[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

First of all, big thanks to all discussants who have pitched ideas and asked probing questions--I think we are moving toward a more elegant solution than what I originally proposed. As of 28 October 2018, one week into the RFC, here is where I think we are (stay tuned for further developments, fil

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

I'm not philosophically opposed to diplomatic=* as a primary tag.  I am merely concerned about the mechanics of doing that, and how it would affect rendering, etc., since it is currently a secondary tag and would not render if "promoted" to primary tag status, at least until some volunteers who kno

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

No response to date to my requests.  No approval, no response, just silence, and widespread utilization of MAPS.ME on smartphones. On 10/28/2018 10:07 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 15:02, Allan Mustard > wrote: > > Old news.  I've been ac

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 15:02, Allan Mustard wrote: > Old news. I've been accused of that for years. But numerous Turkmen > government officials have MAPS.ME on their smartphones, and the mayor of > Ashgabat has a copy of the wall map we produce in his office. > So can we take it that you don't

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

Old news.  I've been accused of that for years.  But numerous Turkmen government officials have MAPS.ME on their smartphones, and the mayor of Ashgabat has a copy of the wall map we produce in his office. On 10/28/2018 7:24 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 20:00, Eugene Alvin

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

Embassies and consulates are not open to the public, either. You have to make appointments for visa interviews, notarials, passport applications, business counseling, pretty much any service. The lone exception in Ashgabat is the OSM mapper who drops by to share something with the ambassador and

Re: [Tagging] Types of cranes?

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 10:14, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Mobile or temporary construction cranes are not supposed to be mapped. > When we see cranes on high-rise construction sites eg https://goo.gl/images/FWTDo1, they can be in place, moving higher up the building as work progresses, for a yea

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 20:00, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > I can already see the BuzzFeed headline: "U.S. envoy to Turkmenistan > admits Americans have diplomatic relations with Taiwan". > > BTW, for other people on this thread who are not aware: yes, Allan, the > U.S. ambassador to Turkmenistan

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 03:12, Paul Allen wrote: > As far as the carto side goes, I saw an old youtube video on the subject > which > seemed to imply that adding anything in any manner could have drastic > effects on rendering time, so I > don't know which approach would be better for that. > Bu

Re: [Tagging] Wastewater Plants

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 01:53, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > I think it's okay to call them basins, isn't it? > I would actually call them tanks rather than basins > (I know that there is man_made=storage_tank, but these tanks are for > treating waste > water, not for storing them.) When you look

[Tagging] Types of cranes?

There are a number of types of cranes subtagged with crane:type= The most common are crane:type=portal_crane 900 crane:type=Container_crane 474 crane:type=Gantry_crane 282 crane:type=Travellift=231 Also, the wiki page mention: floor-mounted_crane travel_lift Mobile or temporary construction cran

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 21:24, bkil wrote: > > crossing=uncontrolled had just this meaning - not controlled or > arranged by any device but instead always negotiated in situ between > traffic participants. [...] > > It should definitely not be understood as a synonym for "unmarked". > I'll try to c

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:50 PM Allan Mustard wrote: >From where I sit (literally!), as a bureaucrat who spends many hours most > days in an office, that tag fits diplomatic functions more closely than any > other tag I've encountered so far > The rest of us are merely speculating based upon how

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Document & distill pedestrian crossing tag hierarchy (via: 2 meaning for crossing=zebra)

Shouldn’t the proposal indicate on which node or way the tags are set in various use cases? Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 27 okt. 2018 om 21:26 heeft bkil het volgende > geschreven: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposals/Document_pedestrian_crossing_hierarchy > > Previous comments avai

Re: [Tagging] Wastewater Plants

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 08:20:03 -0700 Clifford Snow wrote: > On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 6:05 AM Paul Allen wrote: > > > > > It has the disadvantage that it doesn't make sense. At least not > > to me, as a native speaker of > > British English (which is the normal language for defining OSM > > tags)

