Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

Mateusz wrote: "Both methods are not very easy but are necessary very rarely and it allows to avoid problematic "half of tags is here, half in this relation" that is highly problematic for mappers" I realize it can be done this way but it's a ton of work (quote: not very easy) compared to making

Re: [Tagging] tagging for an office of the local representative to parliament

Paul, as Deep Throat told Bob Woodward, "Follow the money."  Who pays the rent on the office and who pays the salary of the occupant?  If the filthy lucre comes out of the government budget, and the office is used by someone drawing a government salary (as all executives, legislators, and judges do

Re: [Tagging] tagging for an office of the local representative to parliament

He is still a government official, is drawing a government salary, and the office rent is paid for out of the government budget.  It isn't his personal office for which he is paying out of his own pocket.  Political parties don't pay for office expenses of members of Parliament or other legislatur

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - emergency=fire_alarm_box

On 04/11/18 12:12, Stefano Maffulli wrote: On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 5:33 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com>> wrote: Do we also use this tag to tag the "In case of fire, break glass" alarms eg https://goo.gl/images/4qVSgc, that are found throughout public access buildi

Re: [Tagging] tagging for an office of the local representative to parliament

On 04/11/18 11:17, Allan Mustard wrote: Top-level tag IMHO would be office=government, then additional tag would be government=legislature. The three branches of government are the executive, the legislative, and the judicial branches. Errr...  this is not to map the executive, the legi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - emergency=fire_alarm_box

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 5:33 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Do we also use this tag to tag the "In case of fire, break glass" alarms > eg https://goo.gl/images/4qVSgc, that are found throughout public access > buildings eg hospitals, high rise offices, hotels, universities etc? > IMO to add those

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - emergency=fire_alarm_box

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 at 09:44, Stefano Maffulli wrote: > These are to call the fire department only. > Do we also use this tag to tag the "In case of fire, break glass" alarms eg https://goo.gl/images/4qVSgc, that are found throughout public access buildings eg hospitals, high rise offices, hotels

Re: [Tagging] tagging for an office of the local representative to parliament

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 12:10 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Question though (more for someone in Europe) - is a "Member of the > European Parliament" elected, or just appointed by their home country? Are > they a "politician" as such? > Elected. They don't serve any useful purpose since the EU

Re: [Tagging] tagging for an office of the local representative to parliament

Top-level tag IMHO would be office=government, then additional tag would be government=legislature. The three branches of government are the executive, the legislative, and the judicial branches. On 11/4/2018 5:08 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 at 07:05, Warin <61sundow...@

Re: [Tagging] tagging for an office of the local representative to parliament

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 at 07:05, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > It's going to take some careful thought, and many postings here, to come > up with a scheme > with sensible terminology that works for all those situations. > > To me these are all 'politicians' or at least serve a political role

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - emergency=fire_alarm_box

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:00 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > is this intended only for those alarm boxes that directly notify a fire > department or would those for local systems count as well (e.g. ring an > alarm bell)? > These are to call the fire department only. _

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

You are right, for the concrete case of De Lijn it will be better to link to their realtime data from the stops and add a url to the route relations for the timetables. I'm merely using these as a test case, a proof of concept. I'm not planning to add all of them. I think it does make sense for the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - emergency=fire_alarm_box

sent from a phone > On 3. Nov 2018, at 21:37, Stefano Maffulli wrote: > > Add a tag for fire alarm call boxes. A fire alarm box, fire alarm call box, > or fire alarm pull box is a device used for notifying a fire department of a > fire. Typically installed on street corners or in buildings.

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

sent from a phone > On 3. Nov 2018, at 16:24, Leif Rasmussen <354...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Polyglot: > I think that having a timetable relation for each stop is less complicated > than having one per route. In Rome there are no timetables for bus stops, there are theoretical departure times

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

Considering De Lijn may share their data as GTFS, isn’t it a better effort to integrate instead of duplicate existing data? https://www.delijn.be/en/zakelijk-aanbod/reisinfodata/gebruik-onze-data.html___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org ht

Re: [Tagging] RfC - tagging whatever power line is isolated as attribute

On 04/11/18 06:45, Paul Allen wrote: On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 7:34 PM Mateusz Konieczny mailto:matkoni...@tutanota.com>> wrote: Thanks! It was intended to be about insulation. It now makes a lot more sense.  However, the word "isolated" is present twice in the rationale. You probably oug

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

I'm mostly experimenting to figure out what can work. My initial though was a relation per route/stop pair, but that means a lot of relations. Then I was thinking: it would be nice to have an idea about the approximate time to get to the next stop, which led to what I did now. Taking that idea a bi

Re: [Tagging] tagging for an office of the local representative to parliament

On 04/11/18 01:41, Paul Allen wrote: On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 3:29 AM Allan Mustard > wrote: Hmmm. Reaching back to my bachelor's degree in political science, Parliament is also a government body, the legislative branch of the government, so even a member of

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - emergency=fire_alarm_box

hello folks, first RFC here! Proposal to add a tag to map "A device put on public land used for notifying a fire department of a fire." Full proposal here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/fire_alarm_box Add a tag for fire alarm call boxes. A fire alarm box, fire alarm call

Re: [Tagging] RfC - tagging whatever power line is isolated as attribute

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 7:34 PM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Thanks! It was intended to be about insulation. > It now makes a lot more sense. However, the word "isolated" is present twice in the rationale. You probably ought to mention something that was brought up on this list: that some power l

