On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Chris Hill <o...@raggedred.net> wrote: > On 21/03/11 19:21, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > [...] >> >> I suggested re-opening the sidewalk proposal because I have a specific >> need for this data and would like to use official, rather than >> unofficial tags. > > [deliberately off list to keep the noise down] > Serge, > There are, never have been and probably never will be official tags. Anyone > can use any tag at any time for any purpose. It follows that there are no > unofficial tags either.
That's partially true- it's true we have no official tags, but it's also true that the tags which are approved are the ones which get rendered, and the ones who people write software against. > The proposal process uses a voting system which makes people feel that they > have some kind of official status and this is fundamentally wrong. It leads > to people running bots to 'correct' tagging to the 'standard' or 'official' > version when no such thing exists. Also just because 6 people voted for a > tag means they think it MUST be rendered or MUST be supported by editors or > MUST be used buy routers. I'm of two minds on this, so please tell me why this is a bad thing in your mind? > Many people just don't get this but it is the greatest strength of OSM. If > you need 'official' tags then you can never something novel to OSM until a > new tag has been authorised. > > BTW, just who should police these tags? > > Please discuss tags, please document the tags that are used, but please > don't assume that the stupid, broken voting system somehow makes tags > official and more useful. I'll admit I'm a bit frustrated because I have a very pragmatic problem to solve and have spent several weeks trying to make practical tools to solve it, and I feel David wants something else entirely and is suffering from a bit of NIH syndrome, and Josh (who I think is actually local to me) doesn't see what I'm doing because I haven't announced it yet. But maybe you'll have some feedback... Go to http://mappingdc.emacsen.net/pl2/ and what you /should/ (hopefully) see is a map of DC, and you can select DC SIdewalks as a background. That's real DC sidewalk polygon data. But it's too complex. I'd like to attach those as information about the streets. Also if you look at the stylesheets, you'll see Pedestrian Wireframe- that's a style I've created that highlights sidewalk data, missing sidewalk data, and highway=footway. In other words, I'm trying to make it as simple as possible to get this data in OSM, without an import. - Serge _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