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

Le 27. 10. 18 à 19:11, Paul Allen a écrit : > I wouldn't vote against office=diplomatic, I just hope > something better turns up before the vote. I have the same feeling and I see two inconsistencies. private company offices are generally spaces that are not open to the public (you must make an

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Document & distill pedestrian crossing tag hierarchy (via: 2 meaning for crossing=zebra)

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposals/Document_pedestrian_crossing_hierarchy Previous comments available here: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-October/040232.html ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

Hungarian rules are similar to what Jyri-Petteri Paloposki described above (traffic light + vertical sign + road stripes + stop/give_way can be present for the same crossing). We have an extra twist, in that bicycles at crossings generally do not have precedence. Priority here is similar to what M

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

Ahh, but an office does so much more than paperwork.  An office houses officials (of the government, of NGOs, of companies and corporations, of a motion picture studio, a military commander, a food processor, the list goes on and on).  It is not all paperwork.  Some of it is actually fun. >From wh

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

Maybe we should inspire us from the power=* scheme and using a telecom tagging like (i'm looking to the idea of "power=pole" compared to power=tower) : - Keeping the tagging as a man_made=tower (or other suitable tag) for big tower (like Eiffel tower) that have other purpose, and only tag the tele

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 5:38 PM Allan Mustard wrote: Given the effort required to create a new main key, and the split in > opinions whether diplomatic=* should be a new main key, I am leaning toward > office=diplomatic, diplomatic=[embassy, consulate, other] as a happy medium. > >From my happy

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

I agree.  Keep it to three: [embassy, consulate, other].  If the mapper doesn't know, he can check the Ministry of Foreign Affairs website.  The information will typically be there. apm-wa On 10/27/2018 9:20 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 27.10.2018 11:57, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >> Ta

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

Paul, et al, FYI new embassy compounds under construction around the world typically include both office space and residences for some of the personnel.  The new Saudi complex in Ashgabat, the Chinese, Belarus and Russian embassies in Ashgabat, and the American complex under construction here all

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

Hi, On 27.10.2018 11:57, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > Tagging something as office=diplomatic then diplomatic=non-diplomatic > sounds silly and oxymoronic. Why not simply diplomatic=other? Also we > should allow diplomatic=yes if the mapper doesn't know the exact type. > Therefore diplomatic=[embas

Re: [Tagging] Wastewater Plants

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 15:06, Paul Allen wrote: > > It has the disadvantage that it doesn't make sense. At least not to me, as a > native speaker of > British English (which is the normal language for defining OSM tags) and as > somebody who > doesn't work in sanitation. Maybe a British sanita

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

On 27 October 2018 16:17:09 BST, Johnparis wrote: >I was waiting for Martin to weigh in on the amenity vs. office >question. > >To me, a consulate falls squarely within the definition of amenity. It >certainly serves "tourists" (including expats/foreigners/etc.). When I >am >visiting a new count

Re: [Tagging] Wastewater Plants

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 7:46 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Would you also change the main man_made=wastewater_plant listing? > > Maybe wastewater=plant / facility? > > If we man_made=wastewater_plant didn't exist, then I would propose a new key of wastewater=* similar to the power=*. At this

Re: [Tagging] Wastewater Plants

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 6:05 AM Paul Allen wrote: > > It has the disadvantage that it doesn't make sense. At least not to me, > as a native speaker of > British English (which is the normal language for defining OSM tags) and > as somebody who > doesn't work in sanitation. Maybe a British sanit

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

I was waiting for Martin to weigh in on the amenity vs. office question. To me, a consulate falls squarely within the definition of amenity. It certainly serves "tourists" (including expats/foreigners/etc.). When I am visiting a new country, my country's consulate is one of the most important plac

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

sent from a phone > On 27. Oct 2018, at 06:50, Allan Mustard wrote: > > So here is where I sense we are 24 hours later, on Day 6: > a) consulates are not embassies; > b) neither embassies nor consulates are amenities; > c) embassies and consulates are government offices, but there is a trend

