Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

2018-09-28 Thread yves
Le 29. 09. 18 à 00:53, Dave Swarthout a écrit waterway=river name=Tanana River waterway=section section=bend section:name=Harper Bend You can't use waterway=section + waterway=river on the same way, and you shouldn't map overlapping ways for obvious reasons. But you can split a waterway=river

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

2018-09-28 Thread yves
Although the whitewater proposal is here for a long time, and it being the only documented way to tag kayaking/canoe practise on whitewater, it is seldom used. Probably there is simply not enough people interested in those sports and Openstreetmap at the same time. Maybe in a few years there wil

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

2018-09-28 Thread Dave Swarthout
@Joseph, >I suppose section=* with railway=* can be treated differently than section=* with waterway=section, but it’s not ideaI On second thought, I agree, it's probably not a big issue. >These proposals all appear to keep one way for the waterway=river, with the way split for each long section

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

2018-09-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I suppose section=* with railway=* can be treated differently than section=* with waterway=section, but it’s not ideal. I spent some time looking at the whitewater proposals, which introduced tags for whitewater:section_name and whitewater:rapid_name, in addition to whitewater grades for rapids an

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

2018-09-28 Thread Dave Swarthout
One other thing about the section key I just learned from Taginfo. Although undocumented it has had some use already to describe sections of a railway. So maybe we need to make it easier to distinguish between those uses? Or maybe not. On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 5:53 AM Dave Swarthout wrote: > I

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

2018-09-28 Thread Dave Swarthout
It appears I was too hasty about dismissing the reach argument. Yes, that makes sense Colin. And Joseph's suggestion to make it more general sounds good too. I think the name part needs to be set up to distinguish the name of the bend or reach from that of the river because both are valid for any s

[Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-28 Thread Michael Booth
Hi, I opened an issue on the rendering of man_made=communications_tower on the standard layer over on OSM-carto: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3414 and think there should be a discussion about the tagging as well. The Wiki definition is: *"**a huge tower for tran

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

2018-09-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Do canals have named sections? Waterway=section would work for canals too, if there are such a thing as canal reaches or sections or bends On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 5:32 AM Colin Smale wrote: > On 2018-09-28 07:37, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > The discussion about the definition of "reach" is intere

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

2018-09-28 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 06:32, Colin Smale wrote: > The point of raising the "reach" business it to help abstracting the > proposed tagging model to make it more generic. If we consolidate all the > thoughts expressed so far, we can say that: > * there can be contiguous linear sections of a river

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

2018-09-28 Thread Philip Barnes
On 28 September 2018 22:14:03 BST, Simon Poole wrote: > > >Am 28.09.2018 um 18:07 schrieb Bryan Housel: >>> I actually mentioned the issue in Milano.  >>> >>> Essentially `traffic_sign`, `traffic_sign:forward` and >>> `traffic_sign:backward` need to be treated as "object" tags as >things >>> are

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

2018-09-28 Thread Simon Poole
Am 28.09.2018 um 18:07 schrieb Bryan Housel: >> I actually mentioned the issue in Milano.  >> >> Essentially `traffic_sign`, `traffic_sign:forward` and >> `traffic_sign:backward` need to be treated as "object" tags as things >> are now. >> > Let’s just do `traffic_sign=*` and consider the others

[Tagging] hydrants

2018-09-28 Thread Viking
Hello, I would like to continue with fire hydrants' new tags [1]. Instead of the contested check_date=*, what do you think of working:test_date=* [2] or working_test:date=* [3], both already in use? Which syntax do you prefer? [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Fire_Hydra

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

2018-09-28 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-09-28 07:37, Dave Swarthout wrote: > The discussion about the definition of "reach" is interesting but IMO it's > slightly off topic. Perhaps, because of those differences in its > interpretation, we would be best served by not using the term at all. The point of raising the "reach" bu

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

2018-09-28 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:38 AM Dave Swarthout wrote: > > The discussion about the definition of "reach" is interesting but IMO it's > slightly off topic. Perhaps, because of those differences in its > interpretation, we would be best served by not using the term at all. Except that I would li

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

2018-09-28 Thread Johnparis
Thank you for this, Bryan. One small favor: could you add a "Change direction" button like you have for one-way streets? It makes it much easier if I guess wrong :) On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 6:58 PM Philip Barnes wrote: > > > On 28 September 2018 17:31:18 BST, Kevin Kenny > wrote: > >On Fri, Se

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

2018-09-28 Thread Philip Barnes
On 28 September 2018 17:31:18 BST, Kevin Kenny wrote: >On Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 5:34 AM Marc Gemis wrote: > >> I still highway=give_way and highway=stop with >> direction=forward/backward (which is used by OsmAnd AFAIK). > > >Me, too - I went around my neighbourhood last year adding them. OSMand >

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

2018-09-28 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 5:34 AM Marc Gemis wrote: > I still highway=give_way and highway=stop with > direction=forward/backward (which is used by OsmAnd AFAIK). Me, too - I went around my neighbourhood last year adding them. OSMand does indeed recognize them. Describing what a driver might see w

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

2018-09-28 Thread Bryan Housel
> I actually mentioned the issue in Milano. > Essentially `traffic_sign`, `traffic_sign:forward` and > `traffic_sign:backward` need to be treated as "object" tags as things are now. > Let’s just do `traffic_sign=*` and consider the others an unfortunate mistake that can go away. > See pages 2

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

2018-09-28 Thread Simon Poole
I actually mentioned the issue in Milano. Essentially traffic_sign, traffic_sign:forward and traffic_sign:backward need to be treated as "object" tags as things are now. See pages 29 and 30 https://drive.google.com/open?id=1LVmZIaEvd1K7mYVqDLnrhC5-jHLHy0lQ And I should note that iD has "plot" as

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

2018-09-28 Thread Marc Gemis
I still highway=give_way and highway=stop with direction=forward/backward (which is used by OsmAnd AFAIK). On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:26 AM Anton Klim wrote: > > Missed the point when direction= suddenly became a no go for traffic sign > mapping. > > > 28.09.2018, в 3:51, Bryan Housel написал(а):

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

2018-09-28 Thread Tobias Wrede
Am 28.09.2018 um 03:06 schrieb Dave Swarthout: @Joseph - I wanted to avoid using that particular top-level tag, waterway, because there would be no simple way to add a name different from that of the waterway=river itself. Unless we invent a new tag something like name:bend=Harper Bend. The k

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

2018-09-28 Thread Anton Klim
Missed the point when direction= suddenly became a no go for traffic sign mapping. 28.09.2018, в 3:51, Bryan Housel написал(а): > Hey Tagging List! > > While reviewing a pull request to add Traffic Sign presets to iD, I came > across a tagging issue with how traffic sign directions are tagg