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

3. Nov 2018 14:43 by daveswarth...@gmail.com : > (> BOLD TEXT> is my addition) This is exactly what I've been saying> . > Member ways should be untagged unless they have a separate meaning on their > own. > > There you have it. It's a logical system of tagging

Re: [Tagging] RfC - tagging whatever power line is isolated as attribute

Thanks! It was intended to be about insulation. Page is now https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/insulated Thanks again! 3. Nov 2018 15:21 by pla16...@gmail.com : > On Sat, Nov 3, 201

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

Polyglot: I think that having a timetable relation for each stop is less complicated than having one per route. There are several advantages to this: 1) People can easily add a single relation at a time, rather than having to do the entire line at one time. This could make it much easier to, for

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

I probably should make a clarification about what I mean about "logically belonging" to the relation. On a road route, it wouldn't make sense to put 'lanes=2' or 'surface=concrete' on a road route, even if all the component ways happen to have that characteristic. There's nothing to keep the highw

Re: [Tagging] tagging for an office of the local representative to parliament

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 3:29 AM Allan Mustard wrote: > Hmmm. Reaching back to my bachelor's degree in political science, > Parliament is also a government body, the legislative branch of the > government, so even a member of the opposition is part of "government" in > its broadest sense. I would

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 9:45 AM Dave Swarthout wrote: > (*BOLD TEXT* is my addition) This is exactly what I've been saying*. > Member ways should be untagged unless they have a separate meaning on their > own. * > > There you have it. It's a logical system of tagging and makes perfect > sense both

Re: [Tagging] RfC - tagging whatever power line is isolated as attribute

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 10:17 AM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I created https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/isolated > to > with intention of allowing mappers not interested in extreme detail of > power networks > to allow ignoring this detail in case of isolation of power lines. >

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

I have been using commas between the times, maybe semicolon would be better (not for readability though). Op za 3 nov. 2018 om 14:01 schreef djakk djakk : > Maybe we can put that optional piece of information inside the departures > key : departures=7:40,7:45 ; 8:40,8:45 -> means the train or the

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

I created a few more for a more 'complicated' line, which changes in length. Normal northbound: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8886015 Shortened northbound: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8886014 I used the same route relation twice, because for telescopic lines I only mapped the

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

I've been saying that I believe tagging that applies to an entire relation should be placed ONLY on the relation and NOT on the individual ways, UNLESS, there is some characteristic of the way that requires different tagging. I gave examples using the Trans Alaska Pipeline but this reasoning extend

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

Maybe we can put that optional piece of information inside the departures key : departures=7:40,7:45 ; 8:40,8:45 -> means the train or the bus arrives at the stop at 7:40 or 8:40 and leaves 5 minutes later. Arrival and departure time are separated by a comma, and different departures are separated

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

For buses it's exceptional they stay at a stop longer than strictly necessary, so I think the arrival times should be optional. If the tag is added, it should have the same amount of entries as the departures though. Sometimes I do see buses that 'linger' at stops, but that's usually because they

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

Jo, I did not try yet, but I think there should be a departure timetable AND an arrival timetable (trains often stop several minutes). And this, per stop. The mapper sees a timetable at a bus stop, he puts it directly into a relation associating the bus stop and the route. This enables to partiall

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

I took it from the official timetables and generally this line doesn't suffer too much from congestion. But yes. If the timetable shows bigger variation in delay between stops over the day, then another method would be necessary. Obviously this is what the operator plans to happen. In practice bus

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

3. Nov 2018 11:30 by davefoxfa...@btinternet.com : > Duplication of data leads to confusion, wasted time & errors. > Please refrain from mapping in this way. Please refrain from demanding that other stop mapping in way that is commonly accepted. S

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

3. Nov 2018 00:00 by daveswarth...@gmail.com : > To make matters worse, let's just say you misspelled the Wikipedia tag value. > You meant to write "wikipedia=en:Trans-Alaska Pipeline System" but forgot to > include the "en:" prefix. Back you go to your editor, e

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

Hi On 02/11/2018 01:43, Allan Mustard wrote: I don't see a problem with duplicating a tag in both the relation and sections of the object.  In my case I have been mapping the national highway network of Turkmenistan the last few months.  I have created relations so that all segments belong t

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

So this assumes that bus travels for the same time between stops both during night andduring rush hour? 3. Nov 2018 11:19 by winfi...@gmail.com : > When done this way, the departures in the tags are for the stop with role > 00:00. > Jo > Op za 3 nov. 2018 om 11:09 sc

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

When done this way, the departures in the tags are for the stop with role 00:00. Jo Op za 3 nov. 2018 om 11:09 schreef Jo : > Hi, > > I'm looking into this timetable relation and how it could be implemented: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8885374/history > > This is for a simple line

[Tagging] RfC - tagging whatever power line is isolated as attribute

I created https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/isolated to with intention of allowing mappers not interested in extreme detail of power networksto allow ignoring this detail in case of isolation of power lines. Fe

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

Hi, I'm looking into this timetable relation and how it could be implemented: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8885374/history This is for a simple line... I added all the stops of the route relation and added the most common times to get from one to the next. I realise things can get eve

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

3. Nov 2018 05:55 by djakk.dj...@gmail.com : > I do not see why timetables are hard to maintain ? Most bus lines do not > change their schedules for years (even in big cities, Paris for example).   In my city (Kraków, Poland) schedules are changed multiple times

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

On 03/11/2018 04:55, djakk djakk wrote: I do not see why timetables are hard to maintain ? Most bus lines do not change their schedules for years (even in big cities, Paris for example). Because changing the schedule means buy a new bus and hire new drivers. OSM has been described as a "do