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

26. Oct 2018 12:44 by t.pfei...@computer.org : > On 26.10.2018 09:28, SelfishSeahorse wrote: >> What about tagging the presence or absence of traffic signals with a >> subkey, e.g. crossing:traffic_signals=yes/no? > > Why should we invent a new subtagging scheme whe

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

26. Oct 2018 21:53 by dan...@xn--ko-wla.pl : > Historically the problem is lack of experience with moving to new, > better defined and more rich schemes in OSM Carto (like public_transport > or healthcare). The excuse was a written rule to "prevent u

Re: [Tagging] unmarked crossing, tactile paving, lowered kerbs / was: 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 9:29 AM SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > Note that similar unmarked crossings with lowered kerbs are also > common in Europe, e.g. see: > > UK: https://goo.gl/maps/uYcJsED8QLr > Those are very common in my (small) town, except that only two of them have traffic islands. The tra

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 5:52 AM Allan Mustard wrote: [Good stuff, almost all of which I agree with] If we want to split hairs, we can point out that "embassy" is technically > an incorrect term for any building since an "embassy" consists solely of > people assigned to conduct diplomatic relatio

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

26. Oct 2018 21:27 by al...@mustard.net : > > Regarding the question of using office=* as the primary key or > diplomatic=* I note that the Key:diplomatic wiki article admonishes: > >> >> Note >> Do not use diplomatic=* without ame

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

26. Oct 2018 16:24 by dieterdre...@gmail.com : > I acknowledge the American situation is very different to the European > because over here there’s no concept like jaywalking, so for Europe I must > agree with Tom: without any markings and signs it seems arbitrary

Re: [Tagging] Wastewater Plants

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 8:28 AM SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > Another idea i see is to extend the current tagging scheme with > landuse=basin (+ content=sewage) by creating new basin=* values > basin=clarifier and basin=digester. This would have the advantage that > no retagging is required and peop

Re: [Tagging] unmarked crossing, tactile paving, lowered kerbs / was: 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

I would be happy to make research from Poland. OSM wiki is likely the best place - please post a link once you create it and describe the situation in your country! 27. Oct 2018 08:21 by yopaseo...@gmail.com : > It could be interesting to every people of every sy

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

Yes, it is silly and oxymoronic, but so are "non-papers" (a paper that is not a paper), something we diplomats use pretty often.  The problem with calling AIT and TECRO embassies has naught to do with my status as a U.S. diplomat.  It is that they are not embassies in terms of the Vienna Conventio

Re: [Tagging] unmarked crossing, tactile paving, lowered kerbs / was: 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

IMO, Absence of an implied barrier (kerb) does not make it a special type of crossing. If the footpath is explicitly mapped over the crossroad and there is a barrier for wheelchairs etc, I would expect to tag the barrier itself, or the linking node, or the road section of the footpath for wheelc

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 12:52 PM Allan Mustard wrote: > If my sense of growing consensus is correct, I suggest that diplomatic=* > would include only [embassy, consulate, non-diplomatic]. > Tagging something as office=diplomatic then diplomatic=non-diplomatic sounds silly and oxymoronic. Why not

Re: [Tagging] unmarked crossing, tactile paving, lowered kerbs / was: 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 07:27, yo paseopor wrote: > > For me it is an unmarked cross . I think it is very common in the USA. May we > have to ask ourselves in every land how the local administration deal with > putting crossings in our streets. I think the way it is done in Europe and in > the U

Re: [Tagging] Wastewater Plants

On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 19:23, Clifford Snow wrote: > > For tagging, I'd to suggest the two tags. > man_made=clarifier (used 28 times) > man_made=digester (anaerobic used 3 times, including one misspelling) Another idea i see is to extend the current tagging scheme with landuse=basin (+ content=se