can we document, a voting proposal for > reorganizing things instead?

Re: [Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

After discussing it on IRC, how does this sound as a potential for a proposal: A new tag called residential, where the value specifies the type of residential, such as: residential=apartment residential=condo residential=co-op residential=single_room_occupancy (these would be open for refinemen

Re: [Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > Like many large cities, we have apartments that are on the upper stories of > multi-use buildings. The lower level(s) usually contain shops and business > services. This is nearly every single building in New York City, so I'm quite familiar

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> any of the former. If I go to a telephone business book (yellow pages) or a >> book section in a book store, I expect bakery and baking books to cover >> breads, cakes, pastries, etc. To further complicate matters, in the US, many sto

Re: [Tagging] Fast Food Restaurants

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Tac Tacelosky wrote: > I'm looking at a picture of a restaurant, and asking the user what > type of establishment it is. Because I'm not yet weighing tags, the > user has choices like "donut" and "donuts", and has no idea which to > pick. I'm working on a way now

Re: [Tagging] Fast Food Restaurants

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Tac Tacelosky wrote: > I see "amenity:Restaurant" and "amenity:restaurant" are both returned > from the api. And I just discovered that postgres does case-sensitive > LIKE's. Sigh. Those are the kinds of things that bots come along and fix (much like they do in

Re: [Tagging] Fast Food Restaurants

On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > Well, I guess we need to back up. When is a name not a name to you? I don't always use brand, but when I'm tagging a store or restaurant that I know is part of a large megachain, then I do: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:brand It

Re: [Tagging] Fast Food Restaurants

On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On May 28, 2013 6:08 PM, "Serge Wroclawski" wrote: > >> brand=Subway instead of name=Subway > > Very, very few Subway locations have names other than Subway. Not really > sure that's a valid compla

Re: [Tagging] Fast Food Restaurants

This discussion is best for t...@openstreetmap.org or for help.osm.org, but I'll bite. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Richard Welty wrote: >> name=Subway >> amenity=fast_food >> cuisine=sandwiches This is what the wiki would suggest, what the JOSM presets say, and what the renderer will accep

Re: [Tagging] Juice "restaurants"

I agree with specifically tagging them as juice bars (amenity=juice_bar). They also don't all qualify as cafes, since they don't all offer seating, for example, if they're in a food court, or just a street vendor with no seating. - Serge ___ Tagging ma

Re: [Tagging] Grades for obstacle=vegetation

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Konfrare Albert wrote: > Hello, > > Some people has suggested me to include a gradient for the key > obstacle=vegetation. > > One suggestion was something like vegetation=light|medium|dense. I think we don't need so much detail about the obstacle. If it's light ve

Re: [Tagging] Follow-up on Time Domains

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > It shouldn't be too hard to make a JOSM add-on that converts 3 letters into > 2. So that's no problem. You seem to be not seeing the point. Two letter days of the week (DOW) may be standard in German, and that's fine. But the tags we use in

Re: [Tagging] Follow-up on Time Domains

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Eckhart Wörner wrote: > nobody else? > Windows Vista: > http://www.askdavetaylor.com/1-blog-pics/vista-date-time-pop-up.png > Windows 7: http://www.homeandlearn.co.uk/bc/win7/taskbar/changeDateTime.gif > Windows 8: > http://www.liberiangeek.net/wp-content/uploa

Re: [Tagging] Follow-up on Time Domains

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 5:32 AM, Andrew Errington wrote: > Surely this is 'internal'. That is, it's nice that some people can read Mo, > Tu, We, etc., but for others, they are just 'coded' days of the week. Date > producers need to understand the meaning of Mo, Tu, etc. so that they can > recor

Re: [Tagging] Follow-up on Time Domains

> there have been some minor additions resulting in an updated spec. The one comment I have is that I'm not at all used to seeing two letter days of the week. I've always seen them as Mon, Tue, Wed, Thur, Fri, Sat, Sun. This is obviously cultural, but we want these to be as "natural" as possible

Re: [Tagging] Follow-up on Time Domains

On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Eckhart Wörner wrote: > Hi everybody, > > last year, I started an RFC to properly define time domains. Unfortunately, > due to lack of time I wasn't able to follow-up on this. I would like to > revive the discussion. > > The latest version of the proposal is here

Re: [Tagging] Dispute concerning shrimp pond dikes

On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 10:43 AM, doug brown wrote: > In the past couple of years I have spent several tens of hours digitizing > the shrimp pond dikes in San Blas Municipio, Nayarit, Mexico. They are a > significant feature on the local landscape and of importance because of the > degradation th

Re: [Tagging] Source tag - deprecated for use on objects?

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Dudley Ibbett wrote: > As a relatively new mapper I am rather confused about this discussion about > source. To quote the wiki for the tag, source: The wiki is not an authoritative source, it's edited and re-edited by people with an oninion. On this very topic, I

Re: [Tagging] Source tag - deprecated for use on objects?

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Jason Cunningham wrote: > From my experience most mapping sessions involve changes and additions made > to a wide variety of objects with a several sources used. Effectively > requiring a new changeset for each object edit makes complicated process > significantly

Re: [Tagging] Source tag - deprecated for use on objects?

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Andre Engels wrote: >>> Secondly, any changeset can have multiple sources so adding the source tag >>> to a changeset is not flexible enough. >> >> We use semicolons for all tags as a separator. > > But it's less precise Then you'd make a new changeset. It's the s

Re: [Tagging] Source tag - deprecated for use on objects?

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Chris Hill wrote: > On 02/01/13 12:50, dies38...@mypacks.net wrote: > Whoever told you that is wrong, not that that is unusual on mailing lists. There are many people (myself included) who believe that source /on objects/ is not useful, and most OSMers have moved

Re: [Tagging] Multiple purposes for buildings

On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Svavar Kjarrval wrote: > Hi. > > How does one tag buildings which are both commercial and residential? There isn't a good solution for this at the moment. It's a pain for high density areas like NYC where most buildings are multi-use. It might make sense to have a

Re: [Tagging] New tag proposal Amenity=meditation centre

Christian Science Reading rooms have very little, if anything to do with medication centers. - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] The Tagging philosophy (was the OSM philosophy)

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Ilari Kajaste wrote: > On 26 August 2012 10:42, Markus Lindholm wrote: > For nothing, and no one. Which also means: for anything, everything and all. While I agree with this sentiment, and love OSM's flexibility, I feel there's one place where this bites us in t

[Tagging] Shark tagging

I took this photo of a building across the street. How do you propose I tag it? http://www.emacsen.net/shark-bldg.jpg :) - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] any tag you like, but why create parallel systems for established tags? DCGIS

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I recently stumbled upon an import in the US prefixed with "dcgis". > While this tagging makes it possible to have these data inserted > parallely to other OSM data I still wonder why someone would do that. > > In particular I am referi

Re: [Tagging] Health and other stories

parking=* requires amenity=parking. That seems entirely redundant to me, and if I were king, I'd strip out amenity=parking. (the whole parking scheme needs re-design to integrate the various schemes currently in place). - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a club's meeting location

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 2:21 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > In addition to being a mapper, I am the secretary of the Nashville Linux > Users Group.  I have been debating whether the club's monthly meeting > location should be tagged in OSM, and, if so, what tag to use.  The question > arises beca

Re: [Tagging] [Imports] Bus data for Fairfax Connector, Fairfax County, Virginia, USA

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Mike N wrote: > On 8/27/2011 3:09 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: >> >> Skip the name for a bus stop.  If rendered it would create clutter. > >  I'd say the opposite; the stop name is very useful to anyone using the > "Public Transport" JOSM plugin to check and organize s

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Simone Saviolo wrote: > if we make a system that any newcomer can > use completely without even having to dwelve into the details, then we're > basically dumbing it down and limiting its potential. I think we're venturing a bit off topic, but you're keying on to a

[Tagging] Relations (was directions)

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Ilya Zverev wrote: > Of course. When you get to the road you'll see its surface and lane count, Lane count and surface are useful for many things: For routing, for rendering, for analyzing traffic and capacity. Tell me what direction is useful for other than 3d

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Directional node

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Ilya Zverev wrote: > >> How about just using a tag to indicate direction? >> direction= > > There are a couple of such proposals in the wiki, see links at the bottom > of the discussed proposal. The purpose of relation is not only to state the > direction of a point

Re: [Tagging] How to tag destroyed stuff?

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > is their removal permanent, or are they to be rebuilt? if they are going > to be rebuilt in substantially the same place, i'd just set access=no > with a README=destroyed by storm 201y-mm-dd, to be rebuilt, ETA 201y-mm-dd It sounds like we

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Directional node

How about just using a tag to indicate direction? direction= - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Pet supplies store but doesn't sell animals

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:31 PM, John Smith wrote: >> The logical conclusion is: >> >> shop=pets >> animals:cats=yes >> animals:reptiles=gecko;snakes >> supplies:cat_food=dry;canned >> supplies:fish=block;flakes;filters;nets >> supplies:fish:treasure_chest=no >> ... > > I don't see a problem wit

Re: [Tagging] Pet supplies store but doesn't sell animals

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:56 PM, John Smith wrote: > On 11 June 2011 06:16, Serge Wroclawski wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Dave F. wrote: >>> Hi >>> >>> Is there a specific tag for pet supplies (food, collars, chew toys etc) >> >>

Re: [Tagging] Pet supplies store but doesn't sell animals

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Dave F. wrote: > Hi > > Is there a specific tag for pet supplies (food, collars, chew toys etc) I'm used to pet stores being ambigious, and don' have a problem with that. But I'd say shop=pet_supplies is better than animals=no. Still, I think that the distinction

Re: [Tagging] Tags for neighborhoods / subdivisions

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Josh Doe wrote: > I'm all for creating something else, however I didn't tag it this way, > this is how the TIGER places import was done, so this affects at least > the entire US. Saying it's the way it was done in the single worst import we've done in the project

Re: [Tagging] Tags for neighborhoods / subdivisions

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > Tagging something wilfully and deliberately wrongly in order to obtain the > desired visible results is called "tagging for the renderer" and is almost > universally frowned upon - see [1]... If Nominatim doesn't know to look at > other object

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - automated tasks

I think the number of tags in this kind of proposal would balloon quickly, so let me suggest instead that tags of this nature be put on the changeset, with a then request to bot authors to check object history and changesets, rather than more tags on the object. In other words, use the changeset

Re: [Tagging] landuse:illegal and illegal:yes/no

Pieren> In general, I'm also against tagging what is not physical and Pieren> immediatly "verifiable" attributes. But hey, the idea of indicating the Pieren> legal status is not worst than many other tags already widely used. I disagree. Pieren> And it is verifiable, Pieren> not easy but it is (n

Re: [Tagging] landuse:illegal and illegal:yes/no

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Peter Gervai wrote: > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 15:21, Bill Ricker wrote: >> Under the usual rule-of-thumb, to map what's visible on the ground >> (signed or built), > > Like smoothness=, incline=, etc? Those are simple, measurable things. "illegal use" is not as

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalks as separate ways

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:37 AM, David Paleino wrote: >> One can take exactly the opposite stance, which is that in order to >> help the blind, we should make it as easy as possible to map things >> that they care about. Therefore a sidewalk=yes tag would be the >> fastest way to get the maximum

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalks as separate ways

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 4:15 PM, David Paleino wrote: > Hello everybody, > as promised, I came back with an "official" proposal. > >  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sidewalk_as_separate_way "In particular, for blind people, it's important to have precise information when wal

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalk

On Mar 22, 2011 12:19 PM, "Peter Wendorff" wrote: > > Slightly disagree here: > A sidewalks is a lane for a pedestrian in a low-traffic residential road. > Towards a young child I would define a sidewalk as a way - the child should not cross the street otherwhere than at marked and much as possib

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalk

Blerg. It turns out Chris's mail wasn't off list and neither was mine. Apologies to all. - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalk

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Chris Hill wrote: > On 21/03/11 19:21, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > [...] >> >> I suggested re-opening the sidewalk proposal because I have a specific >> need for this data and would like to use official, rather than >> unofficial tags.

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalk

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:18 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > In all cases where the sidewalk is not perfectly parallel, or where > you want to add barriers between the sidewalk and the road, you will > in any case have to move to the other scheme. > > IMHO explicit sidewalks have the huge benefi

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalk

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Josh Doe wrote: > Serge, > I think we're really talking about two proposals here, both of which > have merit. The linked proposal has been around for a while, and > involves tagging the road to indicate the presence of a sidewalk walk > on one or both sides of the

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalk

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM, David Paleino wrote: > Since "my" proposal was the one most agreed on, why can't you just start using > the tags/way-of-mapping in my page? :) David, I suggested re-opening the sidewalk proposal because I have a specific need for this data and would like to use

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Sidewalk

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:35 PM, David Paleino wrote: > On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:29:28 +0100, David Paleino wrote: > >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:17:10 -0400, Serge Wroclawski wrote: >> >> > As per the discussion last week about Sidewalks, I'm re-opening t

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